Proposal: All Bruins trade rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part VIII

[DKH]

Carlo, JFK, Heinen, DeBrusk, and a 1st for Landeskog?

I'd prefer to save one of JFK/Carlo, but if that's the deal I'll be ok with it. Our top 9 easily becomes one of the best in the league and locked up for a long time.

I like landeskog but if they give Carlo I'd subtract JFK Heinen DeBrusk and the first from that deal

Landeskog is a real good player but you give up Carlo you are at 80% + of the deal

Landeskog will be a very good second liner and Carlo will be a very good second pair D

 

[bp13]

Carlo, JFK, Heinen, DeBrusk, and a 1st for Landeskog?

I'd prefer to save one of JFK/Carlo, but if that's the deal I'll be ok with it. Our top 9 easily becomes one of the best in the league and locked up for a long time.

Wow. That is a lot to give up for Landeskog. A lot. I pull JFK and either Debrusk or the 1st from that offer.

Or I offer all of it and keep Carlo.

 

[DKH]

It is more like fans have a infatuation with players/prospects

Well the sorta won the Cup based on that way

Directly or indirectly

Bergeron
Krejci
Kessel
Marchand
Lucic
M Stuart
Were the core or traded for key players

The brought in young players who became prospects on that tean and top 20 on the Bruins list

Boychuk
Rask
Wheeler
McQuaid

They traded prospects like karsums, Lashoff, Versteeg

And Claude mismanaged others like Sobotka and Nate Thompson

I'm reading this stuff and laughing my ass off how bruins fans work **** into posts

 

[Dr Hook]

Wow. That is a lot to give up for Landeskog. A lot. I pull JFK and either Debrusk or the 1st from that offer.

Or I offer all of it and keep Carlo.

I agree- I am good with Carlo + for Landeskog, depending on what the + is. That is way to much +. Carlo, Heinen and a mid round pick sounds about right to me (or replace Heinen with another NHL ready prospect, but no more than that). I want Landeskog here, but not at that sort of price.

 

[bruinmann77]

Think it's paying a lot for landeskog I be happy if this deal does not happen

 

[Number8]

We move Carlo and McAvoy is average or average to good for 1-2 years (I think not an unfair possibility for a then 20 year old kid).

Considering Lando will impact our ability to add an established top dman, is a defense as follows good enough?

Chara (one year older)
McAvoy (the realistic version, not the immediate slam dunk #1)
Krug
CMiller
McQuaid
KMiller

I don't think it is.

 

[pisele]

Carlo, JFK, Heinen, DeBrusk, and a 1st for Landeskog?

I'd prefer to save one of JFK/Carlo, but if that's the deal I'll be ok with it. Our top 9 easily becomes one of the best in the league and locked up for a long time.

People are beginning to lose their minds.

A 2nd Line D, plus 3 prospects plus a 1st round pick?

For a 20 goal scorer with a lot of intangibles? I think it's either Carlo and a prospect or 3 prospects plus the pick.
DeBrusk is ready next year, so is Heinen.

 

[Blowfish]

I can't get past the fact that Adam Larsson netted Taylor Hall straight-up. Why would we give up Carlo+ for Landeskog if this is the market for top-4 D?

 

[BBB24]

Well the sorta won the Cup based on that way

Directly or indirectly

Bergeron
Krejci
Kessel
Marchand
Lucic
M Stuart
Were the core or traded for key players

The brought in young players who became prospects on that tean and top 20 on the Bruins list

Boychuk
Rask
Wheeler
McQuaid

They traded prospects like karsums, Lashoff, Versteeg

And Claude mismanaged others like Sobotka and Nate Thompson

I'm reading this stuff and laughing my ass off how bruins fans work **** into posts

Agree, but not sure we both mean the same. Your post is proof management knew who to keep and who to move. I realize fans are passionate but unless you have seen players at the NHL level, or they are a superstar at JR or NCAA level, it is hard to judge. Nobody knew for sure that Carlo was going to be what he is showing, but I did tell my son that Carlo was making the team out of camp, good guess, but had a strong feeling, lol. Who would guess Chelarik would show how he has, that is one reason I hope Sweeney gives this move another week or two to see what Chelarik can do, maybe Landeskog is not needed. We shall see. To me Chelarik has a very high hockey IQ, him Krejci and Pasta could be what the Bruins are looking for, but I will error on side of management as they see these guy more than I do, but I really like his game.

 

[Coach Parker]

Dreger reporting that the price on Shattenkirk at the deadline is a 1st and prospect.

 

[Dr Hook]

Dreger reporting that the price on Shattenkirk at the deadline is a 1st and prospect.

That would be worth it, provided we could be sure he'll re-sign with us at a reasonable price in the summer. Otherwise it is a costly rental that I want no part of.

 

[Bruins1993]

Shattenkirk would looks so good in bruins jersey

 

[Coach Parker]

That would be worth it, provided we could be sure he'll re-sign with us at a reasonable price in the summer. Otherwise it is a costly rental that I want no part of.

I'd have to look back at last year's quotes from Dom to see if the Bruins were actually given permission last deadline to talk to Shattenkirk but if the Bruins thought they could sign him after...

...wouldn't suddenly Carlo become a trade chip? Did we have the cart before the horse and perhaps that visit by Armstrong last week was the trade in place before Julien was fired and now Boston sees the second hole on Krejci's wing as a possible XXX being filled by Carlo's departure?

I don't see how the salary cap works with Landeskog and Shattenkirk coming in.

I also would prefer to fill that top line RHD position first if the price is the 2017 1st and ONE prospect.

 

[JEM28]

That would be worth it, provided we could be sure he'll re-sign with us at a reasonable price in the summer. Otherwise it is a costly rental that I want no part of.

Agree. If the B's were clicking like the Caps or a team of that caliber...a true contender....maybe they would be more apt to go for it. But not as a "maybe" playoff team, unless you know he's signing LT and at a reasonable cost.

 

[Coach Parker]

Agree. If the B's were clicking like the Caps or steam if that caliber...a true contender....maybe yours more apt to go for it. But not as a maybe playoff team, unless you know he's signing LT and at a reasonable cost.

Same. So, if last year near the end of the Eriksson for Shattenkirk talks and the deal looked imminent, were the Bruins able to talk to Shattenkirk and get a price/term?

If you knew you could trade for him and sign him for 6.0 million / 6 years do you do the trade then move Carlo?

Let's see that Harvard degree work the cap math there.

 

[Dr Hook]

I'd have to look back at last year's quotes from Dom to see if the Bruins were actually given permission last deadline to talk to Shattenkirk but if the Bruins thought they could sign him after...

...wouldn't suddenly Carlo become a trade chip? Did we have the cart before the horse and perhaps that visit by Armstrong last week was the trade in place before Julien was fired and now Boston sees the second hole on Krejci's wing as a possible XXX being filled by Carlo's departure?

I don't see how the salary cap works with Landeskog and Shattenkirk coming in.

I also would prefer to fill that top line RHD position first if the price is the 2017 1st and ONE prospect.

Carlo does become moveable to get Landeskog, but you are right, we'd need to do some tinkering to keep under the cap. Chara's hit goes down and someone is going to Vegas, which likely covers Landeskog, and then Liles' $2 mil come off- we are still 4-5 mi below the cap as it stands, so I suppose at $6 mil long term Shattenkirk fits, but that puts us right up against it and needing to re-sign Pasternak. Someone else or two will have to move it appears, but I am not cap savvy enough to know whether I have this right

 

[Bmessy]

1st and a prospect for Shattenkirk
Then beleksey and a pick to whoeber will take on the salary.
Getting rid of Beleskys salary and signing Shattenkirk in the offseasom would be great. Improve the D for this playoff run and make sure he signs long term. From what Ive heard from people who played with him at BU he is a great kid and would be great to have around.

 

[riverhawkey91]

Same. So, if last year near the end of the Eriksson for Shattenkirk talks and the deal looked imminent, were the Bruins able to talk to Shattenkirk and get a price/term?

If you knew you could trade for him and sign him for 6.0 million / 6 years do you do the trade then move Carlo?

Let's see that Harvard degree work the cap math there.

I can't imagine STL would be looking for a 1st + prospect if they weren't going to let teams negotiate -- if they're going to be trading the player away, it wouldn't make much sense to not let them talk, it would only up the return. I don't think the price/term last year was too big of a deal for the Bruins as he still had a full year under contract, but I do remember salary coming to the B's being an issue (Lehtera) so maybe they did talk.

Shattenkirk may be a RHD, but I'm relatively sure he's played mostly the left side in STL. If you're looking to bring him AND Landeskog in, it probably makes the most sense to move out Chara. There's simply no way the cap works with that top 6, Chara, Krug and Shattenkirk beyond the rest of this season. You'd have to move one of the top 6 or Chara out (and that's after moving at least one of Hayes/Beleskey and LVGK taking KMiller/McQuaid).

edit - off the top of my head after going through this the other night, the top 6 (BM, PB, DB, DK, GL and DP at $6M) + Rask + Krug + Seidenberg's buyout + Shattenkirk at $6M is roughly $57M, leaving $16M for 12-14 players, not counting any other current contracts.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

Could be 1st + prospect +




And keep in mind, if the Bruins trade their 1st for Landeskog, they won't have another to send to the Blues for Shattenkirk.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I'd have to look back at last year's quotes from Dom to see if the Bruins were actually given permission last deadline to talk to Shattenkirk but if the Bruins thought they could sign him after...

...wouldn't suddenly Carlo become a trade chip? Did we have the cart before the horse and perhaps that visit by Armstrong last week was the trade in place before Julien was fired and now Boston sees the second hole on Krejci's wing as a possible XXX being filled by Carlo's departure?

I don't see how the salary cap works with Landeskog and Shattenkirk coming in.

I also would prefer to fill that top line RHD position first if the price is the 2017 1st and ONE prospect.

Oiler insider Bob staffer said last year shattenkirk camp let it be known they wouldn't stay in Edmonton

This year supposedly they've let Edmonton know they would stay.

I've heard other sources like Bob McKenzie say this will be a sign and trade possibly. That st louis wants a real hockey trade and not just a rental

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Could be 1st + prospect +




And keep in mind, if the Bruins trade their 1st for Landeskog, they won't have another to send to the Blues for Shattenkirk.

Not to mention its impossible to make the cap space work for next season without Sending away at least 2 of our top 7 paid players.. or around 6 of our next 7 highest paid players

 

[Coach Parker]

Carlo does become moveable to get Landeskog, but you are right, we'd need to do some tinkering to keep under the cap. Chara's hit goes down and someone is going to Vegas, which likely covers Landeskog, and then Liles' $2 mil come off- we are still 4-5 mi below the cap as it stands, so I suppose at $6 mil long term Shattenkirk fits, but that puts us right up against it and needing to re-sign Pasternak. Someone else or two will have to move it appears, but I am not cap savvy enough to know whether I have this right

Just did the math. Tight but:

To Colorado:

D Carlo
F Beleskey
F Gabrielle

To Boston:

F Landeskog

To St.Louis

2017 1st
F DeBrusk

To Boston:

D Shattenkirk

It's really tight but it fits this year. Chara's cap goes down, Marchand's goes up, Vegas takes one of the D and their cap, but moves would need to be made in the summer. You also have the Pastrnak raise.

 

[Coach Parker]

I can't imagine STL would be looking for a 1st + prospect if they weren't going to let teams negotiate -- if they're going to be trading the player away, it wouldn't make much sense to not let them talk, it would only up the return. I don't think the price/term last year was too big of a deal for the Bruins as he still had a full year under contract, but I do remember salary coming to the B's being an issue (Lehtera) so maybe they did talk.

Shattenkirk may be a RHD, but I'm relatively sure he's played mostly the left side in STL. If you're looking to bring him AND Landeskog in, it probably makes the most sense to move out Chara. There's simply no way the cap works with that top 6, Chara, Krug and Shattenkirk beyond the rest of this season. You'd have to move one of the top 6 or Chara out (and that's after moving at least one of Hayes/Beleskey and LVGK taking KMiller/McQuaid).

Carlo and Beleskey would HAVE to be in the Colorado trade to make the cap work...and barely work. That Liles contract is a bad one to have in the pressbox.

 

[ap3lovr]

Just did the math. Tight but:

To Colorado:

D Carlo
F Beleskey
F Gabrielle

To Boston:

F Landeskog

To St.Louis

2017 1st
F DeBrusk

To Boston:

D Shattenkirk

It's really tight but it fits this year. Chara's cap goes down, Marchand's goes up, Vegas takes one of the D and their cap, but moves would need to be made in the summer. You also have the Pastrnak raise.

That would put us right back into cap hell. I think the te should stand pat right now. Look to make a move on draft day.

 

[riverhawkey91]

Carlo and Beleskey would HAVE to be in the Colorado trade to make the cap work...and barely work. That Liles contract is a bad one to have in the pressbox.

I updated my post with some numbers for next year....to your point I think they've banked enough cap this season to make it work this year, but I don't see how they do it next year and for the future. Even if they lost basically all existing contracts and replaced them with entirely ELC/league-minimum deals, it'd still be seriously close.