Boston Bruins All Bruins Free Agent/Trade Rumours and Proposals III

[chizzler]

Great comeback!
There is nothing elite about Torey Krug. Trade him while his stock is high. What he brings offensively does not make up for his defence.........which so happens to be the position he plays. Giving up a 60 point defencemen for a 75-80 point forward and allowing someone better defensively take over in the top 4 makes us better, not worse.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

[Estlin]

I think I mentioned this in the old thread but it's worth repeating because an Oiler fan just made the same proposal on the main board...

Krug for RNH?

I believe that Edmonton would have to add. Krug is a better and more valuable player than RNH, especially if he were to play for the Oilers, which need a PP QB.

RNH + Pool Party for Krug and Cehlarik?

 

[Salem13]

Fwiw, Krug's NTC is limited to 8 teams.

Next year, right now he has a full no trade clause.

Half the websites have it wrong.

You know how I know I'm right, because the full NTC next year makes no sense at all.

You dont NTC a guy in the last year of his contract before UFA.

Spotrac has it right Torey Krug

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

There is nothing elite about Torey Krug. Trade him while his stock is high.

Other than his offensive game? You're right....Nothing elite. When a player has been Top 10 for his position the last 3 years in production, you're an elite player. Over the last 3 years, he is currently #7 in points for all defenseman. ELITE OFFENSIVE DEFENSEMAN.

What he brings offensively does not make up for his defence.........which so happens to be the position he plays. Giving up a 60 point defencemen for a 75-80 point forward and allowing someone better defensively take over in the top 4 makes us better, not worse.

But it does lol. You have a defenseman who factors in on 60 goals a season. Your suggestion was not to trade just Krug for a Top 6 winger. It was Krug + 1/2 of them. What if one of them is Heinen? Now that's a Top 4 defenseman + Top 6/9 winger going out for an upgrade at forward. That's a 60 point defenseman + 47 point winger going out for this 75-80 point forward. You're stiil, at the end of the day, creating a hole on defense, whether you want to admit it, to address a hole at forward. And no, Moore/Grzelcyk slotting into the Top 4 in Krug's spot does not seem like an upgrade on defense.

The belittling of what Krug brings on the back end is embarrassing.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

To start, I hope I eat crow until I'm 280 pounds. But.......all this heinen debrusk donato JFK frederick bjork talk to me is insane when we think we are in our window! We're legit banking on 4-5 of our top 9 being rookies/sophomores.

What is really "insane" about this?

Potential 2018-2019 Starting Night Roster:

Marchand -- Bergeron -- Heinen (2)
DeBrusk (2)-- Krejci -- Pastrnak
Donato (R) -- Frederic/JFK/Studnicka (R) -- Backes
Kuraly (2)-- Wagner -- Acciari (2)
Nordstrom

4 = sophomores
2 = rookies

2/3 'sophomores' are coming off solid rookie seasons where they put up 40+ points, respectively.

WHEN LAST YEAR WE STARTED WITH THIS:

2017-2018 Starting Night Roster:

Marchand -- Spooner -- Bjork (R)
DeBrusk (R) -- Krejci -- Pastrnak
Beleskey -- Kuraly (R) -- Vatrano (2)
Schaller -- Nash -- Acciari (R)

1 = sophomore
3 = rookies

 

[Dizzay]

Respectfully agree to disagree I guess.

I will trade 59 points from the back end to get deeper in our top 6 any day.
24 of those 59 points came on the powerplay.
Krug was +/- 0 on the season. In the playoffs he was -5 and very easily getting pushed around in the back end.
So robbing Peter to Paul, just in my opinion, I don't see as being a valid argument because the guy is not a top 4 defender, and if he continues to put up 50-60 points, come contract time, he's going to be looking for likely something in the ballpark of 6-8 million and he is not worth that.

 

[Mainehockey33]

RNH would be interesting. He had a great year last year but it looks like he got injured. I think he’d be a fine 2nd line center and if he ever reached his potential then we hit a homerun.

But Krug has a NTC right now, right? There’s no way he’s going to Edmonton.

 

[BigGoalBrad]

Krug's role in the playoffs should be Kaberle's role from 2011.

This likely bumps Grizz out of the lineup but guys can get hurt. Its not a bad thing that we have a guy who can replace Krug if needed with maybe 50% of the offense and a little bit better D for 25% of what he makes.

Moore is a very interesting potential Carlo partner. He has the size and skating and has never been a bad player and this is a 27 year old whos been an NHL regular for 7 years with plenty of experience under his belt. Might be a very good 2nd pair.

 

[HustleB]

Because Krug has an NTC, would anyone consider Carlo for RNH? I don't have a take, it just seems like a nice top 6 addition, and while I like Carlo, I believe he is replaceable. I think given that Moore can play both sides, this might be a good fit and still provide competition amongst the D.

 

[BruinDust]

Great comeback!
There is nothing elite about Torey Krug. Trade him while his stock is high. What he brings offensively does not make up for his defence.........which so happens to be the position he plays. Giving up a 60 point defencemen for a 75-80 point forward and allowing someone better defensively take over in the top 4 makes us better, not worse.

2nd in the entire NHL among D-men in points-per-minute played.

So yeah, he is elite at creating offense from the D-man position.

Krug is nowhere near as bad defensively as your making him out to be. If he was, he doesn't even step on the ice under a coach like Claude Julien.

 

[BruinDust]

Because Krug has an NTC, would anyone consider Carlo for RNH? I don't have a take, it just seems like a nice top 6 addition, and while I like Carlo, I believe he is replaceable. I think given that Moore can play both sides, this might be a good fit and still provide competition amongst the D.

I wouldn't, RNH doesn't even look like a center anymore, just another left-shot winger the Bruins don't need.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Because Krug has an NTC, would anyone consider Carlo for RNH? I don't have a take, it just seems like a nice top 6 addition, and while I like Carlo, I believe he is replaceable. I think given that Moore can play both sides, this might be a good fit and still provide competition amongst the D.

No. Carlo is the kind of defenseman we were missing in the playoffs (end of the season Carlo). He’s still young, getting better and cost controlled. Plus we don’t have as much depth at RD, in the NHL or prospect pool.

 

[wintersej]

Other than his offensive game? You're right....Nothing elite. When a player has been Top 10 for his position the last 3 years in production, you're an elite player. Over the last 3 years, he is currently #7 in points for all defenseman. ELITE OFFENSIVE DEFENSEMAN.



But it does lol. You have a defenseman who factors in on 60 goals a season. Your suggestion was not to trade just Krug for a Top 6 winger. It was Krug + 1/2 of them. What if one of them is Heinen? Now that's a Top 4 defenseman + Top 6/9 winger going out for an upgrade at forward. That's a 60 point defenseman + 47 point winger going out for this 75-80 point forward. You're stiil, at the end of the day, creating a hole on defense, whether you want to admit it, to address a hole at forward. And no, Moore/Grzelcyk slotting into the Top 4 in Krug's spot does not seem like an upgrade on defense.

The belittling of what Krug brings on the back end is embarrassing.

You know who leads the Bruins in 5 on 5 scoring over the past three seasons from the backend?

Not Krug. It is old "no offense" Chara. Krug only outscored Chara by 2 points at 5 on 5 this season. McAvoy was 1 point back with way fewer games.

On the power play, at 4 on 4 and 3 on 3, Krug is excellent. At 5 on 5? Krug outscored Nurse and Maata by 2 points with a fraction of the defense.

You need a d-man who can play on the PP. But at 5 on 5 I'm not sure how valuable points are from a d-man. Being able to drive possession and get quick ups? Very very important. But the actual number of points seem to be pretty reliant on the forwards doing stuff at 5 on 5. Or else maybe Chara, Nurse, and Maata are secret offensive super stars?

 

[wintersej]

I wouldn't, RNH doesn't even look like a center anymore, just another left-shot winger the Bruins don't need.

I think thats just because they gave up on finding wingers for McJesus.

 

[DaStinger]

I've been on a bit of a hiatus for the summer. Whats the story on dick rash? Any talks, or is there no chance of this? I'd like him back if its only a year or 2 and I noticed he is still unsigned.

 

[wintersej]

I've been on a bit of a hiatus for the summer. Whats the story on dick rash? Any talks, or is there no chance of this? I'd like him back if its only a year or 2 and I noticed he is still unsigned.

He is considering retirement from getting his bell rung too many times. Maybe join later in the season.

 

[patty59]

I believe I mentioned this proposal right after Gryz was signed.

I hate losing Krug, but if we're going to anyway, this is the kind of deal I'd approve of.

I just don't see how signing Gryz makes Krug expendable. I don't see it. They're both left handed and short, that's the end of it at this point.

 

[DaStinger]

He is considering retirement from getting his bell rung too many times. Maybe join later in the season.

Thats sad news, however completely understandable.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I just don't see how signing Gryz makes Krug expendable. I don't see it. They're both left handed and short, that's the end of it at this point.

Doesn't make him expendable.

But after the Bruins lamenting about having a defence that's too small, Chara eclipsing 40 and being expected to take all the tough minutes on the left side, the trashing of Krug in the presser and the signing of Grzelcyk and Moore within a month of each other... Well, I'm just connecting dots.

 

[Blowfish]

Not directed at you. I just don’t always agree with throwing talent away for guys that get paid more, specially when they’ve been lazy there whole career.

I for one hope they don’t rush anything. Bjork hasn’t even shown us all his tools the kid has mad skill, Heinen has been underrated even tho he still puts up solid numbers with line juggles.

If we look at a trade it better be more for the long run, not for a guy on his way out of his prime.

I agree with this sentiment.

To be honest I don’t want to see any of the young players moved just yet. That included the 1st and spooner. But it appears there is
Neely Sweeney win now thing going on with Nash Kovalchuk and JT thing. My Kessel recommendation was based on that apparent push to win now. Kessel has the appearance of lazy however he has been one of the least injured players in the league. He continues to score at ease , speed to burn, play maker and comes at a decent contract. He could fit well on the 2nd line right wing.

 

[Bergyesque]

I agree with this sentiment.

To be honest I don’t want to see any of the young players moved just yet. That included the 1st and spooner. But it appears there is
Neely Sweeney win now thing going on with Nash Kovalchuk and JT thing. My Kessel recommendation was based on that apparent push to win now. Kessel has the appearance of lazy however he has been one of the least injured players in the league. He continues to score at ease , speed to burn, play maker and comes at a decent contract. He could fit well on the 2nd line right wing.

The thing is you can't keep everyone. Some will have to go. Better filling up a need using a few of them while they have value.
The trading of the 1st and Spooner, though it did not work as intented, at least served a purpose. Can't say the same about Czarnik leaving.

Another thing is that I'd rather have a mix (as far as age is concerned) than only kids.
For example, the Bs seem to be missing forwards in the 25-30 years old range.
Granted, that is not an absolute condition, just preferable IMHO.

 

[Dabruins]

IF Karlsson will not be traded interdivision... Stone will not

Definitely a huge road block, I would exhaust all options. Don't think it's legal but I would be prodding another gm to initiate the trade then have an agreement in place with him for Stone. Basically the same sort of thing that happened with Marvin Jones between LA/SJ and us. Anyways, a pipe dream for sure but a guy can dream right?

Still believe we are in very good shape if we just get another top 6 forward who plays the right way. Stone would be an absolute perfect fit on that second line with Krejci and DeBrusk. If he is a dead no from Dorion then I go and target the next best fit. I think were at a time where being one piece away and being gun shy or not getting the job done in terms of acquiring that top 6 forward is not acceptable.

Having said that I don't mind going into next season with what we have now. See if one of our promising kids will develop into a top 6'er at the beginning of the season, if not, gotta address it.

 

[Oates2Neely]

I’d be okay with Kessel coming back to ride on Krejci’s RW. If Pitt could eat 1m Kessel at 5.8m would be manageable.

Kessel vs. Clode was the issue. Mostly Kessel but... Cassidy is no Clode. Now what would it take to pry Kessel from Pitt?

Lauzon + Bjork for Kessel at 5.8m?

Marchand/ Bergeron/ Pastrnak
DeBrusk/ Krejci/ Kessel
Donato/ Heinen/ Backes

 

[Oates2Neely]

Unless there’s a back door agreement between Sweeney and Rick Nash that he’ll take some time off to heal and come back at some point in the season? This way Sweeney can get a look at Bjork Donato Heinen and see what they are capable of.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Great comeback!
There is nothing elite about Torey Krug. Trade him while his stock is high. What he brings offensively does not make up for his defence.........which so happens to be the position he plays. Giving up a 60 point defencemen for a 75-80 point forward and allowing someone better defensively take over in the top 4 makes us better, not worse.

I think his offense does make up for his defense... hes by no means a negative asset out there. he doesn't cause more damage then good

his defense certainly wouldn't have him in the nhl by itself. if krug was a guy that had trouble moving the puck in the offense zone, he wouldn't be in the nhl. graded strictly on his defense alone he is not quite up to the standards necessary to make it in the nhl

but... he does have elite offensive talent. he would be in the top 15 list for anyone that knows anything about grading offensive talent among nhl dmen.

if this guy had a cap hit half of what it is... there wouldn't even be 1 inch of room for debate. you would gladly put this guy in your third pair and brag to everyone what an amazing weapon you had. you would be so happy you could roll krug out as a pp specialist and have a huge advantage over the other team

sadly... that cap hit is a problem if the guy cant be used in a top 4 roll with positive results. and the cap hit is only likely to go higher on the next contract.

for as long as we continued to have hope krug could improve... it was worth keeping him around. he has heart. we know he tries hard. but there just hasn't been enough improvement defensively

maybe if we got the right partner... his play could be sheltered even more? I had an idea the other day to bring shea weber to town. someone more mobile and better offensively than miller/McQuaid might be what krug needs. I also had a thought john carlsson might work. Jacob trouba might work.

can Charlie McAvoy be the guy down the road? im not sure...

but unless we can find a way to use krug in the top 4 and have it pay off for us... then I do think we must move him. im no where near where you are saying his defense is worst than his offense is good. that's ridiculous. but I will go so far as to say that his defense is a huge problem. it does create a situation where krug isn't a slam dunk to keep. between his defense and his cap hit it might be better to deal him given our situation