Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part IV

[Mad Brills*]

All this hype over someone who could easily be the next matt frattin, or best case scenario hayes or bozak.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I feel that Chicago will be on a slight downward trend after this coming season. Basically not cup contender quality. If Vesey wants to be apart of a possible future dynasty he should be looking towards Toronto, Buffalo, maybe NJ, or maybe even Pittsburgh who may just have begun a new dynasty.

 

[COHawk]

Im a bit confused as to why Chicago is being mentioned... They just had a guy on LW who they traded because he didn't have much of a spot and they needed cap relief... And now they are going to get another LW who will be pushed out like TT was?

Doesnt make sense to me.

Tervainen was the price to pay to get rid of Bickell. TT wasn't dealt for cap space, he was dealt as a sweetener. I don't understand your confusion. A fresh LW on an ELC is the perfect replacement.

 

[Heraldic]

Tervainen was the price to pay to get rid of Bickell. TT wasn't dealt for cap space, he was dealt as a sweetener. I don't understand your confusion. A fresh LW on an ELC is the perfect replacement.

WTF? Bickel was dealt 100% for creating cap space - Teräväinen was just the victim of it. Carolina wouldn't have touched Bickell even with a long wooden pole without Teräväinen being part of the package.

 

[Bergyesque]

They didn't read the fine print.

Yep, kind of.

Reporters saw "August 15", but not what comes before.

"... the Club shall retain the exclusive right of negotiation for such Player's services through and including the August 15 following the date on which he ceases to be a bona fide college student."

 

[nmbr_24]

I feel that Chicago will be on a slight downward trend after this coming season. Basically not cup contender quality. If Vesey wants to be apart of a possible future dynasty he should be looking towards Toronto, Buffalo, maybe NJ, or maybe even Pittsburgh who may just have begun a new dynasty.

Toronto and Buffalo look like they have some good young players but dynasty? Hold on a minute and let them make the playoffs for a couple of seasons before even calling them contenders never mind a dynasty.

Pittsburgh is another story, they just don't seem that great but that is fine when no other team is that great either. They are one of the top teams but a dynasty? I don't see it. There were 5-6 teams who I though could have won the cup last year, Pittsburgh had everything fall right for them to win just like any other team would have had to have happen. They are not head and shoulders better than the other teams and I believe that to be a dynasty that is a requirement to me at least.

 

[COHawk]

WTF? Bickel was dealt 100% for creating cap space - Teräväinen was just the victim of it. Carolina wouldn't have touched Bickell even with a long wooden pole without Teräväinen being part of the package.

Did you even read my entire post, or just stop where you bolded it? We are saying the same thing.

 

[Mugzy97]

I can't think of one reason to sign with the Rangers, Devils, Toronto or Buffalo over Chicago.

Boston I can see because he's from there and prob a huge B's fan.

He has family in the Toronto organization. I don't know where he is going to sign but assuming he signs in Boston because he's a B's fan and is from there isn't really a realistic viewpoint.

 

[Liferleafer]

Toronto and Buffalo look like they have some good young players but dynasty? Hold on a minute and let them make the playoffs for a couple of seasons before even calling them contenders never mind a dynasty.

Pittsburgh is another story, they just don't seem that great but that is fine when no other team is that great either. They are one of the top teams but a dynasty? I don't see it. There were 5-6 teams who I though could have won the cup last year, Pittsburgh had everything fall right for them to win just like any other team would have had to have happen. They are not head and shoulders better than the other teams and I believe that to be a dynasty that is a requirement to me at least.

I think he was speaking solely about the Pens.

 

[Heraldic]

Did you even read my entire post, or just stop where you bolded it? We are saying the same thing.

Yeah, so Teräväinen was traded because of Chicago's cap problems. Just like Saad (and Leddy) was.

Chicago has a clear resume of shipping away its players for cap reasons. Vesey has no guarantee that he won't be one of those many victims.

 

[DKH]

You can also note that the Rangers are just as young

Bruins last 3 years 6 firsts and 5 seconds- Pastrnak from 2014 already leading rookie forward class in goals

5 D in top two rounds

McAvoy
Zboril
Carlo
Lindgren
Lauzon

Rangers 0 first rounders in last 4 years

Love reading here how the Bruins are old and trending down but sounds good

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Tervainen was the price to pay to get rid of Bickell. TT wasn't dealt for cap space, he was dealt as a sweetener. I don't understand your confusion. A fresh LW on an ELC is the perfect replacement.

TT is soft. People act like the Hawks gave up a sure super star in TT when in reality he has mountains to climb to reach his potential.

TT has talant but what good is it if the talant goes away the second the game gets physical...

Also, even if TT panned out with the Hawks there is no way we could have kept him...

That trade made plenty of sense imo.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

All this hype over someone who could easily be the next matt frattin, or best case scenario hayes or bozak.

I've seen you make many of these posts complaining about the hype. Why do you keep returning to threads if hes so overhyped? I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Redline]

Tomorrow will be the first and probably only day Vesey is worth all the fuss.

 

[Gsus]

All this hype over someone who could easily be the next matt frattin, or best case scenario hayes or bozak.

If you can add him for free, I think any team would want him. He probably is not the second coming of Matt Frattin, so that's that.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Yeah, so Teräväinen was traded because of Chicago's cap problems. Just like Saad (and Leddy) was.

Chicago has a clear resume of shipping away its players for cap reasons. Vesey has no guarantee that he won't be one of those many victims.

Yea, Chicago is a pretty good springboard to launch a career.

Besides who knows what is going to happen 3-years from now? Worse case scenario for him he's a plug - best he gets a huge pay day.

 

[Liferleafer]

I've seen you make many of these posts complaining about the hype. Why do you keep returning to threads if hes so overhyped? I'm genuinely curious.

In all fairness...it's almost mirror image to the whole Schultz thing....and he didn't set the world on fire. However, i think Vesey will be pretty good, hope he signs here.

 

[Heraldic]

Yea, Chicago is a pretty good springboard to launch a career.

Besides who knows what is going to happen 3-years from now? Worse case scenario for him he's a plug - best he gets a huge pay day.

You rather play in a contender or in a bottom feeder with the same pay?

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Bruins last 3 years 6 firsts and 5 seconds- Pastrnak from 2014 already leading rookie forward class in goals

5 D in top two rounds

McAvoy
Zboril
Carlo
Lindgren
Lauzon

Rangers 0 first rounders in last 4 years

Love reading here how the Bruins are old and trending down but sounds good

thats great for you guys! As much as we haven't had first round picks we still keep on racking up young players especially in the middle rounds

 

[Hawksfan2828]

If you can add him for free, I think any team would want him. He probably is not the second coming of Matt Frattin, so that's that.

I agree, if you can add him for free why not? there are no negatives to signing him.

If the kid pans out he's an asset, if he doesn't then oh well.

 

[fahad203]

He's going to Boston. There's nothing wrong with a kid chasing his dreams and wanting to play for the team he loves. Any other enviornment he would be considered a hero, a go getter. Maybe get compared to Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. Only in sports do you get crucified.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Toronto and Buffalo look like they have some good young players but dynasty? Hold on a minute and let them make the playoffs for a couple of seasons before even calling them contenders never mind a dynasty.

Pittsburgh is another story, they just don't seem that great but that is fine when no other team is that great either. They are one of the top teams but a dynasty? I don't see it. There were 5-6 teams who I though could have won the cup last year, Pittsburgh had everything fall right for them to win just like any other team would have had to have happen. They are not head and shoulders better than the other teams and I believe that to be a dynasty that is a requirement to me at least.

Key word: Possibly.

 

[Group Chat Legend*]

Tervainen was the price to pay to get rid of Bickell. TT wasn't dealt for cap space, he was dealt as a sweetener. I don't understand your confusion. A fresh LW on an ELC is the perfect replacement.

TT was moved because he didnt have a spot anymore - not because Bickell needed to be moved. They just happened to combine the two.

 

[mikee]

Yeah, so Teräväinen was traded because of Chicago's cap problems. Just like Saad (and Leddy) was.

Chicago has a clear resume of shipping away its players for cap reasons. Vesey has no guarantee that he won't be one of those many victims.

Yes, but while those guys were eventually shipped out they all won Cups in the meantime. You don't think that would have some appeal to a young player? Compete for a cup on a contender right out the gate and then in two years you get moved, potentially to one of those up and coming teams that at that point would actually be a contender rather than the up and coming team that they are now?

 

[Heraldic]

Yes, but while those guys were eventually shipped out they all won Cups in the meantime. You don't think that would have some appeal to a young player? Compete for a cup on a contender right out the gate and then in two years you get moved, potentially to one of those up and coming teams that at that point would actually be a contender rather than the up and coming team that they are now?

Chicago has been forced to shed depth A LOT during the past years. They're not as strong as they were. They just experienced a first round exit and shed (forward) depth even more. They might be a bit deeper on blueline, but a lot depends on how Campbell withstands time.