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[Avsboy]

I saw that. Wilder is ranked #1 ALL TIME in KO percentage.


IMO, it just goes to show how mediocre all the scrubs are that he has fought. He's fought a bunch of bums, IMO.

Quality of competition is the biggest indicator of greatness, or not. That's why I still think AJ or Usyk are being underrated

 

[Plural]

Youth might be the only asset either Paul has. Prime-era Iron Mike would have taken their f***ing heads off.

Yeah, I doubt anyone in their right mind thinks prime Tyson would do anything else than straight up re-attach Pauls soul from his body. Prime Tyson is top-3 HW hitter all-time. He would straight up kill semi-pros with his punch.

 

[Plural]

Have you seen Ali-Frazier?


None of these fights have even a round on any of those wars.


This fight was okay, but I've seen far better wars over the years where guys got brutalized.


I always viewed Wilder as an overrated one-trick pony. Wladimir would have destroyed him.

It was a legendary fight. What are you on about? Just a full on brawl. Fury cemented his place as one of the absolute best HW's ever and Wilder showed that defending against him is not an easy thing. Hard to compare across era's, but these two fighters could give a run for their money for every HW champion in history. It's a relatively thin division but the best are absolutely stunning.

Best fight in a long time, as in decades.

 

[Plural]

How old are you? How many fights have you seen in your life?


Wilder isn't the greatest power puncher in history - he's not even top-10.

Outside of Fury, Wilder really never fought any class.

Wilder absolutely has all-time great punching power. He's top-5 in all credible lists. For a reason.

 

[Over the volcano]

It was a legendary fight. What are you on about? Just a full on brawl. Fury cemented his place as one of the absolute best HW's ever and Wilder showed that defending against him is not an easy thing. Hard to compare across era's, but these two fighters could give a run for their money for every HW champion in history. It's a relatively thin division but the best are absolutely stunning.

Best fight in a long time, as in decades.

Best heavyweight title fight I can rember seeing live. I'm 45. Guys generally just don't get up when they're hit with those bombs, and it was the biggest and heaviest title fight ever.

 

[eXile3]

It was a gutsy performance by Wilder. At certain points he had to be on auto pilot and just relying on muscle memory. It also looked like his conditioning let him down.

 

[CharaBadSenyshynGawd]

I know it’s the cool thing to say right now that makes it seem like you know boxing…..

but it’s simply disingenuous to go around saying Wilder is no good, bad at boxing and stood no chance. He was a millisecond away from winning the first fight and knocked him down 4 times in two fights sandwiched in between a stinker which Fury dominated.

the “oh he only fights bums” argument is just so old, played out and lazy. You’re not gonna find more than a small handful of boxers that rise through the ranks fighting killers and champions.

Fury is one of the best ever. He came into this fight to looking to knockout. His corner after round 1 really set the gameplan in motion and Wilder didn’t really stick to the body like it seemed effective in that first.

I didn’t really want to make this all about Wilder, and you don’t have to love the guy or his excuses for losing, but to not give his overall career and this fight the respect he deserves is just insanity.

He may fall short of being as good as Fury, but he is still top of the line.

 

[Northerner]

I know it’s the cool thing to say right now that makes it seem like you know boxing…..

but it’s simply disingenuous to go around saying Wilder is no good, bad at boxing and stood no chance. He was a millisecond away from winning the first fight and knocked him down 4 times in two fights sandwiched in between a stinker which Fury dominated.

the “oh he only fights bums” argument is just so old, played out and lazy. You’re not gonna find more than a small handful of boxers that rise through the ranks fighting killers and champions.

Fury is one of the best ever. He came into this fight to looking to knockout. His corner after round 1 really set the gameplan in motion and Wilder didn’t really stick to the body like it seemed effective in that first.

I didn’t really want to make this all about Wilder, and you don’t have to love the guy or his excuses for losing, but to not give his overall career and this fight the respect he deserves is just insanity.

He may fall short of being as good as Fury, but he is still top of the line.

Nope, I've always been bearish on Wilder - and I've seen his last....10 fights or so? Maybe more. I've always felt he was crazy overrated. In fairness to him, though, I also think (Mike) Tyson was crazy overrated as well. I watched tons of Tyson's fights. Another of the so-called "greatest knockout punchers".

 

[Avsboy]

Nope, I've always been bearish on Wilder - and I've seen his last....10 fights or so? Maybe more. I've always felt he was crazy overrated. In fairness to him, though, I also think (Mike) Tyson was crazy overrated as well. I watched tons of Tyson's fights. Another of the so-called "greatest knockout punchers".

Tyson quality of competition was higher than Wilder. He fought all the top fighters of the late 80s. Wilder did not fight nearly the same quality of competition today as Joshua and has not fought even close to the majority of the top fighters today.

 

[DaaaaB's]

It was a legendary fight. What are you on about? Just a full on brawl. Fury cemented his place as one of the absolute best HW's ever and Wilder showed that defending against him is not an easy thing. Hard to compare across era's, but these two fighters could give a run for their money for every HW champion in history. It's a relatively thin division but the best are absolutely stunning.

Best fight in a long time, as in decades.

Fury could hang with the alltime greats but not Wilder. He might get the odd KO due to his power but most of the greats from the 70's, 80's and 90's would beat him easily.

As for your last sentence, I hope you mean at heavyweight. The lower weight classes have multiple fights every year that are better or at least as good.

 

[Northerner]

If you guys thought that fight was so great, I would propose you watch Golota v. Bowe, 1 and 2, and see true savagery.

Many people believe Golota gave Bowe brain damage it was so brutal.

Truthfully I feel like Golota-Bowe 1 and 2 make the Fury v. Wilder trilogy look like child's play in comparison:

 

[CDJ]

Quality of competition is the biggest indicator of greatness, or not. That's why I still think AJ or Usyk are being underrated

AJ’s a bigger dosser, I think Wilder actually KO’s him if they fight.

we are probably getting Fury-Whyte next

 

[Northerner]

Yes. Strangely I do believe Wilder could knock out Joshua - not high on him either.

 

[Avsboy]

We'll see who emerges as the top HW. There needs to be a unified champion.

 

[AceKing21]

I applaud Wilder and his heart for not quitting vs Fury. However, his punching power is greatly overrated imo. His resume suggests that while his KO% is high, the quality of opponent is very low.

 

[AceKing21]

AJ’s a bigger dosser, I think Wilder actually KO’s him if they fight.

we are probably getting Fury-Whyte next

Whyte came up with a mysterious "shoulder injury" today and his fight with Otto Wallin is off. Good career move by Whyte's team to preserve their fighters mandatory shot at Fury's WBC belt. Why take the chance of losing to Wallin when he has a direct path to Fury. It's also be stated by Fury's father, John, that Fury won't be fighting Whyte. It's possible Fury dumps the WBC belt and focuses on Joshua-Usyk II winner. Looks like an undisputed heavyweight champion is no where in sight.

 

[Chris Lean]

AJ and Wilder both are really not impressive heavyweights at all. AJ is technically sound and very athletic, but he doesn’t have the heart and he doesn’t hit hard enough.

Wilder has no skill. He beat up scrubs for 39 fights andthen couldn’t even beat fury after fury went on a 3 year bender and retired. Absolutely outclassed in the second and third fight.

fury’s addiction issues stemmed from being at the top and having no real challengers. Hope he’s learned how to cope with that feeling, because he’s back in that spot.

there won’t be another like Tyson in our entire lifetime. Enjoy him. The wilder praise for just getting his ass handed to him twice is insane… AND he hit fury with his hardest shot multiple times and couldn’t finish him.

all in all, AJ is decent but a huge p***y, Wilder is kind of a joke, and Tyson fury is a top 3 heavyweight of all time.

 

[Northerner]

AJ and Wilder both are really not impressive heavyweights at all. AJ is technically sound and very athletic, but he doesn’t have the heart and he doesn’t hit hard enough.

Wilder has no skill. He beat up scrubs for 39 fights andthen couldn’t even beat fury after fury went on a 3 year bender and retired. Absolutely outclassed in the second and third fight.

fury’s addiction issues stemmed from being at the top and having no real challengers. Hope he’s learned how to cope with that feeling, because he’s back in that spot.

there won’t be another like Tyson in our entire lifetime. Enjoy him. The wilder praise for just getting his ass handed to him twice is insane… AND he hit fury with his hardest shot multiple times and couldn’t finish him.

all in all, AJ is decent but a huge p***y, Wilder is kind of a joke, and Tyson fury is a top 3 heavyweight of all time.

I agree with some of what you're saying here, but saying Fury is top-3 all time, is crazy talk bro.

 

[AceKing21]

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all in all, AJ is decent but a huge p***y, Wilder is kind of a joke, and Tyson fury is a top 3 heavyweight of all time.[/QUOTE]

I pretty much agreed with everything you said up until the Fury is a top 3 heavyweight of all time. His best wins are over a aging Wlad Klitschko and an overrated Wilder. Don't get me wrong, he is the best heavyweight of his era, but I definitely want to see him fight AJ in England. That would be a massive event, but AJ still has to handle his business in the Usyk rematch.

 

[Chris Lean]

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all in all, AJ is decent but a huge p***y, Wilder is kind of a joke, and Tyson fury is a top 3 heavyweight of all time.

I pretty much agreed with everything you said up until the Fury is a top 3 heavyweight of all time. His best wins are over a aging Wlad Klitschko and an overrated Wilder. Don't get me wrong, he is the best heavyweight of his era, but I definitely want to see him fight AJ in England. That would be a massive event, but AJ still has to handle his business in the Usyk rematch.[/QUOTE]
AJ would get exposed even worse than wilder. He may be in better shape, but he can’t take a punch and he doesn’t hit hard.

As for fury all time… the dude is 6’10, retirees from boxing for 3 years to go on a bender, comes back and takes 2 fights before ending wilders career (exactly what he said he’d do). He’s 6’10 280 with the head movement of Floyd, and now has developed 1 punch knockout power. He’s too 5, probably top 3. The only 2 I’d take arguments for being better are Tyson and Ali.

 

[Northerner]

Wladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight of this century, and it's not even close, IMO. Wladimir is in the discussion of greats of all time, not Fury.


Go ahead and claim he's not, but he held the Belts for longer than anyone of this era by a long shot - defended his titles by far more than anyone. He fought in more title fights than anyone (29).

His "loss" to Joshua was GARBAGE, BTW. One of the most bunk stoppages I have ever seen. Only stopped because it was at Wembley - Klitschko was beating Joshua.

 

[AceKing21]

I pretty much agreed with everything you said up until the Fury is a top 3 heavyweight of all time. His best wins are over a aging Wlad Klitschko and an overrated Wilder. Don't get me wrong, he is the best heavyweight of his era, but I definitely want to see him fight AJ in England. That would be a massive event, but AJ still has to handle his business in the Usyk rematch.

AJ would get exposed even worse than wilder. He may be in better shape, but he can’t take a punch and he doesn’t hit hard.

As for fury all time… the dude is 6’10, retirees from boxing for 3 years to go on a bender, comes back and takes 2 fights before ending wilders career (exactly what he said he’d do). He’s 6’10 280 with the head movement of Floyd, and now has developed 1 punch knockout power. He’s too 5, probably top 3. The only 2 I’d take arguments for being better are Tyson and Ali.[/QUOTE]

I don't come on these forums or any form to argue with anyone, debate yes, but argue never. I respect your opinion and everyone else that takes the time to contribute to these forums. With that said, Top 3-5? Come'on he's not even in the top 20. In no order - Joe Louis, Ali, Dempsey, Marciano, Holyfield, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lennox, Jack Johnson, Wlad, Vitaly. And these are just off the top of my head. Again, I respect your opinion, but you are way off on Fury being top 3-5.

 

[AceKing21]

Wladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight of this century, and it's not even close, IMO. Wladimir is in the discussion of greats of all time, not Fury.


Go ahead and claim he's not, but he held the Belts for longer than anyone of this era by a long shot - defended his titles by far more than anyone. He fought in more title fights than anyone (29).

His "loss" to Joshua was GARBAGE, BTW. One of the most bunk stoppages I have ever seen. Only stopped because it was at Wembley - Klitschko was beating Joshua.

I think Wlad was a very good fighter in a poor era of heavyweights. His size and power were his biggest advantages. I've always said if the Klitschko's were 6 inches shorter, they would have been average, maybe top 5 guys in any era, but certainly not world beaters. Wlad got stopped in 4 of his 5 losses and 3 of those losses were against Corrie Sanders, Ross Puritty, and Lamon Brewster. None of those guys were exactly a top heavyweight, ever. Wlad does hold some impressive records I will give him credit for.

 

[Chris Lean]

AJ would get exposed even worse than wilder. He may be in better shape, but he can’t take a punch and he doesn’t hit hard.

As for fury all time… the dude is 6’10, retirees from boxing for 3 years to go on a bender, comes back and takes 2 fights before ending wilders career (exactly what he said he’d do). He’s 6’10 280 with the head movement of Floyd, and now has developed 1 punch knockout power. He’s too 5, probably top 3. The only 2 I’d take arguments for being better are Tyson and Ali.

I don't come on these forums or any form to argue with anyone, debate yes, but argue never. I respect your opinion and everyone else that takes the time to contribute to these forums. With that said, Top 3-5? Come'on he's not even in the top 20. In no order - Joe Louis, Ali, Dempsey, Marciano, Holyfield, Frazier, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lennox, Jack Johnson, Wlad, Vitaly. And these are just off the top of my head. Again, I respect your opinion, but you are way off on Fury being top 3-5.[/QUOTE]
That’s wild… the guys you named wouldn’t be able to touch him. Again not hostile, but nobody you named has ever fought someone that fights the way fury does (head movement counter punching etc)

 

[Northerner]

I think Wlad was a very good fighter in a poor era of heavyweights. His size and power were his biggest advantages. I've always said if the Klitschko's were 6 inches shorter, they would have been average, maybe top 5 guys in any era, but certainly not world beaters. Wlad got stopped in 4 of his 5 losses and 3 of those losses were against Corrie Sanders, Ross Puritty, and Lamon Brewster. None of those guys were exactly a top heavyweight, ever. Wlad does hold some impressive records I will give him credit for.

I think some of his losses weren't shining, but he didn't duck anyone. 29 title fights in an era where MONEY was more than it ever was (therefore in theory great athletes should have aspired to be boxers) kind of puts Wlad right up there at the top all time, IMV. I agree with a lot of this guy's opinion on Wlad on why he is one of the truly greats. I put Wladimir right up next to Ali, Marciano and Louis:


Why Wladimir Klitschko is one of the greatest heavyweights of all time


Vitaly was amazing as well and I think he beat Lennox, to be honest (that was another nonsense stoppage due to a cut on his face - Vitaly threw a fit in the ring after that stoppage it was so trash):