All Encompassing Tortorella..ella..ella..eh..eh...and Glen Cigar Thread Part III

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

13 now, not 20? Neil Smith.

but I thought the only 2 things you liked about this team were Torts and Boyle?

You also apparently think Sather has done a good job, and needs to totally revamp the coaching staff and roster....again.

That gives everyone a pretty good idea regarding your thinking.

 

[Ail]

at some point you have to start to look at your coaching staff and the players.

you can't blame the architect when the forman and his electricians burned the building down...

I think the coaching staff and players have been looked at maybe just a few times during the tenure of Glen "The Wizard" Sather.

If only he had the same magic in finding a coaching staff and free agents he does in trades! We'd be a dynasty.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I think the coaching staff and players have been looked at maybe just a few times during the tenure of Glen "The Wizard" Sather.

If only he had the same magic in finding a coaching staff and free agents he does in trades! We'd be a dynasty.

Yeah, it's been 13 years. The only player on the roster in 2006 that is here now is Lundqvist.

He's gone through coaches, he's recycled through rosters (look at the changes between 2008 and now), and yet the end result has been the same - mediocrity, for all but one, one season.

He needs to go. It cannot be overstated. This franchise will not take the next step until he is gone.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Slats is not the problem. He goes out and gets the players many fans ask for. We have had a good group of prospects the last 5 years. Most coaches would love to have the talent this team has.

 

[Kershaw]

I think the coaching staff and players have been looked at maybe just a few times during the tenure of Glen "The Wizard" Sather.

If only he had the same magic in finding a coaching staff and free agents he does in trades! We'd be a dynasty.

I am oozing with so much confidence in this management/ownership group.

 

[Bluenote13]

Slats is not the problem. He goes out and gets the players many fans ask for. We have had a good group of prospects the last 5 years. Most coaches would love to have the talent this team has.

I don't want a GM who caters to the fans, recipe for disaster right there.

We do have a good group of prospects. That 'good' should be great after 13 years and two rebuilds, this last one 5 years to assemble some players that at least provide some depth from the farm. They're not ready.

Most coaches would love a bunch of playoff team rosters, I'm sure the Rangers would not even crack the top ten, unless one coach just loves that Swedish tender. The biggest allure to our lineup is still the guy Sather really had nothing to do with selecting.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Slats is not the problem. He goes out and gets the players many fans ask for. We have had a good group of prospects the last 5 years. Most coaches would love to have the talent this team has.

I dont want the GM to "get the players many fans ask for." I want the GM of the Rangers to be worthy of the position, and make the right hockey decisions, not the most popular.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I don't want a GM who caters to the fans, recipe for disaster right there.

We do have a good group of prospects. That 'good' should be great after 13 years and two rebuilds, this last one 5 years to assemble some players that at least provide some depth from the farm. They're not ready.

Most coaches would love a bunch of playoff team rosters, I'm sure the Rangers would not even crack the top ten, unless one coach just loves that Swedish tender. The biggest allure to our lineup is still the guy Sather really had nothing to do with selecting.

I dont want the GM to "get the players many fans ask for." I want the GM of the Rangers to be worthy of the position, and make the right hockey decisions, not the most popular.

He doesn't get them because fans on these boards want them. He gets them because many people at that time think they are good pickups.

I remember many fans and media people were very happy to get Gabs, Brad and Nash. Ditto Clowe last month.

 

[Bluenote13]

He doesn't get them because fans on these boards want them. He gets them because many people at that time think they are good pickups.

I remember many fans and media people were very happy to get Gabs, Brad and Nash. Ditto Clowe last month.

Maybe you don't remember people getting giddy over Drury and Gomez? And a whole lot of names I don't care to get into. Point is, the good ones have not been the norm, they've been rare under the Sather signing disaster years.

 

[SA16]

Maybe you don't remember people getting giddy over Drury and Gomez? And a whole lot of names I don't care to get into. Point is, the good ones have not been the norm, they've been rare under the Sather signing disaster years.

Not Sather's fault. Lots of teams were interested in Gomez/Drury/Briere that offseason. It's not like he went completely crazy over guys nobody else wanted. It didn't work out. It happens.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Not Sather's fault. Lots of teams were interested in Gomez/Drury/Briere that offseason. It's not like he went completely crazy over guys nobody else wanted. It didn't work out. It happens.

No, he just paid them completely crazy. Are you interested in paying for a Mercedes-priced Honda Civic?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Maybe you don't remember people getting giddy over Drury and Gomez? And a whole lot of names I don't care to get into. Point is, the good ones have not been the norm, they've been rare under the Sather signing disaster years.

I was for Gomer and not for Drury. Many talking heads picked us to win the Cup that year so the conventional wisdom was that they were good signings at the time. Obviously the Gomer signing worked out great and the Drury signing did not.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Not Sather's fault. Lots of teams were interested in Gomez/Drury/Briere that offseason. It's not like he went completely crazy over guys nobody else wanted. It didn't work out. It happens.

Any decent hockey mind could have told you that:

- Drury wasn't worth $7.5M, and, ideally, he wasn't a 2C on a contending team
- Gomez wasn't worth $7.3M, and, ideally he wasn't a 1C, or even a 2C, on a contending team

It was a huge blunder. Sather managed to worm his way out of these contracts, but it took him time and money to do so, and it also took away open roster spots for players that might have been more deserving.

 

[JohnC]

Just because a mistake was fixed it doesn't make it okay that it was made in the first place

 

[NickyFotiu]

Signing Gomez led to all star game for Gomez then two 40goal seasons by Gaborik plus McD plus Brass plus Moore. That is a success.

 

[Thirty One]

Any decent hockey mind could have told you that:

- Drury wasn't worth $7.5M, and, ideally, he wasn't a 2C on a contending team
- Gomez wasn't worth $7.3M, and, ideally he wasn't a 1C, or even a 2C, on a contending team

It was a huge blunder. Sather managed to worm his way out of these contracts, but it took him time and money to do so, and it also took away open roster spots for players that might have been more deserving.

At the time they were signed?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

At the time they were signed?

Yes.

The stats were misleading. Gomez was sheltered with the Devils, and he, simply, wasn't a very effective player. Drury was a prime PP producer on arguably the best offensive team in the league. Drury was always a good 2c and great 3c, most certainly not worth the $7.5M he was given.

 

[SA16]

That's how the free agent market works. Plenty of other teams were interested in them and made similar offers. You have to slightly beat those competing offers in order to get the guy in most cases. In that way every good FA is going to be overpaid. Real high demand and real low supply.

You can blame Sather but put any other GM in his spot as GM of one of the highest spending teams in the league with lots of cap room and they would be doing the same thing.

 

[Thirty One]

Yes.

The stats were misleading. Gomez was sheltered with the Devils, and he, simply, wasn't a very effective player. Drury was a prime PP producer on arguably the best offensive team in the league. Drury was always a good 2c and great 3c, most certainly not worth the $7.5M he was given.

No one is going to argue that they were worth the money they were given (Drury was $7.05M btw), but I would have no problem with Gomez and Drury as my top 2 centers in 2007.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

No one is going to argue that they were worth the money they were given (Drury was $7.05M btw), but I would have no problem with Gomez and Drury as my top 2 centers in 2007.

Well, I would. They were a 2C and a 3C on their respective teams that year. They weren't put in a position to succeed here, the thought process from Sather was simply wrong on those signings.

 

[RangerBoy]

There have been too many bad contracts in Sather's tenure running the Rangers. Ryane Clowe is the next bad contract if the Rangers come close to meeting his terms. The Rangers need a new vision and someone else steering the ship. Sather will be 70 in September.

 

[Thirty One]

There have been too many bad contracts in Sather's tenure running the Rangers. Ryane Clowe is the next bad contract if the Rangers come close to meeting his terms. The Rangers need a new vision and someone else steering the ship. Sather will be 70 in September.

He's got 25-30 good years left.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

Slats is not the problem. He goes out and gets the players many fans ask for. We have had a good group of prospects the last 5 years. Most coaches would love to have the talent this team has.

How is he not the problem? It's not like Dolan really cares for us much so Sather is pretty much given free reign to do whatever he wants.

The only thing I'll give him is our solid draft record. Nothing more.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Slats is not the problem. He goes out and gets the players many fans ask for. We have had a good group of prospects the last 5 years. Most coaches would love to have the talent this team has.

If Sather is signing players based on what the fans want, then he is the problem.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

How is he not the problem? It's not like Dolan really cares for us much so Sather is pretty much given free reign to do whatever he wants.

The only thing I'll give him is our solid draft record. Nothing more.

Solid post-lockout, steamrolling towards redundant.