Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part V

[HBK27]

Imagine how sour Vesey will be, if whatever team he decides, feels it makes good hockey sense to trade/waive him at any point (be it poor play, a great trading opportunity, etc). Spends all this time trying to find a place to settle down, in the Northeast close to family, with a good chance at future contracts/stability/longevity... just to get shipped off to California or Arizona or somewhere out West.

Not that I wish any ill will on the guy, good on him for finishing college and seeking out the best team fit... it's his life and career afterall. The thought just amused me.

If he gets waived, any player would be upset regardless of how they got there.

I wondered if the prospect of being traded in a few seasons might be a knock against Chicago or Pittsburgh - the Blackhawks have a recent history of dealing good players to get under the cap and the Penguins are up tight against it right now.

As far as "spends all this time" - it seems likely that he'll make a decision by Friday. 4 days is not much time to meet with at least a half dozen teams and make a decision...especially given there is zero sense of any urgency at this time of the offseason.

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Am I the only one who thinks Kyle Connor shoulda won the Hobey over Vesey?

He 100% should have but I have a biased opinion.

 

[Canada4Gold]

So you're saying that at the time his contract is up he may be able to join a team that is coming out of it's rebuild while getting 2 years to win a Cup instead of two years of basement dwelling? Sounds like a tough choice.

he's RFA when his contract is up, he can't just sign with a contender now and then with a team on the up in 2 years

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Imagine how sour Vesey will be, if whatever team he decides, feels it makes good hockey sense to trade/waive him at any point (be it poor play, a great trading opportunity, etc). Spends all this time trying to find a place to settle down, in the Northeast close to family, with a good chance at future contracts/stability/longevity... just to get shipped off to California or Arizona or somewhere out West.

Not that I wish any ill will on the guy, good on him for finishing college and seeking out the best team fit... it's his life and career afterall. The thought just amused me.

OH GOD! What Calgary d-man did that happen to. I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Edit: Tim Erixon was the dude. Was traded to the Rangers because he didn't want to play for the Flames. Played 18 games there and was then moved to the Blue Jackets. I guess it's not the same actually. I forgot he was traded and didn't go the same route as Vesey.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

people use Ladd as a comparison....

Honest question, Ladd usually has a high hit total every season which is a huge part of his game, so I was wondering if Vesey also has this element to his game?

 

[SUBdrewgANS]

If he gets waived, any player would be upset regardless of how they got there.

I wondered if the prospect of being traded in a few seasons might be a knock against Chicago or Pittsburgh - the Blackhawks have a recent history of dealing good players to get under the cap and the Penguins are up tight against it right now.

As far as "spends all this time" - it seems likely that he'll make a decision by Friday. 4 days is not much time to meet with at least a half dozen teams and make a decision...especially given there is zero sense of any urgency at this time of the offseason.

I'm not sure how it would be a knock on Pittsburgh. I think the Pens are in good shape capwise after this season. Kunitz will be off the books, MAF will likely be traded to avoid the expansion draft depending on how Murray performs over a full season. They have some youth in the pipeline (granted not a ton, but enough).. I don't think he'll be a cap victim for Pitt.. My assessment could be totally off though.. I'm not a cap person.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Imagine how sour Vesey will be, if whatever team he decides, feels it makes good hockey sense to trade/waive him at any point (be it poor play, a great trading opportunity, etc). Spends all this time trying to find a place to settle down, in the Northeast close to family, with a good chance at future contracts/stability/longevity... just to get shipped off to California or Arizona or somewhere out West.

I think every player in the NHL recognizes that until/unless they get to a point where they have enough negotiating power to have a NMC, they are at risk of being traded. And based on interviews I've seen, I think a lot of players find their first trade hard. Part of the business and they know that going in. I'm pretty sure Vesey knows that, if he is a successful NHLr, there are strong chances he'll be on a different team down the road.

Also, as people mature and their life changes, there are different priorities. A single 23 year old has an entirely different set of priorities and needs than a 29 year old married guy with a family so the reasons he's choosing for a team now may not apply down the road.

 

[BatVader]

OH GOD! What Calgary d-man did that happen to. I laughed and laughed and laughed.

Edit: Tim Erixon was the dude. Was traded to the Rangers because he didn't want to play for the Flames. Played 18 games there and was then moved to the Blue Jackets. I guess it's not the same actually. I forgot he was traded and didn't go the same route as Vesey.

Vesey will probably have a NTC in his contract.

 

[Tawnos]

Vesey will probably have a NTC in his contract.

ELCs aren't allowed to have NTCs in them

 

[Dreakon13]

As far as "spends all this time" - it seems likely that he'll make a decision by Friday. 4 days is not much time to meet with at least a half dozen teams and make a decision...especially given there is zero sense of any urgency at this time of the offseason.

It would be silly to think he (or his agent/family) hasn't done any research on teams "situations" prior to August 16th and/or their respective pitches. Especially considering it's apparently important to him.

I think every player in the NHL recognizes that until/unless they get to a point where they have enough negotiating power to have a NMC, they are at risk of being traded. And based on interviews I've seen, I think a lot of players find their first trade hard. Part of the business and they know that going in. I'm pretty sure Vesey knows that, if he is a successful NHLr, there are strong chances he'll be on a different team down the road.

I'm sure that's true... but he's brought a bit of attention to himself because he wanted the opportunity to seek out that perfect fit/situation. I'm not saying that's good or bad... just that it'd be amusing if he were traded out West in half a season, all things considered.

 

[HBK27]

I'm not sure how it would be a knock on Pittsburgh. I think the Pens are in good shape capwise after this season. Kunitz will be off the books, MAF will likely be traded to avoid the expansion draft depending on how Murray performs over a full season. They have some youth in the pipeline (granted not a ton, but enough).. I don't think he'll be a cap victim for Pitt.. My assessment could be totally off though.. I'm not a cap person.

Fair point - maybe not an issue at all with Pittsburgh.

 

[HBK27]

It would be silly to think he (or his agent/family) hasn't done any research on teams "situations" prior to August 16th. Especially considering it's apparently important to him.

Of course they did research of each team's situations - but you still meet with the teams for a reason. Aside from selling Vesey on the team, I'm sure they also communicate what his role would likely be. Either way, he's getting new information from these team meetings that have to be considered.

4 days to process all this stuff and make a huge career decision is nothing.

There are no camps going on anyway, so taking a couple of days to decide is the logical thing to do.

 

[TedBulley]

Per Mark Driver

Jimmy Vesey & his agents scheduled to meet with Chicago, Rangers, Bruins today, per source.

 

[Ragamuffin Gunner]

he's RFA when his contract is up, he can't just sign with a contender now and then with a team on the up in 2 years

He'll be a UFA in 4 years IIRC, which would be the end of his 2nd contract. 4 shots at winning a Cup with PIT or CHI or 4 shouts at landing the 1st overall with BUF or TOR then go home to Boston. Sounds like a tough choice.

 

[tdfxman]

Per Mark Driver

Jimmy Vesey & his agents scheduled to meet with Chicago, Rangers, Bruins today, per source.

I still don't get how they can publicly say Detroit is "too far from home" and then still see Chicago. That makes 0 sense to me.

They could have told Det 10,000 things, pound sand being one of them, and that would be fine. You can't say sorry too far from home and then consider Chi, can you. wow.
anyway cant wait till it's over.

 

[FLYLine27*]

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Per Mark Driver

Jimmy Vesey & his agents scheduled to meet with Chicago, Rangers, Bruins today, per source.

Detroit had made a pitch for Vesey, But i guess his agent told them that he wants to play closer to home near Boston at least. So if that's truly the case i don't see Chicago being included then seeing that they're further west then Detroit yet.

 

[tade]

Vesey-Giroux-Voracek

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He's not 1st round caliber, and he's developped in Harvard. In other words, he's nothing.

Is that so?

Here's a little exercise for you. There was one college-bound forward from Vesey's draft year selected in the 1st round, and he went the full college ride. Convince me he's progressed better than Vesey.

 

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[member 157595]

He 100% should have but I have a biased opinion.

He 100% should have and I don't have a biased opinion.

I think the NCAA didn't want to award to Hobey to a freshman two years in a row, but the award should be based on merit, not age.

 

[member 157595]

He'll be a UFA in 4 years IIRC, which would be the end of his 2nd contract. 4 shots at winning a Cup with PIT or CHI or 4 shouts at landing the 1st overall with BUF or TOR then go home to Boston. Sounds like a tough choice.

You think Buffalo and Toronto will both be in the lottery in 4 years?

Anything could happen but I like their chances at being competitive teams before then.

 

[gdsmack267]

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[New User Name]

As a Leafs fan that would be happy he signs here I actually hope he signs with Boston.

It's kind of refreshing to see a player who has the ability to live out his dream and play for the team he cheered for growing up.

I'll never understand the crap some spew about a player owing the organization that drafted him (even if he played for them...Parise/Suter)
anything. They owe only to their families and themselves.

As much as I'm not a Bruins fan, I hope he has a decent career, but not against the Leafs, well unless he signs here

 

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Ultimately i'd love to see Kunitz moved for the cap space and Sheary on the 4th line. Wilson and Rust work great with Malkin in that neither one needs the puck on their stick.