Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part III

[BruinDust]

Don't get me wrong, Landeskog is a good player, but he's not a great player, and not a guy you sell the farm for. He might be the most overrated top 5 pick since Evander Kane. He's not a guy you build around, he just gets a pass from many based on his draft pedigree.

I wouldn't give up the over-payment Colorado would ask to move him.

And if Boston is looking to invest ANOTHER 6 million per long-term, it had better not be on another winger.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

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The Av's aren't seriously looking at moving Landeskog, are they? Seems like a bum move for them.

I love the guy and would take him here in a heartbeat. But I uh... I don't know. I don't see them ditching the guy.

 

[BruinsFanMike82]

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The Av's aren't seriously looking at moving Landeskog, are they? Seems like a bum move for them.

I love the guy and would take him here in a heartbeat. But I uh... I don't know. I don't see them ditching the guy.

From Elliotte Friedman (12/31/16):

“But what Colorado has apparently told people is, ‘Don’t ask us about Nathan MacKinnon and don’t ask us about Mikko Rantanen,’ who was their No. 1 pick last year.

“Now, if you’re asking about a Duchene or a Landeskog, from what I understand, teams have been told: ‘Look. We’re not giving these guys away because we’re panicking. If you want to come at us with young defensemen – good, young defensemen or good, young defensive prospects – we are prepared to listen.’

“But the packages are going to have to be big, because they look at both Duchene and Landeskog and see good players signed to good contracts."

http://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/nhl-insiders-delve-woes-colorado-avalanche/

 

[Coach Parker]

From Elliotte Friedman (12/31/16):


http://www.fanragsports.com/nhl/nhl-insiders-delve-woes-colorado-avalanche/

I wouldn't hesitate to move any defensive prospect (not named McAvoy) and Spooner + for Landeskog. I think he would do wonders for Krejci.

 

[Pia8988]

I wouldn't hesitate to move any defensive prospect (not named McAvoy) and Spooner + for Landeskog. I think he would do wonders for Krejci.

Spooner + 1 of Lauzon/Zboril/Lindgren ect + 1 of McQuaid/Miller for money purposes for Landeskog. I think that would be pretty good for Boston in the long run. I would think Colorado may want a little more, maybe add in another exempt prospect?

Landeskog also being signed 4 more years under 6 million is nice.

 

[BruinDust]

With the Backes injury I've decided to revamp my latest proposal.

If Sweeney can't make a trade, and he won't fire the coach, he needs to do something. He needs to makes some moves internally.

Waive/demote Hayes, Acciari, Nash, Kevan Miller, and Khudobin

Promote Debrusk, Cehlarik, Randell, Cross, and McIntyre

Randell and Cross are placeholders for injured veterans Backes, Belesky, and Liles and would be healthy scratches/spare players

Inject this team with as much skill and speed as possible for now. They've tried Heinen, time to see what other 1st year pros Cehlarik and Debrusk can do.

Kevan Miller off this team is addition by subtraction. Morrow takes his place in the line-up at least for now.

McIntyre replacing Khudobin needs no explanation.

They've tried it with a cast of Claude Julien-style players, and it has resulted in a team with the most regulation losses in the east and certainly trending towards a 3rd straight playoff DNQ. Time for speed and skill to be given a try.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Spooner - Krejci - Cehlarik
Debrusk - Czarnik - Vatrano
Schaller - Moore - Blidh

Extra: Randell

Chara - Carlo
Krug - Colin
Morrow - McQuaid

Extra: Cross

Rask
McIntyre

 

[Pia8988]

With the Backes injury I've decided to revamp my latest proposal.

If Sweeney can't make a trade, and he won't fire the coach, he needs to do something. He needs to makes some moves internally.

Waive/demote Hayes, Acciari, Nash, Kevan Miller, and Khudobin

Promote Debrusk, Cehlarik, Randell, Cross, and McIntyre

Randell and Cross are placeholders for injured veterans Backes, Belesky, and Liles and would be healthy scratches/spare players

Inject this team with as much skill and speed as possible for now. They've tried Heinen, time to see what other 1st year pros Cehlarik and Debrusk can do.

Kevan Miller off this team is addition by subtraction. Morrow takes his place in the line-up at least for now.

McIntyre replacing Khudobin needs no explanation.

They've tried it with a cast of Claude Julien-style players, and it has resulted in a team with the most regulation losses in the east and certainly trending towards a 3rd straight playoff DNQ. Time for speed and skill to be given a try.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Spooner - Krejci - Cehlarik
Debrusk - Czarnik - Vatrano
Schaller - Moore - Blidh

Extra: Randell

Chara - Carlo
Krug - Colin
Morrow - McQuaid

Extra: Cross

Rask
McIntyre

I would leave Debrusk in Providence for the majority of the year. No need to rush him, he isn't lighting it up like Pastrnak was.

Cross is the captain down there. I would leave him there as well.

I do agree Cehlarik should be next. With Backes out and he should be healthy again, give him a shot.

D pairs are fine. I was a bit reluctant to have Krug with Colin, but they've played good together and it seems Colin is getting more and more trust from Julien.

Completely ignores the forwards for expansion draft

Nash, Hayes, Beleskey. 2 of those 3 will be exposed most likely to fill the requirements.

From that forward list

NMC -
Backes
Bergeron
Krejci

Exempt -
Cehlarik
Debrusk
Czarnik
Vatrano
Blidh

UFA -
Moore

Exposable -
Marchand
Schaller (Must be given QO) Also need 5 more GP
Spooner
Pastrnak
Beleskey

Hayes and Nash will be around all year. Nash was explicitly signed for the expansion requirement.

 

[JRull86]

With the Backes injury I've decided to revamp my latest proposal.

If Sweeney can't make a trade, and he won't fire the coach, he needs to do something. He needs to makes some moves internally.

Waive/demote Hayes, Acciari, Nash, Kevan Miller, and Khudobin

Promote Debrusk, Cehlarik, Randell, Cross, and McIntyre

Randell and Cross are placeholders for injured veterans Backes, Belesky, and Liles and would be healthy scratches/spare players

Inject this team with as much skill and speed as possible for now. They've tried Heinen, time to see what other 1st year pros Cehlarik and Debrusk can do.

Kevan Miller off this team is addition by subtraction. Morrow takes his place in the line-up at least for now.

McIntyre replacing Khudobin needs no explanation.

They've tried it with a cast of Claude Julien-style players, and it has resulted in a team with the most regulation losses in the east and certainly trending towards a 3rd straight playoff DNQ. Time for speed and skill to be given a try.

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Spooner - Krejci - Cehlarik
Debrusk - Czarnik - Vatrano
Schaller - Moore - Blidh

Extra: Randell

Chara - Carlo
Krug - Colin
Morrow - McQuaid

Extra: Cross

Rask
McIntyre

In a perfect world a lot of this makes sense, but you're forgetting about/ignoring the expansion draft.

One of McQuaid/Miller will be claimed by Vegas I'd guess. And they need Hayes, Nash, Khudobin to meet the exposure requirements. There's a reason Nash and Khudobin got two year deals. Admittedly, when thinking of how to fix the team, I was forgetting this earlier as well.

Hayes, Khudobin, Nash and one of McQuaid/KMiller if they are both still here post expansion draft should be waived/traded immediately.

I'm done with Acciari though. Definition of JAG.

EDIT: Looks like Pia8988 beat me to it.

Though I do have a question, maybe Dom or some of our other CBA knowledgeable posters can answer it. If the Bruins waive someone like Hayes, and he isn't claimed, can they still expose him to Vegas? I'd assume yes?

 

[BruinDust]

In a perfect world a lot of this makes sense, but you're forgetting about/ignoring the expansion draft.

One of McQuaid/Miller will be claimed by Vegas I'd guess. And they need Hayes, Nash, Khudobin to meet the exposure requirements. There's a reason Nash and Khudobin got two year deals. Admittedly, when thinking of how to fix the team, I was forgetting this earlier as well.

Hayes, Khudobin, Nash and one of McQuaid/KMiller if they are both still here post expansion draft should be waived/traded immediately.

I'm done with Acciari though. Definition of JAG.

EDIT: Looks like Pia8988 beat me to it.

Though I do have a question, maybe Dom or some of our other CBA knowledgeable posters can answer it. If the Bruins waive someone like Hayes, and he isn't claimed, can they still expose him to Vegas? I'd assume yes?

Oh I didn't forget the expansion draft, but I sure as heck ignored it.

Because sometimes I wonder if Hayes and Khudobin are still here solely because of it.

And as much as the expansion draft is a concern, this team shouldn't be carrying dead weight throughout this season on it's NHL roster to satisfy it.

And my suggestion is solely to improve the team today, doesn't even consider how the roster will look post-expansion.

So there is a risk by waiving these guys some of them get claimed. And with in particular Khudobin, the risk I think is very real. They don't need Kevan Miller for the expansion draft requirements (McQuaid alone satisfies those). I can't see any team claiming Nash or Hayes off waivers.

To answer your CBA question, if they clear waivers and are assigned to Providence they still satisfy the expansion requirements for the Bruins.

Also keep in mind that if Tim Schaller can 19 more games in and gets extended one-year (shouldn't be hard to do) he also satisfies the requirements, freeing up one of Nash or Hayes to be moved.

So to me the only real risk here is Khudobin. And I think if they extend Subban for one-year, he can satisfy the requirements for the exposed goaltender, and given the way he's developed, that's no risk at all. (If LV claimed Subban I wouldn't even flinch).

So to me, worst-case, both Nash and Hayes get claimed off waivers and now the Bruins need to find another forward to meet the requirements. And as I said earlier, I can't see one of them getting claimed, let alone 2.

 

[BruinDust]

I would leave Debrusk in Providence for the majority of the year. No need to rush him, he isn't lighting it up like Pastrnak was.

Cross is the captain down there. I would leave him there as well.

I do agree Cehlarik should be next. With Backes out and he should be healthy again, give him a shot.

D pairs are fine. I was a bit reluctant to have Krug with Colin, but they've played good together and it seems Colin is getting more and more trust from Julien.

Completely ignores the forwards for expansion draft

Nash, Hayes, Beleskey. 2 of those 3 will be exposed most likely to fill the requirements.

From that forward list

NMC -
Backes
Bergeron
Krejci

Exempt -
Cehlarik
Debrusk
Czarnik
Vatrano
Blidh

UFA -
Moore

Exposable -
Marchand
Schaller (Must be given QO) Also need 5 more GP
Spooner
Pastrnak
Beleskey

Hayes and Nash will be around all year. Nash was explicitly signed for the expansion requirement.

This team needs an injection of skill and speed. Giving Debrusk a cup of coffee to see what he can do with it is a none issue. He's been very good and productive his last 10 AHL games. It's no different than giving a 1st year pro like a Heinen a shot. Give him a few games while some guys are injured see what the kid can do. If he doesn't cut the mustard right now send him back down. Your not calling him up and telling him to go find a place to live. Same with Cehlarik.

I think Cross might already be up with the big club. And him being AHL captain is inconsequential. It's not that big of a deal. Better Cross than say Gryz or O'Gara who should be playing. If you want to swap Cross out for say Alex Grant, than fine.

And see my previous post regarding expansion. It's a consideration but in the overall scheme it shouldn't justify Boston keeping the dead weight like Nash, Hayes, Kevan or Khudobin on their roster any longer. Say all of them somehow got claimed on waivers (unlikely), Boston still has McQuaid for the D requirments, qualify Subban and you satisfy the G requirements, Schaller with 19 more NHL games and qualifying offer satisfies one forward, so worst-case they have to acquire a 2nd forward who meets the requirements. Not the end of the world by any means.

 

[Dabruins]

Interesting, though lengthy, article by Fox Sports on the current Bruins state of affairs.

www.foxsports.com/nhl/story/boston-bruins-how-the-bruins-can-escape-hockey-purgatory-122916

Great read. I agree with the writer on almost everything.

 

[KlausJopling]

Trade for Ty Rattie please. Not sure what it would take?

Rattie is on waivers. http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/01/03/blues-place-rattie-on-waivers/

 

[BruinDust]

Rattie is on waivers. http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/01/03/blues-place-rattie-on-waivers/

I'd put in a claim if I was Sweeney.

 

[Fenian24]

I'd put in a claim if I was Sweeney.

Better than Hayes in every way. Send Lil' Jimmy to Providence.

 

[Rumpy]

Rattie is on waivers. http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/01/03/blues-place-rattie-on-waivers/

If he makes it to the Bruins and they don't take him over the no talent bums they have on this roster it's inexcusable.

 

[Sheppy]

Rattie is on waivers. http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2017/01/03/blues-place-rattie-on-waivers/

Interesting...

 

[BruinDust]

Better than Hayes in every way. Send Lil' Jimmy to Providence.

I'd wager he's better than about 1/3 the forward group as it stands today.

 

[Ratty]

Young RW with a goalscoring history in Juniors and AHL. Claim him. I'd suggest fellow scratch Joe Morrow as comp. but Blues don't need a D-man. Nash perhaps?

Only making 650k. Change of scenery candidate? If it doesn't work out in a dozen or so games, waive him again.

 

[PB37]

There's a reason why he's being waived. The kid is not very good on the pro stage. I don't see a reason why other team's garbage is somehow better than ours nor do I see the need to collect projects at this point without finishing ours.

 

[BruinDust]

There's a reason why he's being waived. The kid is not very good on the pro stage. I don't see a reason why other team's garbage is somehow better than ours nor do I see the need to collect projects at this point without finishing ours.

This team needs scoring help.

You can't tell me that this team wouldn't be better giving Rattie a shot instead of No-Goal Acciari (who doesn't need waivers to go to Providence), in particular while a couple of guys expected to help score (Belesky and Backes) are out. It's not like claiming him is some sort of massive risk or the Bruins would be forced to waive their own assets to bring him in.

 

[PB37]

This team needs scoring help.

You can't tell me that this team wouldn't be better giving Rattie a shot instead of No-Goal Acciari (who doesn't need waivers to go to Providence), in particular while a couple of guys expected to help score (Belesky and Backes) are out. It's not like claiming him is some sort of massive risk or the Bruins would be forced to waive their own assets to bring him in.

The team needs scoring help, but looking for that in a guy who's almost 24 and has a whopping 4 goals in the NHL is not the answer. He has not shown that he can stick; he's an NHL/AHL tweener. Like I said, we have our own Rattie's and even took one in last year ( Ferraro ) that we dumped at the end of the year.

 

[Bad Puck Bounce]

The team needs scoring help, but looking for that in a guy who's almost 24 and has a whopping 4 goals in the NHL is not the answer. He has not shown that he can stick; he's an NHL/AHL tweener. Like I said, we have our own Rattie's and even took one in last year ( Ferraro ) that we dumped at the end of the year.

I'm with you, Rattie is just not a NHL player. People got frustrated with your example in Ferraro last year and I feel Rattie would be a duplicate of him. Sure, he'd be an upgrade over Hayes, but is it really worth wasting a contract spot on a player that's an extremely small upgrade over what already exists on the Bruins?

Rattie is a bit of a mystery box, and I guess that's whats enticing about him, but I see no real upgrade, at least short term. Boston needs real upgrades for real issues, not side grades and guessing games. Gambles at this point end up costing people their jobs in my opinion.

 

[Rumpy]

The team needs scoring help, but looking for that in a guy who's almost 24 and has a whopping 4 goals in the NHL is not the answer. He has not shown that he can stick; he's an NHL/AHL tweener. Like I said, we have our own Rattie's and even took one in last year ( Ferraro ) that we dumped at the end of the year.

I saw Rattie play 4/5 times in junior and he was far and away the best player on the ice. Better than Morrow/Pouliot/Johansson on a very good Winterhawks team. Maybe it didn't and never will translate to the NHL but for him to only be in one organization and a very deep one compared to the crap roster Boston has now he is worth every second of a look.

Worst case scenario he is another Brett Connolly. Best case scenario he is a Ben Pouliot who was good/decent his year in Boston and better than 1/2 of the current steaming garbage they put out.

The difference between Rattie Accari/Blidh/Nash/Schaller/Kuraly and even Moore is his ceiling was and is 10x higher.

I also think he would compliment Spooner or Krecji with offensive creativity much like Vatrano has lately and maybe push Czarnik.

 

[CellyHard]

There's a reason why he's being waived. The kid is not very good on the pro stage. I don't see a reason why other team's garbage is somehow better than ours nor do I see the need to collect projects at this point without finishing ours.

Clearly he hasn't produced at the pro level or else he wouldn't of been waived...but he's shown the ability in other levels. There has been some successful NHL players that came off waivers. I hope Sweeney is looking at all alternatives on the trade market and waivers to improve this team.

He's 23, has played only 4 games this year, right handed shot that could fill in for Backes and had a 30 goal year in the AHL. Could be worth a flier. I'm all for those Landon Ferraro esq pickups that can catch fire and bring some life to the team.

 

[PB37]

I saw Rattie play 4/5 times in junior and he was far and away the best player on the ice. Better than Morrow/Pouliot/Johansson. Maybe it didn't translate but for him to only be in one organization and a very very deep one compared to the crap roster Boston has now he is worth every second of a chance.

Worst case scenario he is another Brett Connolly. Best case scenario he is a Ben Pouliot who was good with his year in Boston and better than 1/2 of the current steaming garbage they put out.

IMO Rattie's best case IS Brett Connolly, who already has over 200 games in the NHL at 24. I just don't think there's a redemption story in Rattie. He's another Emerson Etem - a kid who had a fantastic junior career but now is just another dime a dozen skilled player who couldn't take that extra step to stick in the NHL.