Proposal: All Bruins rumors/proposals: 16/17 Part II

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Spooner + McQuaid + 1st

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Tanev

* With Vatrano coming back soon, Spooner has nowhere to play in Boston.

I'm sure people here would say we would need to add to get Tanev and I would add something else also, just don't know what that add is.
 

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Of course us Bruins fans would like it... :laugh: No way Van does this straight up.

Probably not straight up. I don't know what Virtanen's upside is, he could be a 30 goal power winger, or he could be Brett Connolly. Are Vancouver ready to give up on him. Doubtful.

I heard the comments on HNIC last night, and it sounded like pure speculation to me. Talked about the Boston connection with Benning, chemistry with Eriksson on the PP.

Here's the thing for me with Spooner.

I believe there is a market for him. I don't think it's universal. I would imagine there are possibly a handful of teams who like the player and think they can get more out of him than Boston are. One thing with NHL GMs when it comes to offensively talented players, especially if they have even a small history of past production, there always seems to be at least one GM out there who thinks they can turn that player around in their own organization.

But to me, any GM who likes Spooner, and wants to acquire him, is acquiring him to play Center. They can or will accept his flaws in the defensive zone, for the payback elsewhere on the ice. I'm not saying Julien is wrong in not accepting these flaws, but just that some GMs/coaches are more willing to overlook them than others. Although I will say centermen overall get much less leeway defensively now than they did 15 years ago with the old-style offensive zones/bluelines.

So back to the options for Spooner, assuming like I said the acquiring GM wants him as a center.

Vancouver as has been speculated....they already have Horvat, Sedin, and Sutter up the middle. So unless Sutter is coming back, I don't really see a fit for Vancouver.

NYI....they are struggling to score...if their D'corps was healthy I could see something with Spooner + McQuaid + something else, maybe enticing them to move De Haan, who is a likely expansion victim if the Isles go 7F/3D. But they have D injury issues right now. I noticed specultion on Strome....reports I've read say they have the same issues with Strome as the Bruins do with Spooner, not really good enough to play as a full-time C where he wants to play, not cutting the mustard as a winger. One of the reasons to me if Boston moves Spooner is because they have a player playing out of position and it's not working, so why bring another one back as the centerpiece of a trade.

Arizona has been tossed out there. I can't see them getting Duclair for Spooner. I question Arizona's interest in the player as they are a strong advanced stats based organization and Spooner isn't exactly an advanced stats darling. Maybe as part of a package of picks/prospects for one or two of their rental options (Hanzal or Stone), but I don't think Spooner would entice Arizona to cough up a good young player like Duclair.

E.Kane....like Vancouver....does Buffalo really need another C? And I can't see those two organizations hooking up for a deal anyways.

Colorado at first glance are strange in that outside of MacKinnon, they don't really have many other full-time C. Seems like both Soderberg and Duchene has shifted back and forth from wing to C based on their overall face-off totals. But you go up and down that roster I don't see much that is realistic, affordable, enticing, or fits the needs of the Bruins.

Carolina same thing. What would the Bruins look at as a return? Don't see much there, your certainly not getting a good young D like Slavin or Pesce, or a Lindholm or Aho. A project like Murphy perhaps but you shouldn't need to surrender Spooner to get Murphy, nor would Murphy really have a spot on the current Bruins.

Detroit...skilled left-shot F, which they have plenty of....maybe a swap of struggling young players Sheahan for Spooner would be enticing, Sheahan seems like he would be a better fit for the Bruins, big body, more adept LW, defensively sound. But not a natural point producer. Could easily end up a Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes type of deal where Boston sends out a skilled player for a more well-rounded one, and the more well-rounded one never produces enough offense to justify the deal.

And that's the bottom feeders who might be seeking change summarized in a nutshell. Tough to find a really good fit.
 

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Quote of the decade belongs to Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun

"The Bruins wouldn’t mind moving winger Jimmy Hayes."

No! Really?!

Garrioch always scoring the big scoops Dom, this shouldn`t be surprising he`s the first to jump on this one:laugh:
 

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Arizona has been tossed out there. I can't see them getting Duclair for Spooner. I question Arizona's interest in the player as they are a strong advanced stats based organization and Spooner isn't exactly an advanced stats darling. Maybe as part of a package of picks/prospects for one or two of their rental options (Hanzal or Stone), but I don't think Spooner would entice Arizona to cough up a good young player like Duclair.

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Carolina same thing. What would the Bruins look at as a return? Don't see much there, your certainly not getting a good young D like Slavin or Pesce, or a Lindholm or Aho. A project like Murphy perhaps but you shouldn't need to surrender Spooner to get Murphy, nor would Murphy really have a spot on the current Bruins.

These two are the ones the most interest me. Hanzal, Stone, or Fleury. I'm going to pump Hanzal's tires on every page of this thread until March, but those other D options wouldn't hurt either.
 

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I may be in the minority but I like Bruce.

I haven`t a right to like or dislike him, don`t know him at all like you do but it`s stuff like this which he offered regarding Hayes which comes across as lazy, Haggs guilty of it too, stuff that even a fair weather fan could predict.


Can`t see Hayes finishing the year with the B`s, not sure what he`d get in return, have to think 3/4th rounder at best with the complete absence of production
 

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I'd be shocked if the Bruins were lucky enough to have someone claim Hayes off waivers, let alone actually give up something to acquire him.

The only value Jimmy Hayes has right now to another team is he would help a team meet the exposed player criteria as he already has his 70 games in.
 

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Spooner, McQuaid, Hayes all useless in the Bruins system moving forward. Get anything for them and move on. Get rid of the deadweight, all of them are being out played.
 

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Spooner, McQuaid, Hayes all useless in the Bruins system moving forward. Get anything for them and move on. Get rid of the deadweight, all of them are being out played.

I'd add Riley Nash to this list as well.

Still don't see what he brings to the table to justify his line-up spot. Definition of a JAG.
 

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Nash's a pretty decent penalty killer. One of the reasons Bruins have third best PK in the league right now.
 

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Groundhog Day coming..

Spooner like Smith like Segs will be traded for nothing..

Maybe I'm being overly optimistic, but if Morrow continues as he has been, then we did get something out of the Segs deal. Not value for value, but something decent. I'd move Spooner for a prospect or pick (and Hayes if such a thing could be done- who'd want him for anything but free and even then . . .). I like Spooner actually, and wish he'd get going, but if he doesn't have a place here, lets get a 3rd rounder or two for him and roll the dice. Rather that than deal him for a useless established player. Since Spooner is being used on the wing, we have organizational depth to replace him.
 

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Nash's a pretty decent penalty killer. One of the reasons Bruins have third best PK in the league right now.

I think Nash is contributing more than Beleskey so far this season, TBH.

I agree, I like Riley Nash. He is what he is, and we shouldn't expect offensive dynamism, but he gives full effort on both ends of the ice, is a good PK man, generally makes sound decisions with the puck and is a good 3rd line guy. Definitely bringing more than Beleskey right now and outside of Dom Moore is probably our steadiest bottom 6 guy game in and game out.
 

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Please explain to me what Spooner has done this season to warrant having any value.

What have many Bruins done ?

Trading to early so I hope like crazy Don gets something good back.

We have no offence so must be spooner
 

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Spooner + McQuaid + 1st

for

Tanev

* With Vatrano coming back soon, Spooner has nowhere to play in Boston.

I'm sure people here would say we would need to add to get Tanev and I would add something else also, just don't know what that add is.

A first round pick too? NO!

Just 15 more days until the holiday roster freeze!

Does it matter Dom, they never seem to make a significant move in this time period anyway.

Spooner, McQuaid, Hayes all useless in the Bruins system moving forward. Get anything for them and move on. Get rid of the deadweight, all of them are being out played.

Well Said!

Probably not straight up. I don't know what Virtanen's upside is, he could be a 30 goal power winger, or he could be Brett Connolly. Are Vancouver ready to give up on him. Doubtful.

I heard the comments on HNIC last night, and it sounded like pure speculation to me. Talked about the Boston connection with Benning, chemistry with Eriksson on the PP.

Here's the thing for me with Spooner.

I believe there is a market for him. I don't think it's universal. I would imagine there are possibly a handful of teams who like the player and think they can get more out of him than Boston are. One thing with NHL GMs when it comes to offensively talented players, especially if they have even a small history of past production, there always seems to be at least one GM out there who thinks they can turn that player around in their own organization.

But to me, any GM who likes Spooner, and wants to acquire him, is acquiring him to play Center. They can or will accept his flaws in the defensive zone, for the payback elsewhere on the ice. I'm not saying Julien is wrong in not accepting these flaws, but just that some GMs/coaches are more willing to overlook them than others. Although I will say centermen overall get much less leeway defensively now than they did 15 years ago with the old-style offensive zones/bluelines.

So back to the options for Spooner, assuming like I said the acquiring GM wants him as a center.

Vancouver as has been speculated....they already have Horvat, Sedin, and Sutter up the middle. So unless Sutter is coming back, I don't really see a fit for Vancouver.

NYI....they are struggling to score...if their D'corps was healthy I could see something with Spooner + McQuaid + something else, maybe enticing them to move De Haan, who is a likely expansion victim if the Isles go 7F/3D. But they have D injury issues right now. I noticed specultion on Strome....reports I've read say they have the same issues with Strome as the Bruins do with Spooner, not really good enough to play as a full-time C where he wants to play, not cutting the mustard as a winger. One of the reasons to me if Boston moves Spooner is because they have a player playing out of position and it's not working, so why bring another one back as the centerpiece of a trade.

Arizona has been tossed out there. I can't see them getting Duclair for Spooner. I question Arizona's interest in the player as they are a strong advanced stats based organization and Spooner isn't exactly an advanced stats darling. Maybe as part of a package of picks/prospects for one or two of their rental options (Hanzal or Stone), but I don't think Spooner would entice Arizona to cough up a good young player like Duclair.

E.Kane....like Vancouver....does Buffalo really need another C? And I can't see those two organizations hooking up for a deal anyways.

Colorado at first glance are strange in that outside of MacKinnon, they don't really have many other full-time C. Seems like both Soderberg and Duchene has shifted back and forth from wing to C based on their overall face-off totals. But you go up and down that roster I don't see much that is realistic, affordable, enticing, or fits the needs of the Bruins.

Carolina same thing. What would the Bruins look at as a return? Don't see much there, your certainly not getting a good young D like Slavin or Pesce, or a Lindholm or Aho. A project like Murphy perhaps but you shouldn't need to surrender Spooner to get Murphy, nor would Murphy really have a spot on the current Bruins.

Detroit...skilled left-shot F, which they have plenty of....maybe a swap of struggling young players Sheahan for Spooner would be enticing, Sheahan seems like he would be a better fit for the Bruins, big body, more adept LW, defensively sound. But not a natural point producer. Could easily end up a Reilly Smith for Jimmy Hayes type of deal where Boston sends out a skilled player for a more well-rounded one, and the more well-rounded one never produces enough offense to justify the deal.

And that's the bottom feeders who might be seeking change summarized in a nutshell. Tough to find a really good fit.

The since the Bruins don't have a trade-able 2nd round pick this year (2017) Wouldn't it make the most sense to get back a second for Spooner and move on?
Seems to me Donny is afraid to move him and then have him tear up the league for his new team. This is a conundrum for Sweeney because it feels as though that's pretty much all they're gonna get for Spoons.
 
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