Proposal: All Bruins Rumours/Proposals 2020 II

[wintersej]

After the TDL, if the 2nd line RW is set combination of Kuhlman/Bjork/Heinen, then I don't see this team winning it. Even with the addition of a Kreider, you still have a massive hole on the right side.

The STL Blues beat the Bruins with Sammy Blais at 2LW. He wasn't a true top 6er... but he FIT and made his line work. I can see Kreider/Krejci/Kuhlman having the same dynamic. Imagine a team exhale seeing the Bergeron line going to the bench only to realize they have the forechecking of Kreider/Kuhlman, DeBrusk/Coyle and Kuraly/Wagner to look forward to. Relentless. Match that with how well our blue line moves the puck, and the Bruins special teams dominance...

 

[BAD BOY]

I wouldn't want to re-sign Palmieri after his current deal. He'll be 30, looking for a long-term contract and we've seen how quickly guys can go downhill in their 30's.

People talk about re-signing Krejci and it makes me very nervous. Like we suddenly forgot we have a $6m player sitting in the minors right now. Krejci will be 34 this season. Backes is 35.

As for Palmieri vs Kreider, IMHO they're both rentals, and even though KP comes with an extra year, that extra year is only relevant if you think Sweeney has a plan to free up $8 or $9m next year so he can bring everyone back and try again. If you think this season is our best shot, you do what it takes to get the player that can have the biggest impact this year.

To be honest, I'm not really sure who that is. I do think Kreider is the better player; he's bigger, faster, more physical, better production in the post-season... but as others* have pointed out, Palmieri is a better fit in the lineup 5on5 and has a better effect on line3. Can Kreider do more for PP1 than Palmieri could do for PP2? That might be the tie breaker for someone focusing on this year.



@Mr. Make-Believe *

Sweeney, has a plan which is great. I’m sure every GM has a great plan. But next year , you just don’t know about injuries and your core players being a year older. But let’s say they play like this next year. The prices at the TDL are always gonna be the same. I think their is that one player that becomes on the market ( Hall) this year ... Stone last year , I think next year will be another good player probably. Just comes a time you do it , hold your nose and say a prayer. You can free up money left and right but if you don’t pull the trigger on something meaningful it’s all just stagnant. Will be saying the same next year and many more.

IMO

 

[TCB]

The STL Blues beat the Bruins with Sammy Blais at 2LW. He wasn't a true top 6er... but he FIT and made his line work. I can see Kreider/Krejci/Kuhlman having the same dynamic. Imagine a team exhale seeing the Bergeron line going to the bench only to realize they have the forechecking of Kreider/Kuhlman, DeBrusk/Coyle and Kuraly/Wagner to look forward to. Relentless. Match that with how well our blue line moves the puck, and the Bruins special teams dominance...

I like it, but it would be nice to add a real banger behind the blue line to go with.

 

[easton117]

If Heinen is holding up a trade for Wayne Simmonds or........well anybody Sweeney should be fired into the sun

Lol like, there’s obviously some limits here. Heinen is fine as a 3rd line winger. But I would hope a deal for a bonafide 2nd liner in Kreider, Palmeri, whoever isn’t being held up because they can’t envision life without him down the line.

Same goes for any of their plethora of 3rd and 4th liners outside of Coyle, just so we’re clear here.

 

[BAD BOY]

If Heinen is holding up a deal of any kind for Kreider this year Sweeney should be fired into the sun.

Worry about next year after this one is done. This club has 2 years max left in it before the wheels fall off.

I think it’s the first rd pk more for a rental.
I would give them prospects and Heinen and try to keep the first rd pick. But the Rangers know they can get a first rounder for Kreider so the hold out begins.

Frederic
Beecher
Stud
Vaak

Are off limits in any deal involving Kreider.

 

[Smitty93]

I wouldn't want to re-sign Palmieri after his current deal. He'll be 30, looking for a long-term contract and we've seen how quickly guys can go downhill in their 30's.

People talk about re-signing Krejci and it makes me very nervous. Like we suddenly forgot we have a $6m player sitting in the minors right now. Krejci will be 34 this season. Backes is 35.

As for Palmieri vs Kreider, IMHO they're both rentals, and even though KP comes with an extra year, that extra year is only relevant if you think Sweeney has a plan to free up $8 or $9m next year so he can bring everyone back and try again. If you think this season is our best shot, you do what it takes to get the player that can have the biggest impact this year.

To be honest, I'm not really sure who that is. I do think Kreider is the better player; he's bigger, faster, more physical, better production in the post-season... but as others* have pointed out, Palmieri is a better fit in the lineup 5on5 and has a better effect on line3. Can Kreider do more for PP1 than Palmieri could do for PP2? That might be the tie breaker for someone focusing on this year.



@Mr. Make-Believe *

Just focusing on one part of your post, and that's the comment about playoff production. I think it's tough projecting that in small sample sizes. Kreider has twice as many playoff games, and his production is about 20% higher on a per game basis. However, Palmieri has been to the playoffs just once in the past five years, so his recent sample size is particularly small.

I remember one of the concerns with Coyle last year was that he was terrible in the playoffs, but he was really good last year.

 

[Bodit9]

If Heinen is holding up a trade for Wayne Simmonds or........well anybody Sweeney should be fired into the sun

Let's fire Sweeney into the sun just for shits and giggles.

 

[easton117]

I think it’s the first rd pk more for a rental.
I would give them prospects and Heinen and try to keep the first rd pick. But the Rangers know they can get a first rounder for Kreider so the hold out begins.

Frederic
Beecher
Stud
Vaak

Are off limits in any deal involving Kreider.

Agreed. I think what I would want to know from the NYR is if Kreider can be negotiated with beforehand. Maybe he really wants to be a Bruin for the next 4 years and thinks 5-6 million per is a livable wage to raise kids on.

If that’s the case saving the first and sending out one of their higher tier prospects then maybe that’s palatable for everyone.

Or maybe Kreider wants to shoot for the moon in FA. Then ya, it’d be a tougher pill to swallow.

In either case I’d want to have the conversation at the very least beforehand

 

[TCB]

Im eating Chinese food watching Marcus Foligno beat Tom Wilson twice in their two fights

doesn’t get much better then that

I want him as well as Palmeiri

Foligno would be sweet and so would Brandon Lemieux, I now he's Claude son but he throws checks and he doesn't turtle like his father.

 

[Lo97]

I always hate the "off the ice" argument, though I don't know how often it's truly the reason a player isn't acquired. You can't tout how great your leadership is and then be worried about what one player will do. If one player is going to ruin the locker room, then it wasn't strong in the first place.

Like others have said, I think the issue is how he plays outside of the offensive zone. I understand that he doesn't fit what they're looking for, but I've always hated that reasoning. You build the system around the players, not the players around the system. It's the thing I like least about the current management group. They've got a type, and if you don't fit that, they're not interested in you. The problem becomes that there are certain holes in your team that can't be filled by the standard Bruins-type of player, so they'll never be filled.

Couldn't agree more with this post. I wish I could like it 100 times.

 

[DKH]

Foligno would be sweet and so would Brandon Lemieux, I now he's Claude son but he throws checks and he doesn't turtle like his father.

Foligno - Frederic- Josh Anderson

I want the Caps to pay for bullying my team



when we were young and our heart was an open book

my boss asked why are you crying ?

I barely could audible ‘they found Horty’

 

[BAD BOY]

Agreed. I think what I would want to know from the NYR is if Kreider can be negotiated with beforehand. Maybe he really wants to be a Bruin for the next 4 years and thinks 5-6 million per is a livable wage to raise kids on.

If that’s the case saving the first and sending out one of their higher tier prospects then maybe that’s palatable for everyone.

Or maybe Kreider wants to shoot for the moon in FA. Then ya, it’d be a tougher pill to swallow.

In either case I’d want to have the conversation at the very least beforehand

I also agree.

 

[Lo97]

I wouldn't want to re-sign Palmieri after his current deal. He'll be 30, looking for a long-term contract and we've seen how quickly guys can go downhill in their 30's.

People talk about re-signing Krejci and it makes me very nervous. Like we suddenly forgot we have a $6m player sitting in the minors right now. Krejci will be 34 this season. Backes is 35.

As for Palmieri vs Kreider, IMHO they're both rentals, and even though KP comes with an extra year, that extra year is only relevant if you think Sweeney has a plan to free up $8 or $9m next year so he can bring everyone back and try again. If you think this season is our best shot, you do what it takes to get the player that can have the biggest impact this year.

To be honest, I'm not really sure who that is. I do think Kreider is the better player; he's bigger, faster, more physical, better production in the post-season... but as others* have pointed out, Palmieri is a better fit in the lineup 5on5 and has a better effect on line3. Can Kreider do more for PP1 than Palmieri could do for PP2? That might be the tie breaker for someone focusing on this year.



@Mr. Make-Believe *

I think Krejci's style of game will age gracefully. He likes to slow it down and cycle and he's not physical so there's less wear and tear. I don't exect him to decline off a cliff like Backes.

 

[BAD BOY]

Im eating Chinese food watching Marcus Foligno beat Tom Wilson twice in their two fights

doesn’t get much better then that

I want him as well as Palmeiri

I was watching Reaves and Kassain
The stinking salary cap. Lol

 

[Blowfish]

It’s very interesting

I’d be willing to dish that 1 for Kreider or Palmeiri but I get they want to keep it

Dan what about a consistent 2 way Center who models himself/aims to be Bergeron. Also very good at the dot and can make this team effective at Center / may not cost arm and leg to get him. Maybe undersized but so is Marchand.

Protects you should one of top centres go down.
Pageau.

 

[KillerMillerTime]

I would say trade Gryz, Moore, Heinen, Nordstrom, Wagner and fetch some 2nd line rw. Its not even giving up much. This team is basically held together by 1.5 line and good defence.

Lol, add a 2020 1st Rd, 2020 2nd Rd, and 2021 2nd Round and substitute Bjork for Wagner AND Nordstrom
while your add it and you will literally be able to get Kreider, Tuch and Boro. Why settle for half a loaf
when you can get a full loaf, haha.

Hey dude, Kreider-Krejci-Tuch
closest Krejci will ever come to Lucic/Horton on his
wings.

 

[SPLBRUIN]

Dan what about a consistent 2 way Center who models himself/aims to be Bergeron. Also very good at the dot and can make this team effective at Center / may not cost arm and leg to get him. Maybe undersized but so is Marchand.

Protects you should one of top centres go down.
Pageau.

No more smurfs are needed on the Bruins, size is still very important in the playoffs.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

I wouldn't want to re-sign Palmieri after his current deal. He'll be 30, looking for a long-term contract and we've seen how quickly guys can go downhill in their 30's.

People talk about re-signing Krejci and it makes me very nervous. Like we suddenly forgot we have a $6m player sitting in the minors right now. Krejci will be 34 this season. Backes is 35.

As for Palmieri vs Kreider, IMHO they're both rentals, and even though KP comes with an extra year, that extra year is only relevant if you think Sweeney has a plan to free up $8 or $9m next year so he can bring everyone back and try again. If you think this season is our best shot, you do what it takes to get the player that can have the biggest impact this year.

To be honest, I'm not really sure who that is. I do think Kreider is the better player; he's bigger, faster, more physical, better production in the post-season... but as others* have pointed out, Palmieri is a better fit in the lineup 5on5 and has a better effect on line3. Can Kreider do more for PP1 than Palmieri could do for PP2? That might be the tie breaker for someone focusing on this year.



@Mr. Make-Believe *

Honestly I am looking forward to this playoff run but all the guys who are up this year or next (Carlo excluded) I am totally prepared to walk away from. In particular Krejci, Rask, and the 2 small D men. 4 very good players all about to get very big contracts and looking for deals as long as possible most likely. Perfection is going nowhere nor is Carlo/McAvoy (less than zero chance of getting any D men back the same age that are better) but everyone else can be used to reshape the roster.

 

[sarge88]

Foligno - Frederic- Josh Anderson

I want the Caps to pay for bullying my team



when we were young and our heart was an open book

my boss asked why are you crying ?

I barely could audible ‘they found Horty’

Captain's practices 2010 ---- my kids didn't have school because of Rosh Hoshana so we went to Ristuccia. Ended up being 3 of about 30 people there and the only kids under 16.

Got autographs from Horton, Looch, Seids, Thornton, Krejci, Stuart, Ference ---- every single guy I just named made my then 7 and 9 year olds feel like they were the most important people in the world!

My daughter still has the picture of her and Krejci on her phone.

Loved that team!

 

[analyser]

I think Krejci's style of game will age gracefully. He likes to slow it down and cycle and he's not physical so there's less wear and tear. I don't exect him to decline off a cliff like Backes.

He does seem to get injured quite often. I wouldn't sign him once his contract is ended.

In addition, DK trade your #1 pick if the deal makes sense. It is not like you have had outstanding results with 1st round picks. Lots of hit and miss prospects.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Kreider for the 2nd line and a big body with speed like Anderson would be a major win for this team.

Marchand/Bergeron
Kreider/Krejci
Coyle/Anderson

Bjork, Debrusk, and Pastrnak for the open slots.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

Kreider for the 2nd line and a big body with speed like Anderson would be a major win for this team.

Marchand/Bergeron
Kreider/Krejci
Coyle/Anderson

Bjork, Debrusk, and Pastrnak for the open slots.

would love that but everyone is saying anderson is staying put.

 

[ON3M4N]

To Boston: Tyler Toffoli
To LA Kings: Danton Heinen + David Backes

Thoughts?

 

[KrejciMVP]

To Boston: Tyler Toffoli
To LA Kings: Danton Heinen + David Backes

Thoughts?

love it for Boston

 

[ON3M4N]

love it for Boston

You'd need to find a LW for Krejci and Toffoli then, that's the only problem. You'd have cap space though, so maybe a guy like Kreider or Zucker

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Kreider/Zucker - Krejci - Toffoli
DeBrusk - Coyle - Bjork

^Not a bad top 9