Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part IV

[Hawksfan2828]

You rather play in a contender or in a bottom feeder with the same pay?

Of course. You think Vesey wants to play on a bottom feeder (or any player for that matter)?

Obviously it's his choice but a team like the Hawks is an excellent position to launch a career. I'm not trying to be a homer but if I were a UFA and I had a choice Chicago would certainly be attractive.

 

[mikee]

Yea, Chicago is a pretty good springboard to launch a career.

Besides who knows what is going to happen 3-years from now? Worse case scenario for him he's a plug - best he gets a huge pay day.

Yes. Assuming he is the type of player he is projected to be he absolutely should look at Chicago and Pittsburgh. The way to get that big second contract is to have not just statistical success but play on a good team with lots of exposure. Every young player that has met Q's defensive threshold and earned important minutes with the Hawks has not just gotten paid, they have mostly ended up getting overpaid.

 

[satbank]

Yes, but while those guys were eventually shipped out they all won Cups in the meantime. You don't think that would have some appeal to a young player? Compete for a cup on a contender right out the gate and then in two years you get moved, potentially to one of those up and coming teams that at that point would actually be a contender rather than the up and coming team that they are now?

Money isn't the issue if so he would have sign with Nashville awhile ago. He wants stability and control neither of which he will get from Chicago. He's still a RFA once his ELC is done and he won't have a said to where he's going after.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

He's going to Boston. There's nothing wrong with a kid chasing his dreams and wanting to play for the team he loves. Any other enviornment he would be considered a hero, a go getter. Maybe get compared to Steve Jobs and Elon Musk. Only in sports do you get crucified.

Hockey is a business, signing with a team just because you grew up a fan would be misguided.

 

[mikee]

Money isn't the issue if so he would have sign with Nashville awhile ago. He wants stability and control neither of which he will get from Chicago. He's still a RFA once his ELC is done and he won't have a said to where he's going after.

Because RFA has prevented so many guys from getting a huge contract lately.

If stability and control are what is most important to him, then yes, signing with the Hawks is not his best option. But in all actuality stability is not something any good team can offer him. All contenders (and some non-contenders) have cap issues that cause players to be moved. If he signs with Boston or Buffalo and those teams succeed there is no guarantee he signs his second contract with them either. If he truly wants stability and the chance to play in one spot for a long time, NJ is probably his best choice.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Money isn't the issue if so he would have sign with Nashville awhile ago. He wants stability and control neither of which he will get from Chicago. He's still a RFA once his ELC is done and he won't have a said to where he's going after.

The only time a player has any control is with a NMC or NTC which is something he's not going to get on a ELC. So "stability" isn't even an option at this point.

 

[Tretyak 20]

He's already made his decision for all intents and purposes on day he told Poile thanks but no thanks.

All that's left to finalize his public unveiling of chosen destination is 1) getting to Aug. 16 and 2) confirming that team/GM/coach does their part to tell him what he wants/needs to hear.

It's the Bruins. It always was and by end of week, everyone will find out what Vesey has known from the start.

Feel free to pretend like the Leafs aren't the front runners

Mr. Ford, meet Guinn. You kids can have a nice chat while the rest of us who can admit we don't know where Vesey will sign talk amongst ourselves.

 

[Liferleafer]

 

[satbank]

Because RFA has prevented so many guys from getting a huge contract lately.

If stability and control are what is most important to him, then yes, signing with the Hawks is not his best option. But in all actuality stability is not something any good team can offer him. All contenders (and some non-contenders) have cap issues that cause players to be moved. If he signs with Boston or Buffalo and those teams succeed there is no guarantee he signs his second contract with them either. If he truly wants stability and the chance to play in one spot for a long time, NJ is probably his best choice.

That's the thing he has a more likely chance to get a second contract from several other teams than the Hawks, while being close to home. When he gets traded for cap reason he may end up further from home than where he wants to be. Giving the sideshow I doubt he wants another with his RFA contract.

I did pick New Jersey as the team he pick.

 

[satbank]

The only time a player has any control is with a NMC or NTC which is something he's not going to get on a ELC. So "stability" isn't even an option at this point.

It's more that he has a better chance at staying long term with the team he pick in the first place even after his ELC is up.

 

[TGWL]

I love how every time a team is out, another team is back in, only to be followed by the team returning and dropping somebody else off the list. I can't see how his list has even changed. He can't really speak to other GM's yet so I'm sure he hasn't eliminated any teams on his "Short" long list.

 

[Heraldic]

Of course. You think Vesey wants to play on a bottom feeder (or any player for that matter)?

Obviously it's his choice but a team like the Hawks is an excellent position to launch a career. I'm not trying to be a homer but if I were a UFA and I had a choice Chicago would certainly be attractive.

Exactly. You can ask more from Teräväinen and Saad.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

I personally wouldn't want to sign with a team my dad works for. Say your dad gets the boot and it ended ugly, I know I would want out if it was my father. The other thing is that Toronto isn't exactly driving distance and seems that being close to Boston was brought up by Vesey. The other thing, Toronto is a great city and maybe the best hockey town, however, you'er under the microscope and with their tax bracket being higher than NY/NY is dam scary.

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Midnight tomorrow = midnight of the 16th.

You do know tomorrow night when the clock strikes 12:01 will be the 17th.

 

[Hawksfan2828]

It's more that he has a better chance at staying long term with the team he pick in the first place even after his ELC is up.

He has the same chance and opportunity anywhere he signs, but stability is something he's going to have to play himself into or earn on any team. Of course that will be more difficault with the Hawks or Pens.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

I personally wouldn't want to sign with a team my dad works for. Say your dad gets the boot and it ended ugly, I know I would want out if it was my father. The other thing is that Toronto isn't exactly driving distance and seems that being close to Boston was brought. The other, Toronto is a great city and maybe the best hockey town, however, you'er under the microscope and the with their tax bracket being higher than NY/NY is dam scary.

On the contrary if you were going to being offered the exact same amount of money and opportunity by every team in the league except 1 sweetened the deal and agreed to give your dad a job wouldn't you want to help your family?

All i know is that i personally put family above all else.

 

[nmbr_24]

I think he was speaking solely about the Pens.

No he wasn't-" If Vesey wants to be apart of a possible future dynasty he should be looking towards Toronto, Buffalo, maybe NJ"

 

[Hawksfan2828]

Exactly. You can ask more from Teräväinen and Saad.

Well, I don't know about TT yet but there are many great players in this league that are getting paid nicely because they're products of the Hawks.

Saad, Buff, Ladd, Leddy, Versteeg, Bolland, Bickell, Sharp etc... They got paid.

IMO, I think Q manufactures great players, so if this kid wants to progress as a player then the Hawks can help him.

 

[Irishguy42]

You do know tomorrow night when the clock strikes 12:01 will be the 17th.

I guess bad wording on my part.

 

[MetM]

You do know tomorrow night when the clock strikes 12:01 will be the 17th.

It says "tomorrow", not "tomorrow night" lol




(Wow.. is it October yet??)

 

[Heraldic]

Well, I don't know about TT yet but there are many great players in this league that are getting paid nicely because they're products of the Hawks.

Saad, Buff, Ladd, Leddy, Versteeg, Bolland, Bickell, Sharp etc... They got paid.

IMO, I think Q manufactures great players, so if this kid wants to progress as a player then the Hawks can help him.

And how many of those players got traded to a contender instead of a bottom feeder?

 

[HarrisonFord]

Mr. Ford, meet Guinn. You kids can have a nice chat while the rest of us who can admit we don't know where Vesey will sign talk amongst ourselves.

That should help things

 

[HydroF]

I really hope he signs with some completely off the radar team. Would make this whole thing a lot more entertaining.

 

[Bones Malone]

You do know tomorrow night when the clock strikes 12:01 will be the 17th.

Midnight starts the day, not ends it. Midnight on the 16th is less than 12 hours away EST. So tomorrow at midnight is the beginning of the 16th.

 

[ThirdManIn]

Money isn't the issue if so he would have sign with Nashville awhile ago. He wants stability and control neither of which he will get from Chicago. He's still a RFA once his ELC is done and he won't have a said to where he's going after.

Stability he would get in Nashville. Control he won't get anywhere after signing his contract. Not until he hits UFA like everyone else. It seems obvious that he has had one or two teams in mind for a while now.