Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part IV

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Why is Anaheim not in on this?

That have a spot for him on Left Wing with Getzlaf and Perry or just with Getzlaf.

ya I don't get it.. there are a few teams that im shocked aren't rumored to be in on him... unless Vesey and agent straight out told a lot of teams not even to bother trying?

 

[Zip15]

Why is Anaheim not in on this?

That have a spot for him on Left Wing with Getzlaf and Perry or just with Getzlaf.

Sounds like the furthest west he's considering is Chicago.

Even as a Sabres fan, I'm shocked we don't hear Philly more as a contender. They could use a LW, especially when that LW is essentially a free asset.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

Why do people think a rookie wants to be on a contending team so bad? That's what a veteran with one or two years left in his career does.

To win the Cup and get more money on their next contract. See Bryan Bickell or Dave Bolland.

 

[HawkeyFanatic]

https://theathletic.com/17255/2016/...eparing-for-jimmy-vesey-to-become-free-agent/

This is a good breakdown from the Blackhawks perspective from Scott Powers

Keys:
- I’ve always thought he was Chicago’s to lose,” one NHL team executive recently said.

- Fit because Chicago is desperate for LW's

-“Stan Bowman is really honest. That’s one of the best things about him,” one agent recently said. Bowman isn’t likely to promise Vesey a top-6 spot or even an NHL roster spot.

-Panarin’s rookie season is something the Blackhawks can use to their advantage as well. Panarin stepped into a top spot and thrived as a rookie. Panarin earned accolades and a lot of bonus money. Like Panarin, Vesey will be given the maximum amount of performance bonuses on his entry-level contract.

- There’s no doubt Vesey and his representatives are already thinking about his second contract. Vesey’s first contract will be simple. It’ll be a two-year entry-level contract with a max base and max bonuses. The next contract will be more complicated.

-The Blackhawks barely have space to fit Vesey’s cap hit and potential bonuses this season. On the horizon is Panarin’s long-term deal. Panarin will likely get $6-7 million for seven or eight years. There’s the possibility of even more difficult decisions next offseason if the Blackhawks are hit with more cap overages. Looking even further ahead, the Blackhawks already have nearly $50 million committed to seven players in the 2019-20 season, and Nick Schmaltz, Marcus Kruger and Niklas Hjalmarsson will be up for new contracts prior to that season.

- It’s three Stanley Cups since 2010. It’s eight consecutive playoff appearances. It’s Kane and Toews. It’s all of the consecutive sellouts, the national anthem, the annual convention and the general fan base. Selling Chicago as a world-class city is something the Blackhawks also like to use in their presentations.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

To have a chance that many in the league never get to do. Win a cup.

I don't see why that would be high priority for someone just starting out in the league. First he has to see if he can even contribute at the NHL level.

 

[CupsOverCash]

I don't see why that would be high priority for someone just starting out in the league. First he has to see if he can even contribute at the NHL level.

It's a priority for every player in the league. The second point you make assumes that he doesn't have the confidence that he can succeed at this level. He's trying to get signed right now and make some decent money, of course he feels he can succeed at this level.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

To win the Cup and get more money on their next contract. See Bryan Bickell or Dave Bolland.

Bigger second contract makes sense I guess. I still don't see winning the cup as high priority for a rookie.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I don't see why that would be high priority for someone just starting out in the league. First he has to see if he can even contribute at the NHL level.

I'd say that it is a priority because lots and lots of players play their entire career in the NHL without ever sniffing the Stanley Cup. Get it out of the way in year one or two, and then you can concentrate on your career, individual accolades, contract $$$, etc.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

It's a priority for every player in the league. The second point you make assumes that he doesn't have the confidence that he can succeed at this level. He's trying to get signed right now and make some decent money, of course he feels he can succeed at this level.

To me, wanting to go to a contender as a rookie shows a lack of confidence as well.

 

[CupsOverCash]

To me, wanting to go to a contender as a rookie shows a lack of confidence as well.

How so?

 

[TGWL]

What's his upside?

Is a 45 point winger a fair expectation at his peak?

Nobody really knows. Gm's certainly hope he comes in and can contribute right now. His College productions was on par with Higgins, Moore and Stempniak. Obviously his 2-way game isn't even close to Higgens and Moore, although probably not as bad as Hayes who made the cross 2 years ago.

 

[HockeyShack]

Sounds like the furthest west he's considering is Chicago.

Even as a Sabres fan, I'm shocked we don't hear Philly more as a contender. They could use a LW, especially when that LW is essentially a free asset.

Guess that makes sense, if he doesn't want to live that far West.

If I were him I'd want to go with where I would do the best for the next 2 seasons to get that 2nd contract $$$.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

How so?

A rookie won't be playing or contributing as much, if at all, to a team playing for the cup. But I guess the plus side is he does get to start his career in a winning culture.

I always liked the idea of a player wanting to help turn a losing team around but I guess the only guys saying that are the ones stuck on ****** teams.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

I'd say that it is a priority because lots and lots of players play their entire career in the NHL without ever sniffing the Stanley Cup. Get it out of the way in year one or two, and then you can concentrate on your career, individual accolades, contract $$$, etc.

Yeah I guess it is a business and unfortunately players look at as such earlier in their careers nowadays.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I'd probably say that Vesey will become a better Killorn. They both played at Harvard, althought Vesey was more productive. I'd absolutely say that he is better than K. Hayes though, who was carried by Johnny Hockey.

 

[Alexander the Gr8]

A rookie won't be playing or contributing as much, if at all, to a team playing for the cup. But I guess the plus side is he does get to start his career in a winning culture.

I always liked the idea of a player wanting to help turn a losing team around but I guess the only guys saying that are the ones stuck on ****** teams.

False, Panarin is an example of a rookie UFA who chose a contender and became a core player quickly.

I can see where you're coming from being a fan of a non-contending team, but winners attract players easily. I don't think there are too many rookie players in this league who would pass on the opportunity to be a top 6 player for a team like the Blackhawks or Penguins.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

False, Panarin is an example of a rookie UFA who chose a contender and became a core player quickly.

I can see where you're coming from being a fan of a non-contending team, but winners attract players easily. I don't think there are too many rookie players in this league who would pass on the opportunity to be a top 6 player for a team like the Blackhawks or Penguins.

True about Panarin but there are always standouts and exceptions. Most rookies need time to adapt to the NHL. Some just transition smoothly somehow.

 

[Liferleafer]

False, Panarin is an example of a rookie UFA who chose a contender and became a core player quickly.

I can see where you're coming from being a fan of a non-contending team, but winners attract players easily. I don't think there are too many rookie players in this league who would pass on the opportunity to be a top 6 player for a team like the Blackhawks or Penguins.

Panarin was 24, and had a number of pro years playing against me under his belt...not a great comparable.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

False, Panarin is an example of a rookie UFA who chose a contender and became a core player quickly.

I can see where you're coming from being a fan of a non-contending team, but winners attract players easily. I don't think there are too many rookie players in this league who would pass on the opportunity to be a top 6 player for a team like the Blackhawks or Penguins.

You can hardly cite Panarin as a normal rookie though, and Vesey isn't on Panarin's skill level, especially right out of college.

 

[SEALBound]

I would be absolutely shocked for Sullivan to play Vesey over Sheary if he were to sign here, seeing how the Penguins won the cup with Sheary playing a big role on the top line. It doesn't matter if Vesey is better than Sheary or not, because Sullivan is much more likely to try his WBS boys on that top line than Vesey. Vesey would probably be the 3rd option for that top line LW spot, after Sheary and Wilson.

I think they would tell Vesey that he has the ability to compete for a job with Sheary, Wilson, Rust, etc and Sully will take the best ones.

Being a big LW helps his case. What I would be pointing to is Kunitz. Basically tell him, you have 1 year to play throughout the line up. Next year, when Kunitz is gone, you basically compete for either Sid or Geno's LW and you will likely get one of them. Vesey is a long term need for the Penguins and one of the seemingly few holes they have. You get to contend right away for the next 4-5 years and once Kunitz is gone, you have first chomp as a long term LW for the two best centers in the league.

If he doesn't want the attention, a team that boasts Sid, Geno, Phil, Letang, and MAF/MM...your wish is granted.

I see the Penguins making a lot of sense but who knows if that's even on his radar. I like to have hope and dream because it's the boring part of the off season but I'm well aware it's highly unlikely.

 

[smirob]

I think Montreal makes a lot of sense and seems to hit on a lot of the points.

The biggest issue Vesey might have would be Therrien imo, he doesn't attract players.

They have a top 6 spot, are in a win-now mode, and should have ample cap space come renewal time.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I could see the habs being a darkhorse for Vesey.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

So then technically it is the 16th that he can sign. Why was everyone talking about the 15th?

Exactly. Every article I read said the 15th. The 16th, is another day. Why say the 15th?

 

[BleedinBLUEsince92]

You can hardly cite Panarin as a normal rookie though, and Vesey isn't on Panarin's skill level, especially right out of college.

Well some people are comparing him to K Hayes and saying he's better. Kevin Hayes was able to contribute right away on a cup contending team. He had sort of a sophomore slump this past year. I don't think it's all that crazy to say he'd be able to contribute on a cup contenders team playing in their top 9.

 

[VanIslander]

Exactly. Every article I read said the 15th. The 16th, is another day. Why say the 15th?

His rights are retained until August 15th.
You have until Friday to hand your homework project in.

What is so hard to understand?

His rights are retained until the 15th.
That means up to and including the 15th as the deadline.

 

[ClydeLee]

His rights are retained until August 15th.
You have until Friday to hand your homework project in.

What is so hard to understand?

His rights are retained until the 15th.
That means up to and including the 15th as the deadline.

Until doesn't always have to indicate including. It can be either way, but also expressed that his rights are until the 16th. Because they exist up to that date specifically.