Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part III

[Rumpy]

If acciari doesn't play again I won't miss him... but he's a 4th liner. 4th liners grind and provide energy and are told don't get scored on. That's their job.

3rd lines are asked to chip in offense. I never see acciari on the 3rd line.

Personally I think Nash and acciari and Moore and schaller and Bligh are all fine 4th liners. I think czarik and vatrano are worth gambling on the 3rd line... when belesky is healthy he will be the 3rd guy on the 3rd line

The black hole for me is Jimmy hayes...

But we already have 14 forwards better than hayes... and we already have 12 guys better than acciari

When healthy

Backes krecji spooner
Pastrnak bergeron marchand
Vatrano czarik belesky
Nash Moore schaller

Does rattle solve our 3rd line center upgrade? Can he play a 4th line grinder role?

If we are talking about a guy like hanzal... or someone that can play backes role and bump him to center than I'm in... otherwise give our kids some growing pains. Rattie doesn't upgrade either spooner or vatrano or czarik or heinen so those are the kids I prioritize

They aren't playing in everybody is healthy fantasy land. What is the line up today? Was Tim Schaller in the top 9 some games? Backes and Belesky can't play tmrw. If everybody is healthy Rattie can be the 13th forward. But right now that isn't the case and if Rattie sucks for 5/10 games what did the Bruins lose? Watching Jimmy Hayes skate around with his brain in outer space? Accari skate hard hit guys and dump it in the corner? Riley Nash win faceoffs and have goals go in off him?

 

[BruinDust]

If acciari doesn't play again I won't miss him... but he's a 4th liner. 4th liners grind and provide energy and are told don't get scored on. That's their job.

3rd lines are asked to chip in offense. I never see acciari on the 3rd line.

Personally I think Nash and acciari and Moore and schaller and Bligh are all fine 4th liners. I think czarik and vatrano are worth gambling on the 3rd line... when belesky is healthy he will be the 3rd guy on the 3rd line

The black hole for me is Jimmy hayes...

But we already have 14 forwards better than hayes... and we already have 12 guys better than acciari

When healthy

Backes krecji spooner
Pastrnak bergeron marchand
Vatrano czarik belesky
Nash Moore schaller

Does rattle solve our 3rd line center upgrade? Can he play a 4th line grinder role?

If we are talking about a guy like hanzal... or someone that can play backes role and bump him to center than I'm in... otherwise give our kids some growing pains. Rattie doesn't upgrade either spooner or vatrano or czarik or heinen so those are the kids I prioritize

Your talking about where Rattie fits with a completely healthy line-up, which Boston hasn't had this season, and likely won't have at any point with 40 games left.

I'm talking about giving Rattie a look while your missing some guys you rely on for scoring like Backes and Belesky, not where he fits in some hypothetical situation that isn't likely to pass.

Speaking of Heinen, we've seen what he can do right now, and it's not much either. He's had a chance, leave him in Providence for now.

I've had the debate about how to construct a successful bottom-six forward group here in 2017, too many times now, and having a 2-3 "energy players" who can't put the puck in the ocean is not it, believe whatever you want.

 

[PB37]

Ok, fair enough, honestly you probably know a lot more about Rattie than I do (I don't know much honestly).

But back to Acciari. Sure he looks to initiate plays, and you say his understanding of how to play hockey is good.

Meanwhile, he can't score at this level, does generate offense, doesn't generate shots. Heck even Riley Nash generates shots and scoring chances from time to time.

So he my look to initiate plays, but he doesn't actually make many. And sorry if your an NHL forward and can't score a single goal in almost 40 games, averages less than one shot/per game, your understanding of how to play hockey from an offensive standpoint is not very high. Sure the guy plays his position fairly well, hits, and is a good teammate, but since when did that combined with absolutely zero offense be good enough to qualify as an effective NHL forward?

If we're going to revamp the RW spot on the 4th line, I would want a better player than Rattie, who I don't think is an upgrade over Acciari. Rattie is the more skilled player, but he's done nothing with it at the NHL level. He has 1 shot in 4 games. 1 shot. Acciari doesn't bring anything offensively, but he also doesn't hurt you in other areas either. Until one of our prospects is ready to get that cup of coffee or we make a trade for a better player, I don't see the infatuation with collecting other team's fringe players while we have several of our own that either need more time, put in better positions that suit their talent, or go the way of Landon Ferraro.

 

[Gordoff]

No one said he's the answer this team's scoring woes.

His 4 goals is 4 more than Acciari his in his career, in about 1/3 the games.

His 4 goals in 13 games last season is still 3 more than Nash in almost 4 times the games this season.

What exactly is the risk here Vedder? This costs Boston virtually nothing. If it doesn't work, or make no difference, it's no big deal.

Surely you can't believe status quo is any better.

My assessment is true period.

Than again, the support I see on this board for guys like Acciari and Nash is borderline insane.

My comment says a lot more about the Bruins forwards than it does Ty Rattie.

But if you want to live in delusion believing somehow Nash, Acciari, or Hayes are better options, than so be it.

I've never seen a group of fans so against actual goal scoring talent in my life. I guess a decade of Claude hockey believing that how a guy defends is all that really matters has finally gotten to a few folks around here.

I'm with you B-Dust. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. All of the know it all and geniuses who think that Sweeney/Neely are doing a bang up job by sitting on their hands while hiding in their closets are fooling themselves. The feeling I get is that they're hiding from making any quick decisions no matter even if it's Geno Malkin for Nash and Hayes they'd worry that there's a 1% chance that Malkin may get a bad Filet O' Fish on the flight here and miss 3 games because of food poisoning. FFS Sweeney, pick up the phone, send an email, do something to show that you're still awake!

 

[BruinDust]

If we're going to revamp the RW spot on the 4th line, I would want a better player than Rattie, who I don't think is an upgrade over Acciari. Rattie is the more skilled player, but he's done nothing with it at the NHL level. He has 1 shot in 4 games. 1 shot. Acciari doesn't bring anything offensively, but he also doesn't hurt you in other areas either. Until one of our prospects is ready to get that cup of coffee or we make a trade for a better player, I don't see the infatuation with collecting other team's fringe players while we have several of our own that either need more time, put in better positions that suit their talent, or go the way of Landon Ferraro.

I think that's fair.

But your not really looking to revamp anything. Claim him, give him some time on a number of lines, give him a handful of games while some key forwards are out, and see what he can do. If he sticks (and likely he won't) and carves out a niche, then figure it out then. Chances are he's Seth Griffith 2.0, but I'm OK with the Bruins finding out first-hand.

 

[Gordoff]

I think that's fair.

But your not really looking to revamp anything. Claim him, give him some time on a number of lines, give him a handful of games while some key forwards are out, and see what he can do. If he sticks (and likely he won't) and carvesk a niche, then figure it out then. Chances are he's Seth Griffith 2.0, but I'm OK with the Bruins finding out first-hand.

Getting a kick out of how many here think that Sweeneely has a plan. They're afraid! They're afraid of making a move, of not making a move, of making the playoffs and not winning a game, of not making the playoffs. They're hiding, I've seen it in business and in life in general. The best way to lose is to let fear rule your decisions and IMO they're afraid.

 

[BruinDust]

I'm with you B-Dust. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. All of the know it all and geniuses who think that Sweeney/Neely are doing a bang up job by sitting on their hands while hiding in their closets are fooling themselves. The feeling I get is that they're hiding from making any quick decisions no matter even if it's Geno Malkin for Nash and Hayes they'd worry that there's a 1% chance that Malkin may get a bad Filet O' Fish on the flight here and miss 3 games because of food poisoning. FFS Sweeney, pick up the phone, send an email, do something to show that you're still awake!

I've done my fair share of criticizing Sweeney, but I'll give him this much. It's a tough environment to make deals right now, especially hockey trades.

Fact is, he can't take on money past this season given what is already allocated, and the raises for Spooner and Pastrnak, without moving money out. Sure perhaps he can shed some of that money to LV or elsewhere, but he can't count on it, and has to plan as if he could end up stuck not being able to move anyone out and now get caught with his pants down a bit trying to negotiate new deals for 51 and 88 but having minimal cap space to work with.

Other teams are in the same boat, with young ELC guys now needing new deals. No one wants to take on term, so it's trade gridlock.

But their is waivers, there is demotions/promotions between Providence and Boston, something.

 

[bbfan419]

I think the big thing is we need a change in both personnel on the ice and coaching. The game has changed, the days of the big tough stay at home slow D men and big lumbering slow skating forwards are over, it is now about speed and skill that wins. Penalties are called now for barely nothing whereas a few years ago they would never have called 75% of what is called today, so this team needs to change its approach or they will be on the outside looking in more often than not. This means trades for sure, but also Claude has to go, he is a dinosaur and refuses to see the game has evolved into something different than he can deal with. Sacco also needs to go, horrible coach even as an assistant this guy is one of the worst we have ever had.

 

[chizzler]

Getting a kick out of how many here think that Sweeneely has a plan. They're afraid! They're afraid of making a move, of not making a move, of making the playoffs and not winning a game, of not making the playoffs. They're hiding, I've seen it in business and in life in general. The best way to lose is to let fear rule your decisions and IMO they're afraid.

How many trades you see going down with other teams? Are they afraid too?

 

[ODAAT]

How many trades you see going down with other teams? Are they afraid too?

exactly, I`d be far more convinced DS is sitting on his hands if other teams were wheelin and dealin but there is nothing going on and I suspect this to be the case until just before the deadline.

I`m probably one who`s in the minority here who doesn`t want to see DS divert from what I believe is his plan, draft smart, draft well, develop well and either promote that prospect to the NHL which will keep costs down and/or use those prospects to make a deal to help fill a hole in the lineup.

 

[DominicT]

3 Things plus an edit

1) I have a feeling something will happen sooner than later
2) I have a feeling everyone here will love the guy(s) coming Boston's way
3) I have a feeling everyone will be alright with the price paid.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't say everyone because there will be a few that will moan, just because they like to moan.

 

[Ratty]

1) I have a feeling something will happen sooner than later
2) I have a feeling everyone here will love the guy(s) coming Boston's way
3) I have a feeling everyone will be alright with the price paid.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't say everyone because there will be a few that will moan, just because they like to moan.

C'mon, Dom, don't do that to us!!

At least a small hint. F or D?

 

[ODAAT]

1) I have a feeling something will happen sooner than later
2) I have a feeling everyone here will love the guy(s) coming Boston's way
3) I have a feeling everyone will be alright with the price paid.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't say everyone because there will be a few that will moan, just because they like to moan.

OT a bit Dom but have you been able to watch Senyshyn recently since his cut from the Junior team? I see the stat line but wondering how he`s playing outside of strictly offensively.

Thanks

 

[DominicT]

C'mon, Dom, don't do that to us!!

At least a small hint. F or D?

OT a bit Dom but have you been able to watch Senyshyn recently since his cut from the Junior team? I see the stat line but wondering how he`s playing outside of strictly offensively.

Thanks

Seen him live once, and seen every other game on TV.

Three prospects I have the least worries about: McAvoy, Senyshyn and Lindgren

and even more OT: I watch every single OHL game from the start of the year to the Memorial Cup, either live or on video.

 

[Ratty]

Haggs (take it for what it's worth) mentions interest in Landeskog. I'd love it. Price would be high, though, top prospects.

 

[Rumpy]

Seen him live once, and seen every other game on TV.

Three prospects I have the least worries about: McAvoy, Senyshyn and Lindgren

and even more OT: I watch every single OHL game from the start of the year to the Memorial Cup, either live or on video.

Interesting would have thought JFK made the top 3

 

[Rumpy]

1) I have a feeling something will happen sooner than later
2) I have a feeling everyone here will love the guy(s) coming Boston's way
3) I have a feeling everyone will be alright with the price paid.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't say everyone because there will be a few that will moan, just because they like to moan.

Please do share more! Even if it's a quick PM as you don't want slander if nothing happens ...

 

[ODAAT]

Seen him live once, and seen every other game on TV.

Three prospects I have the least worries about: McAvoy, Senyshyn and Lindgren

and even more OT: I watch every single OHL game from the start of the year to the Memorial Cup, either live or on video.

I need your job

Sounds like you need a personal assistant, Mrs Odaat and I can bolt for Ontario in less than 2 hours, give us the word

Thanks

 

[ODAAT]

Haggs (take it for what it's worth) mentions interest in Landeskog. I'd love it. Price would be high, though, top prospects.

I`m sure there`s plenty of interest in Landeskog, question is, to the Avs even entertain moving him?

 

[Rumpy]

Haggs (take it for what it's worth) mentions interest in Landeskog. I'd love it. Price would be high, though, top prospects.

He would fit the character mold the Bruins seem to love and value. His game would also be appreciated by Bruins fans. Can't imagine the cost though ?!? Spooner and Zboril? Spooner Miller and ?!?

 

[Lord Ahriman]

1) I have a feeling something will happen sooner than later
2) I have a feeling everyone here will love the guy(s) coming Boston's way
3) I have a feeling everyone will be alright with the price paid.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't say everyone because there will be a few that will moan, just because they like to moan.

Dom, do you think they are going to trade picks? I'm especially worried about our first pick because at the current state I believe it would be a top 10 choice.

 

[DominicT]

Haggs (take it for what it's worth) mentions interest in Landeskog. I'd love it. Price would be high, though, top prospects.

Interesting would have thought JFK made the top 3

I only named my top 3 because Odaat mentioned Senyshyn, and I had to get Lindgren on there.

I need your job

Sounds like you need a personal assistant, Mrs Odaat and I can bolt for Ontario in less than 2 hours, give us the word

If you work for free okay. I don't get paid and no one is sending money my way

Thanks

I`m sure there`s plenty of interest in Landeskog, question is, to the Avs even entertain moving him?

Do you really want an answer to that question?

 

[Greek_physique]

Interested to see who we can acquire.

Ideally, I'd love a top 6 forward...however I'd even be happy to pickup someone like Nieto, who's been a healthy scratch the past 7 or 8 games.

 

[ODAAT]

I only named my top 3 because Odaat mentioned Senyshyn, and I had to get Lindgren on there.





Do you really want an answer to that question?

Yes I do, I can take it, PM/Text/Email or page me, my assistant is awaiting your call

 

[ODAAT]

Dom, do you think they are going to trade picks? I'm especially worried about our first pick because at the current state I believe it would be a top 10 choice.

I think Sweeney moves a few of our current prospects, the cupboard appears pretty full of kids that have some nice potential and some that other teams would be interested in having

I don`t think the B`s will move a draft pick upcoming, just assets they already have