Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part II

[BruinDust]

Nash's a pretty decent penalty killer. One of the reasons Bruins have third best PK in the league right now.

True, but capable penalty killers are a dime-a-dozen. There is nothing special there that justifies keeping JAG Nash around.

 

[BruinDust]

The since the Bruins don't have a trade-able 2nd round pick this year (2017) Wouldn't it make the most sense to get back a second for Spooner and move on?
Seems to me Donny is afraid to move him and then have him tear up the league for his new team. This is a conundrum for Sweeney because it feels as though that's pretty much all they're gonna get for Spoons.

On one hand I agree, but at the same time, even the way things are going, the Bruins are still probably better off with Spooner in their line-up than to ship him elsewhere as the 2nd doesn't help a whole lot now. Sure perhaps you can use the 2nd at the deadline to bring someone else in, but how many points does it cost you along the way having no Spooner. As bad as things are going, he does have some production.

Perhaps it's something that is best revisited at the deadline. Personally given his small cap hit, the market for Spooner opens up more at the deadline as to a contender with minimal cap space to work with, Spooner now has more value as he is easily fit in under the cap. Especially if all the Bruins are going to get back are futures.

 

[Sharp Shooting Neely]

Colorado's Erik Johnson broke his leg last night and will very likely be out for an extended period of time. They aren't having a good season by any means and may not feel a need to make a knee jerk move. If they did however want to make a move might a Bruins D be of interest as an trade option for them? Assume that Chara is close to returning and the prognosis for Liles is favourable.

 

[Dr Hook]

Colorado's Jack Johnson broke his leg last night and will very likely be out for an extended period of time. They aren't having a good season by any means and may not feel a need to make a knee jerk move. If they did however want to make a move might a Bruins D be of interest as an trade option for them? Assume that Chara is close to returning and the prognosis for Liles is favourable.

Dare we dream that they might think McQuaid a good option for them in this case?

 

[sarge88]

The only value Jimmy Hayes has right now to another team is he would help a team meet the exposed player criteria as he already has his 70 games in.

Trade him to the Rangers so he can snuggle with his brother and Vesey in front of the fire this Christmas.

 

[Ratty]

Dare we dream that they might think McQuaid a good option for them in this case?

Sounds perfect in theory. Problem is, Avs have only ~1.3 mil in cap space. We could, though, offer to take back another contract.

 

[Dr Hook]

Sounds perfect in theory. Problem is, Avs have only ~1.3 mil in cap space. We could, though, offer to take back another contract.

So we'd have to take back someone in the 1.7m range? Who do the Avs have that we would find useful at that price that Colorado would see as value for McQuaid?

 

[Ratty]

So we'd have to take back someone in the 1.7m range? Who do the Avs have that we would find useful at that price that Colorado would see as value for McQuaid?

Mikko Rantanen?

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I know it's fun to dream, but you're all completely out of your minds if you see this team parting with McQuaid any time in the near future. It has been made terribly obvious by both coaching and management that he's a vital player to them. Don't agree with it, as most of us do not here, but they wouldn't give him up for anything but a massive overpayment from another team which is just not going to happen.

 

[wintersej]

On one hand I agree, but at the same time, even the way things are going, the Bruins are still probably better off with Spooner in their line-up than to ship him elsewhere as the 2nd doesn't help a whole lot now. Sure perhaps you can use the 2nd at the deadline to bring someone else in, but how many points does it cost you along the way having no Spooner. As bad as things are going, he does have some production.

Perhaps it's something that is best revisited at the deadline. Personally given his small cap hit, the market for Spooner opens up more at the deadline as to a contender with minimal cap space to work with, Spooner now has more value as he is easily fit in under the cap. Especially if all the Bruins are going to get back are futures.

If you are just going to get futures for Spooner, might as well wait until after the expansion draft to move him.

 

[wintersej]

I know it's fun to dream, but you're all completely out of your minds if you see this team parting with McQuaid any time in the near future. It has been made terribly obvious by both coaching and management that he's a vital player to them. Don't agree with it, as most of us do not here, but they wouldn't give him up for anything but a massive overpayment from another team which is just not going to happen.

Only D to see his minutes go down since Chara went out.

 

[BruinDust]

If you are just going to get futures for Spooner, might as well wait until after the expansion draft to move him.

Agree, depends on where the Bruins are at the deadline.

Only thing is his value might be slightly higher at the deadline than just before the expansion draft.

But the Bruins are still better off with Spooner than without unless he begins to find himself upstairs watching more often than not.

 

[DominicT]

Does it matter Dom, they never seem to make a significant move in this time period anyway.

No, I have already given my opinion on it. Don't think a deal happens before the roster freeze.

However, it gives us a week of silence.

I attended a game last night in Owen Sound with someone from an NHL team. I wanted to go to Hamilton and introduce him to Reed, but he insisted on Owen Sound because there was a player playing his team's scouting department is all over and he wanted to check him out for himself.

Among a lot of things we discussed were trades, or the lack of them. Basically, there are around 20 teams that would like to make some sort of deal, but have less than $2 million in cap space - 8 of which will be over the cap with LTIR. Those teams are finding it hard to make a deal happen and the few teams that are willing to move players, those 20 teams can't afford to add them.

He suggested that as the season goes on and player's remaining cap hit comes down, he expects to see more movement than usual.

 

[Absurdity]

I've been thinking about potential Spooner deals, and there are always a few things to consider:

1. The biggest question coming into this season was how well the defense would be. 25 games in, improving the offense is much more of a priority. Kudos to Cassidy and the defense for upping their game.

2. Prospects, prospects, prospects. Heinen has 12 pts in 11 games in Providence and has proven in his 7 game stint with the big club that he can play at that level. Cehlarik has 12pts in 13 games in Providence. Prospects like Bjork, Senyshyn, Gabrielle, Federic, and JFK have all been progressing nicely. Vatrano is almost healthy as well.

The point? Although not every prospect will be a hit to make the Bruins, acquiring a player that has term left or a younger player to add to the prospect pool will just crowd up the open positions available in the near future for the prospects that are ready to make the next jump.

So here is my proposal:
Spooner + Hayes (cap reasons) + prospect for Sharp + 2017 Dallas 3rd

Although Sharp is currently on IR and has struggled only having 2pts in 11 games, the Bruins will only be making a 1-year commitment for a player that has won multiple Stanley Cups and scored 55pts last season. The idea is that you hope Sharp catches lightning in a bottle by playing with Krejci. In the worst case, you add a veteran winger for depth on your 3rd line for 1 season. The Bruins also add a 3rd rounder that they don't have this season. The Bruins also get rid of Hayes. Here is what the Bruins top 9 can look like when everyone is healthy:

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Vatrano - Krejci - Sharp
Beleskey/Call-up - Backes - Czarnik/Call-up

Dallas does this deal because they currently have Korpikoski and Cody Eakin, centering Benn and he who shall not be named, in their top 6. With an offensive system, Spooner can thrive. They'll also have cap room to re-sign him.

One downside with the trade is that it doesn't leave much cap room for Boston after it gets done. Opinions?

 

[BlackFrancis]

So here is my proposal:
Spooner + Hayes (cap reasons) + prospect for Sharp + 2017 Dallas 3rd

Have you seen evidence of players returning from concussions at full effectiveness that I have not? Our last experience with concussions and former Stars wasn't all that much fun.

If Dallas wants to dump him for cap space near the deadline, after he's proven to be somewhat effective, maybe you offer a them a third. A 24 year old, 50 point center for a $6M corpse though? I would hope the Bruins take a miss.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

2. Prospects, prospects, prospects. Heinen has 12 pts in 11 games in Providence and has proven in his 7 game stint with the big club that he can play at that level. Cehlarik has 12pts in 13 games in Providence. Prospects like Bjork, Senyshyn, Gabrielle, Federic, and JFK have all been progressing nicely. Vatrano is almost healthy as well.

The point? Although not every prospect will be a hit to make the Bruins, acquiring a player that has term left or a younger player to add to the prospect pool will just crowd up the open positions available in the near future for the prospects that are ready to make the next jump.

So here is my proposal:
Spooner + Hayes (cap reasons) + prospect for Sharp + 2017 Dallas 3rd

Although Sharp is currently on IR and has struggled only having 2pts in 11 games, the Bruins will only be making a 1-year commitment for a player that has won multiple Stanley Cups and scored 55pts last season. The idea is that you hope Sharp catches lightning in a bottle by playing with Krejci. In the worst case, you add a veteran winger for depth on your 3rd line for 1 season. The Bruins also add a 3rd rounder that they don't have this season. The Bruins also get rid of Hayes. Here is what the Bruins top 9 can look like when everyone is healthy:

Marchand - Bergeron - Pastrnak
Vatrano - Krejci - Sharp
Beleskey/Call-up - Backes - Czarnik/Call-up

Dallas does this deal because they currently have Korpikoski and Cody Eakin, centering Benn and he who shall not be named, in their top 6. With an offensive system, Spooner can thrive. They'll also have cap room to re-sign him.

One downside with the trade is that it doesn't leave much cap room for Boston after it gets done. Opinions?

Obviously this somewhat depends on who the prospect is, but honestly I think this is a ridiculous overpay. The Bruins are doing Dallas a huge favor by taking a very expensive underachiever off their roster, saving them 2.5 million this year.

To be honest, I hate Patrick bleeping Sharp. Guy is the ultimate high volume shooter. He has topped 9% shooting only once in the last 5 years, and does little else on the ice. If you completely redo you power play, and make him 100% the focus, then he will produce some power play points for you, but other than that he just isn't a 5-5 player of value anymore

I don't like Hayes, but I am not willing to pay a ton to get him out of town, we could simply choose to send him to Providence if he continues to underperform.

I understand Boston may well have to move some of their prospects in trades, but that doesn't mean you just throw them away. I'd

 

[BruinDust]

Obviously this somewhat depends on who the prospect is, but honestly I think this is a ridiculous overpay. The Bruins are doing Dallas a huge favor by taking a very expensive underachiever off their roster, saving them 2.5 million this year.

To be honest, I hate Patrick bleeping Sharp. Guy is the ultimate high volume shooter. He has topped 9% shooting only once in the last 5 years, and does little else on the ice. If you completely redo you power play, and make him 100% the focus, then he will produce some power play points for you, but other than that he just isn't a 5-5 player of value anymore

I don't like Hayes, but I am not willing to pay a ton to get him out of town, we could simply choose to send him to Providence if he continues to underperform.

I understand Boston may well have to move some of their prospects in trades, but that doesn't mean you just throw them away. I'd

Exactly.

If they want a guy whose a liability 5 on 5 but still effective on the PP, they could probably get Iginla (who reportedly wouldn't mind a trade in what might be his final shot at a cup) out of Colorado for very little.

I'm not saying I'd recommend bringing back Iginla, but he can serve the same function as Sharp at a fraction of the trading price. Oh and he's off the books after this season.

Better off looking elsewhere in both cases though.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Only D to see his minutes go down since Chara went out.

Still think there's too much "Bruins character" in the minds of management for them to part with him. What exactly was he showing to earn an $11 million contract at the end of 2015 that he is or is not showing today?

 

[Absurdity]

Have you seen evidence of players returning from concussions at full effectiveness that I have not? Our last experience with concussions and former Stars wasn't all that much fun.

If Dallas wants to dump him for cap space near the deadline, after he's proven to be somewhat effective, maybe you offer a them a third. A 24 year old, 50 point center for a $6M corpse though? I would hope the Bruins take a miss.

The proposed trade wouldn't go down tomorrow. It would happen some time later perhaps January if Sharp proves he can be serviceable and not a "corpse". I agree with you that Spooner has more value on his own, but I added Hayes there to make the cap work and to ultimately get rid of him. I understand that packaging Hayes with Spooner lowers Spooner's overall value, but if Sharp looks okay after his recovery I think the Bruins should consider it as the Bruins need a winger. There's always trading Spooner for Hanzal, but like I said, I prefer the Bruins go after a winger.

 

[Absurdity]

Obviously this somewhat depends on who the prospect is, but honestly I think this is a ridiculous overpay. The Bruins are doing Dallas a huge favor by taking a very expensive underachiever off their roster, saving them 2.5 million this year.

To be honest, I hate Patrick bleeping Sharp. Guy is the ultimate high volume shooter. He has topped 9% shooting only once in the last 5 years, and does little else on the ice. If you completely redo you power play, and make him 100% the focus, then he will produce some power play points for you, but other than that he just isn't a 5-5 player of value anymore

I don't like Hayes, but I am not willing to pay a ton to get him out of town, we could simply choose to send him to Providence if he continues to underperform.

I understand Boston may well have to move some of their prospects in trades, but that doesn't mean you just throw them away. I'd

The prospect definitely would not be any of the ones I mentioned. I guess I am overvaluing Sharp a lot as I thought he was decent 5 on 5.

Exactly.

If they want a guy whose a liability 5 on 5 but still effective on the PP, they could probably get Iginla (who reportedly wouldn't mind a trade in what might be his final shot at a cup) out of Colorado for very little.

I'm not saying I'd recommend bringing back Iginla, but he can serve the same function as Sharp at a fraction of the trading price. Oh and he's off the books after this season.

Better off looking elsewhere in both cases though.

I didn't know it was that bad with Sharp. I agree then that the Bruins should look elsewhere if that's the case. We've heard since late October early November that there's been interest around the league regarding Spooner. I think everyone can agree that the Bruins need some help at forward, but I wonder if Sweeney is thinking about which prospects could make the jump next season and if that correlates to the length of the contract of a player Spooner could return when looking at potential deals.

 

[wintersej]

The prospect definitely would not be any of the ones I mentioned. I guess I am overvaluing Sharp a lot as I thought he was decent 5 on 5.

I didn't know it was that bad with Sharp. I agree then that the Bruins should look elsewhere if that's the case. We've heard since late October early November that there's been interest around the league regarding Spooner. I think everyone can agree that the Bruins need some help at forward, but I wonder if Sweeney is thinking about which prospects could make the jump next season and if that correlates to the length of the contract of a player Spooner could return when looking at potential deals.

I mean, he has to be. That's why I keep preaching Spooner for Hanzal.

Marchand Bergeron Pastrnak
Vatrano Krejci Backes
Beleksey Hanzal Czarnik
Schaller/Blidh Moore Nash

Hanzal walks as a UFA, and Heinen, DeBrusk, Senyshyn, and JFK try to break in next season.

 

[wintersej]

Exactly.

If they want a guy whose a liability 5 on 5 but still effective on the PP, they could probably get Iginla (who reportedly wouldn't mind a trade in what might be his final shot at a cup) out of Colorado for very little.

I'm not saying I'd recommend bringing back Iginla, but he can serve the same function as Sharp at a fraction of the trading price. Oh and he's off the books after this season.

Better off looking elsewhere in both cases though.

I missed that the first time I read the post and almost went off on you . Don't want Sharp or Iginla. Sharp scored as many 5 on 5 goals as Beleskey last year, and 3 fewer than Loui. So I wouldn't call him useless like Iginla, but still not what I would be looking for.

 

[BruinDust]

The prospect definitely would not be any of the ones I mentioned. I guess I am overvaluing Sharp a lot as I thought he was decent 5 on 5.

I didn't know it was that bad with Sharp. I agree then that the Bruins should look elsewhere if that's the case. We've heard since late October early November that there's been interest around the league regarding Spooner. I think everyone can agree that the Bruins need some help at forward, but I wonder if Sweeney is thinking about which prospects could make the jump next season and if that correlates to the length of the contract of a player Spooner could return when looking at potential deals.

And maybe liability is a strong word for his 5 on 5 play. Let's just call it not his strong suit.

I was wrong on his contract, he's done after this season.

You know, if use this as the basis of a deal, and maybe see Boston get a bit more from Dallas, you might have something here.

 

[DKH]

they have 8 D and Until they all are healthy at same time I can't see anything

Liles is the wild card here health wise

Morrow appears to be able to play both sides so he seems safe

McQuaid vs K Miller is interesting- only 1 year older and the contracts are close

McQuaid has been through the hockey wars but Miller was the guy on the ice at the end of the game yesterday- Miller is the better skater and looks to be getting better where McQuaid is what he is

How the defense takes shape will be fascinating

Who's the last man standing out of these 8 would be near impossible to figure and who takes their place ?

Last standing to first gone

My guess

Carlo
Krug
Chara
Morrow
K Miller
C Miller
Liles
McQuaid

Just a guess but it could be anything with a trade of top prospects

 

[Over the volcano]

http://www.csnne.com/boston-bruins/sources-boston-bruins-engaged-trade-talks-involving-ryan-spooner

Haggis (auto correct takes a pretty appropriate artistic license) on the Bruins shopping Spooner