Speculation: All Bruins trade proposals/rumors VIII: Over the Holiday Freeze

[Dr Quincy]

Count me in on moving Lucic at this point especially if we can get a package like that.

I'd rather keep Smith and Soderberg over him.

I'd also look into trading Torey Krug. He is disasterous in his own end and it seems like the only person he plays well with is McQuaid.

Yup. I'd definitely look into it. If someone is blinded by the offense and willing to give something good, I'd move him. Too many limitations especially when they transistion to a Chara-less D.

 

[Over the volcano]

Yup. I'd definitely look into it. If someone is blinded by the offense and willing to give something good, I'd move him. Too many limitations especially when they transistion to a Chara-less D.

Problem is that he's one of the few players they have who consistently brings it in the playoffs. That alone is reason to keep him.

 

[Lobster57]

Problem is that he's one of the few players they have who consistently brings it in the playoffs. That alone is reason to keep him.

 

[the negotiator]

Re the Caron call-up

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome

This is such a bizarre year.....Caron and Frazier keeps getting looks while players who might have potential to develop ( Spooner and Koko) don't get much airtime and/or sit on the 9th floor ( Griffith).

The only explination I can see is we will play " big " bodies over skilled players even if the big bodies are slow, not hard to play against and lack scoring skills.

 

[Altamira]

I keep Paille and Kelly for the rest of the season and see if I can move Campbell and McQuaid at the deadline.

One issue with this team is leadership and moving Kelly without having others stepping up to fill the holes left by Boychuk/Thornton/Ference could crumble this team. Depending on the market and whether the cap goes up, you look to move him this summer.

Kelly's value would be higher at the deadline than during the summer, and moving him now gives a clearer cap picture sooner.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Problem is that he's one of the few players they have who consistently brings it in the playoffs. That alone is reason to keep him.

Then trade him for Bickell!

 

[Over the volcano]

Then trade him for Bickell!

They could use a Bickell come playoff time- beats what we saw from most of the team against MTL last year.

 

[bbfan419]

Rask + Philadelphia 2nd round pick

to the Flyers for:

Mason+ Simmonds

Flyers get a true #1 goalie they have wanted for years, Bruins get a serviceable goalie and the #1 RW they want.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Kelly's value would be higher at the deadline than during the summer, and moving him now gives a clearer cap picture sooner.

This is the paradox to me.

If Kelly has value and could be dealt... why did they deal Boychuk instead?

Either Kelly doesn't have value and they are paying him $3m, which is bad.

Or Kelly does have value but they dealt away a key dman instead, which is bad.

 

[Gargyn]

Rask + Philadelphia 2nd round pick

to the Flyers for:

Mason+ Simmonds

Flyers get a true #1 goalie they have wanted for years, Bruins get a serviceable goalie and the #1 RW they want.

Would take a lot more than that to get simmonds

 

[Alicat]

Problem is that he's one of the few players they have who consistently brings it in the playoffs. That alone is reason to keep him.

You can replace him with Warsofsky who's just as mobile but is also better defensively and stronger.

 

[Alicat]

This is the paradox to me.

If Kelly has value and could be dealt... why did they deal Boychuk instead?

Either Kelly doesn't have value and they are paying him $3m, which is bad.

Or Kelly does have value but they dealt away a key dman instead, which is bad.

I think they moved Boychuk because he simply wasn't in their plans. Rather than let him walk at the end of the season or risk him getting hurt before the deadline, they moved him at the start of the season and forced Snow to pay a pretty penny in a deep draft.

You're right about Kelly but I think it's a combination of he's got value to the team but the market for a guy like him hasn't materialized.

 

[Over the volcano]

You can replace him with Warsofsky who's just as mobile but is also better defensively and stronger.

Krug lead the team in points during the last playoff run and was amazing the year before. He gets it done and they have precious few players who get there.

Maybe Warsofsky can do the same- but I'd rather keep Krug.

 

[Altamira]

This is the paradox to me.

If Kelly has value and could be dealt... why did they deal Boychuk instead?

Either Kelly doesn't have value and they are paying him $3m, which is bad.

Or Kelly does have value but they dealt away a key dman instead, which is bad.

I believe that the deadline can inflate a player's value if a team identifies him as filling a need. At the beginning of the season no team really needs to add Kelly. Plus I think he was coming off of back injury that ended his season.....not a lot of teams interested in trading for him before knowing he recovered.

 

[Alicat]

Krug lead the team in points during the last playoff run and was amazing the year before. He gets it done and they have precious few players who get there.

Maybe Warsofsky can do the same- but I'd rather keep Krug.

Offensively he brings it but defensively, that's an entirely different story. Its not a popular move but It is something to consider especially if you want to add a forward.

 

[patty59]

Would take a lot more than that to get simmonds

No it wouldn't. That's a brutal trade proposal.

 

[Montecristo]

Krug lead the team in points during the last playoff run and was amazing the year before. He gets it done and they have precious few players who get there.

Maybe Warsofsky can do the same- but I'd rather keep Krug.

I'd rather keep krug as well but at the deadline good players on cheap money will be in high demand for contenders up against the cap. Krug, smith, soderberg. Those 3 might be the best trade assets the bruins have since other teams won't have to send roster players back to make the money work. Of those 3 krug and soderberg are the most easily replaced. Khoklachev or Spooner could get a good extended look to grow in an NHL system skating in soderberg spot, and warsofsky can slide right into krugs role, (no idea how effective he would be in it). You can get a good return of prospects/picks for krug and CS while also seeing what you have in a young cost controlled center who might have to replace soderberg anyway if he isn't a priority in fa. Warsofsky can potentially be the new krug and if he doesn't work in just 1-3 more years (depending on if he goes pro) grzcelyk can try out for that role.

 

[wintersej]

This is the paradox to me.

If Kelly has value and could be dealt... why did they deal Boychuk instead?

Either Kelly doesn't have value and they are paying him $3m, which is bad.

Or Kelly does have value but they dealt away a key dman instead, which is bad.

OR Kelly had just come off an injury and has a partial NTC.

 

[Over the volcano]

I'd rather keep krug as well but at the deadline good players on cheap money will be in high demand for contenders up against the cap. Krug, smith, soderberg. Those 3 might be the best trade assets the bruins have since other teams won't have to send roster players back to make the money work. Of those 3 krug and soderberg are the most easily replaced. Khoklachev or Spooner could get a good extended look to grow in an NHL system skating in soderberg spot, and warsofsky can slide right into krugs role, (no idea how effective he would be in it). You can get a good return of prospects/picks for krug and CS while also seeing what you have in a young cost controlled center who might have to replace soderberg anyway if he isn't a priority in fa. Warsofsky can potentially be the new krug and if he doesn't work in just 1-3 more years (depending on if he goes pro) grzcelyk can try out for that role.

You have to start with which players bring it when you need it, then look at the $, then move the pieces that fall shortest. Krug IMO is pretty far on the keep side of the ledger, Soderberg and Smith too because of their skill set, compete level and reasonable price tags. Its guys who either cant be positive players come crunch time in the next 5 years (campbell, Paille, Kelly) or guys who wont be worth what they may cost (Lucic, Seidenberg?) to move for prospects and picks.

 

[trudatman*]

....You're right about Kelly....

damn. I shouldn't have offered the bets if I couldn't pay out upon a loss. chapter seven it is.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

So? Is the evaluation process over? Is there help on the way? Cause this team is going nowhere fast.

 

[Gargyn]

No it wouldn't. That's a brutal trade proposal.

Go make that offer on the main board or flyers board and get back to me.

 

[Alicat]

So? Is the evaluation process over? Is there help on the way? Cause this team is going nowhere fast.

Looking at the schedule, making a deal New Year's Day makes a lot of sense as they play tomorrow and Wednesday then have 2 days off before playing back to back Saturday/Sunday.

A move needs to happen stat.

 

[Montecristo]

You have to start with which players bring it when you need it, then look at the $, then move the pieces that fall shortest. Krug IMO is pretty far on the keep side of the ledger, Soderberg and Smith too because of their skill set, compete level and reasonable price tags. Its guys who either cant be positive players come crunch time in the next 5 years (campbell, Paille, Kelly) or guys who wont be worth what they may cost (Lucic, Seidenberg?) to move for prospects and picks.

I think paille Kelly and Campbell net a different breed of prospect or pick than soderberg or krug would. Yeah you can get a prospect or pick for half a season of a 4th line average center but would it be a good prospect? I think not. Kelly has a terrible contract and is having a terrible year. Maybe a similar (slightly better?) Return. Soderberg might ask for 4-5 million in the offseason. Would you pay him that? What if he also demands a NMC because he likes it here? Or you can trade him for a legit 2nd tier prospect or a low first/high 2nd round pick now, groom his replacement either koko or Spooner, (whoever flourishes) and have some control and a better idea what to do in the offseason. If CS stays all year, then leaves for greener pastures, what do the bruins do at 3rd line C for 2014-2015? Go in with an unknown in koko or Spooner, or look outside the organization and keep koko and spooner blocked? Trading soderberg gives them an idea what to do. If koko in an extended 25 game look goes 11-8 19 points, then I'd feel more comfortable with him as my center next year. If he goes 2-3-5, I'd probably look to add a vet.

 

[Over the volcano]

I think paille Kelly and Campbell net a different breed of prospect or pick than soderberg or krug would. Yeah you can get a prospect or pick for half a season of a 4th line average center but would it be a good prospect? I think not. Kelly has a terrible contract and is having a terrible year. Maybe a similar (slightly better?) Return. Soderberg might ask for 4-5 million in the offseason. Would you pay him that? What if he also demands a NMC because he likes it here? Or you can trade him for a legit 2nd tier prospect or a low first/high 2nd round pick now, groom his replacement either koko or Spooner, (whoever flourishes) and have some control and a better idea what to do in the offseason. If CS stays all year, then leaves for greener pastures, what do the bruins do at 3rd line C for 2014-2015? Go in with an unknown in koko or Spooner, or look outside the organization and keep koko and spooner blocked? Trading soderberg gives them an idea what to do. If koko in an extended 25 game look goes 11-8 19 points, then I'd feel more comfortable with him as my center next year. If he goes 2-3-5, I'd probably look to add a vet.

Soderberg wont get anywhere near 5 mil and you wont get a prospect capable of replacing his game if you deal him.