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[AceKing21]

I think some of his losses weren't shining, but he didn't duck anyone. 29 title fights in an era where MONEY was more than it ever was (therefore in theory great athletes should have aspired to be boxers) kind of puts Wlad right up there at the top all time, IMV. I agree with a lot of this guy's opinion on Wlad on why he is one of the truly greats. I put Wladimir right up next to Ali, Marciano and Louis:


Why Wladimir Klitschko is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time


Vitaly was amazing as well and I think he beat Lennox, to be honest (that was another nonsense stoppage due to a cut on his face - Vitaly threw a fit in the ring after that stoppage it was so trash):

Vitaly was winning the fight 100%. Lennox got lucky with the cut and then decided to hang'em up instead of a rematch.

Yes! Wlad fought everyone in his path and didnt duck anyone. The thing I will say about both Klitschko's is that they are incredibly great people outside of the ring. To me that's just as important as being champion inside the ring.

 

[Northerner]

Vitaly was winning the fight 100%. Lennox got lucky with the cut and then decided to hang'em up instead of a rematch.

Yes! Wlad fought everyone in his path and didnt duck anyone. The thing I will say about both Klitschko's is that they are incredibly great people outside of the ring. To me that's just as important as being champion inside the ring.

I remember right after that fight in the ring Lennox saying "I'll eat the other brother for breakfast" or something (paraphrase) but he clearly didn't want anything to do with him.


LOVE the Klitschkos - both of them. Wlad is at the top of my all-time favorites next to Golota, Adamek and Kessler.

 

[AceKing21]

I remember right after that fight in the ring Lennox saying "I'll eat the other brother for breakfast" or something (paraphrase) but he clearly didn't want anything to do with him.


LOVE the Klitschkos - both of them. Wlad is at the top of my all-time favorites next to Golota, Adamek and Kessler.

The only heavyweight I have ever rooted for was Mike Tyson. When I was 11 my dad took me to the Latham Arena to see one of Tyson's fights. My dad had a lot of connections throughout the Central NY boxing scene and I had the chance to meet Tyson. I met Tyson again when I was in my 40's at the casino I worked in here in NY. I asked him if he remembered meeting me and I gave him a little background on our meeting and where it was. He said, "yes, I do remember now, you were Todd's little boy" Pretty much the highlight of my life other then my kids being born.

 

[AceKing21]

Mike Tyson vs Logan Paul? I can't believe this is a real possibility for February. I'd be up for a Tyson-Lewis exhibition, but Logan Paul? The Paul's have done a fantastic job of promoting themselves via social media, YouTube, Podcasts, etc. I will give them that much credit at least. Logan Paul barely survived feather fisted Mayweather. Something tells me it wouldn't be a good ending if Paul gets his chin touched by Tyson.

 

[eXile3]

Would love to Vergil Ortiz fight again this year but that's looking unlikely at this point.

 

[MMC]

 

[AceKing21]

I truly wish I was as creative as the Paul brothers marketing myself to make millions of dollars by talking crap on social media.

 

[DaaaaB's]

AJ would get exposed even worse than wilder. He may be in better shape, but he can’t take a punch and he doesn’t hit hard.

As for fury all time… the dude is 6’10, retirees from boxing for 3 years to go on a bender, comes back and takes 2 fights before ending wilders career (exactly what he said he’d do). He’s 6’10 280 with the head movement of Floyd, and now has developed 1 punch knockout power. He’s too 5, probably top 3. The only 2 I’d take arguments for being better are Tyson and Ali.

That's completely ridiculous. There's plenty of guys you can make arguments for to be in the top 3. Fury is definitely not top 3 or 5 based on his resume. If you're talking hypothetical situation where guys fight in their prime then maybe he is but even then I'm not sure he could beat the likes of Holmes, Foreman and Lewis. Probably not imo. Mike Tyson being top 3 or even too 5 is very arguable too. Very few notable wins on his resume.

Btw, when did Fury develop one punch KO power because I've certainly never seen it.

 

[DaaaaB's]

That’s wild… the guys you named wouldn’t be able to touch him. Again not hostile, but nobody you named has ever fought someone that fights the way fury does (head movement counter punching etc)

You gotta be kidding. Yes, Fury is the only HW who ever who has had head movement and counter punching. What an absurd statement. What about his lack of hand speed and power.

 

[DaaaaB's]

I think some of his losses weren't shining, but he didn't duck anyone. 29 title fights in an era where MONEY was more than it ever was (therefore in theory great athletes should have aspired to be boxers) kind of puts Wlad right up there at the top all time, IMV. I agree with a lot of this guy's opinion on Wlad on why he is one of the truly greats. I put Wladimir right up next to Ali, Marciano and Louis:


Why Wladimir Klitschko is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time


Vitaly was amazing as well and I think he beat Lennox, to be honest (that was another nonsense stoppage due to a cut on his face - Vitaly threw a fit in the ring after that stoppage it was so trash):

I disagree on Wlad being up there with those guys. Vitaly isnt either. Both are close to top 10 tho.

If that Vitaly/Lewis wasn't stopped then Vitaly would've lost the vision in his eye and never fought again. Lewis was taking over the fight by that point anyhow. You do realize Lewis was 38 years old and 20lbs heavier than he had ever fought at before. Lewis in his prime would've destroyed either Klitschko brother.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Vitaly was winning the fight 100%. Lennox got lucky with the cut and then decided to hang'em up instead of a rematch.

Yes! Wlad fought everyone in his path and didnt duck anyone. The thing I will say about both Klitschko's is that they are incredibly great people outside of the ring. To me that's just as important as being champion inside the ring.

Wlad didn't duck anyone but he also didn't beat anyone notable. Maybe that's not his fault but it's a fact. Him and Vitaly were both robotic fighters with questionable chins. Good chance they would've both struggled had they fought in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

 

[AceKing21]

Wlad didn't duck anyone but he also didn't beat anyone notable. Maybe that's not his fault but it's a fact. Him and Vitaly were both robotic fighters with questionable chins. Good chance they would've both struggled had they fought in the 70s, 80s or 90s.

Couldn't agree more. It's tough to gauge them vs fighters in the 70's-90's due to their height. Their chins have never been their best asset, see Brewster, Sanders, etc. Not exactly the biggest of punchers, but managed to impose mediocre power onto them. As far as resume is concerned, you only fight the guys they put in front of you and they fought them all. I think what would have been the biggest fight in the history of boxing and may never have been surpassed is if they fought each other. I know they vowed they never would, but imagine the promotional build up to that?

 

[DaaaaB's]

Couldn't agree more. It's tough to gauge them vs fighters in the 70's-90's due to their height. Their chins have never been their best asset, see Brewster, Sanders, etc. Not exactly the biggest of punchers, but managed to impose mediocre power onto them. As far as resume is concerned, you only fight the guys they put in front of you and they fought them all. I think what would have been the biggest fight in the history of boxing and may never have been surpassed is if they fought each other. I know they vowed they never would, but imagine the promotional build up to that?

That would've been an insanely big fight. I agree about your resume comment. That's why I'd say they're both possibly top 10 alltime even tho I'm not so sure they would've beat guys like Ron Lyle or Riddick Bowe in past decades.

 

[AceKing21]

That would've been an insanely big fight. I agree about your resume comment. That's why I'd say they're both possibly top 10 alltime even tho I'm not so sure they would've beat guys like Ron Lyle or Riddick Bowe in past decades.

Lyle was a banger for sure. I want to say he fought Ali, Shavers, Foreman, back to back to back. Talk about going through the buzzsaw. Bowe had the size and technique to beat the Klitschko's for sure. Would have been interesting to see Bowe-Wlad. I think one of the biggest things about both of the brothers was their stand up, super robotic European style. While they were both great fighters, I always felt they were better then most because of their size advantages.

 

[Northerner]

Lyle was a banger for sure. I want to say he fought Ali, Shavers, Foreman, back to back to back. Talk about going through the buzzsaw. Bowe had the size and technique to beat the Klitschko's for sure. Would have been interesting to see Bowe-Wlad. I think one of the biggest things about both of the brothers was their stand up, super robotic European style. While they were both great fighters, I always felt they were better then most because of their size advantages.

Wlad was a kickboxer which I'm sure you know, which I'm sure played into his boxing style.

 

[MetalheadPenguinsFan]

Canelo vs. Plant tonight

 

[Northerner]

They're entering right now..

 

[illpucks]

Canelo wins.
Still ain't touching peak Mayweather

 

[John Price]

all hail king canelo

 

[Northerner]

Fight was ok. Nothing special. I swear - and this is the skeptic in me - but I think some of Canelo fights have been rigged.


Didn't even look like Plant got roughed up that bad to have gotten knocked, imo.

 

[eXile3]

People might not like it but they are bringing attention back to the sport and them building their records off of washed up UFC guys and football players isn't that different than what a lot of guys do against journeymen and club fighters.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Fight was ok. Nothing special. I swear - and this is the skeptic in me - but I think some of Canelo fights have been rigged.


Didn't even look like Plant got roughed up that bad to have gotten knocked, imo.

There's zero chance that any of Canelo's have been rigged. Plant would've made many many millions if he won that fight. Why would he take a dive?

I can't believe you're even suggesting this.

 

[Northerner]

There's zero chance that any of Canelo's have been rigged. Plant would've made many many millions if he won that fight. Why would he take a dive?

I can't believe you're even suggesting this.

The second after the DAZN deal I was skeptical. Didn't they sign him to like 12 fights or something like that? To gamble $300 million on him just brought out the skeptic in me, that's all.


It's not like the sport boxing has a squeaky clean reputation going back...

 

[MMC]

 

[DaaaaB's]

Really good fight between Crawford and Porter. Was kind of rooting for Porter and it was a close fight until the 10th when Bud dropped him twice. I'm hoping Crawford and Spence fight next to be the undisputed champ at Welterweight.