Player Discussion Alexis Lafreniere

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wtf should drury be doing? Posting on hf to get our opinion?
This take is out there.
I can easily get a sense of how he evaluated a roster by his moves. I don’t need him to announce a thesis statement on his upcoming moves, I get that when he makes a move.
This seems like just random drury hate because he’s not hosting a press conference every 3 weeks to ask fans what he should do…
I've never criticized Drury's aloofness. I'm just remarking about it as fact. It's his prerogative to conduct business the way he wants. He is much more secretive than some of his other peers. He works in NY with an established fanbase, The GM of a small market team might need to be more open and connected to grow their fanbase.
 
I don't see the issue with his preseason. He looks exactly like the player the Rangers developed him to be. A tertiary winger who can chip in 40 points on the 3rd line.
Looks like a 1970-1980 NHL player.

The theme for the org. Sather approved
 
How exactly did they "develop him to be a 40 pt player?" Did they make him shoot right handed? Give him ill-fitting skates? Demand he doesn't work on his game?

Why would the Rangers try and make their first ever 1OA pick bad? Where's the logic? Because they asked him to learn how to play defense?
By making him prepare and ready himself to do the grindy, mucky things third liners do, rather than to continue developing his obvious first line skill set even through the natural growing pains he'd face.

And that's what he's become.

In terms of the fix: His first step is to lose weight and become less thick and more lean. He's become way less quick and agile than he was at 18-19. His body shape and composition is an indictment of the Rangers' development coaches and program (such as they are).
 
By making him prepare and ready himself to do the grindy, mucky things third liners do, rather than to continue developing his obvious first line skill set even through the natural growing pains he'd face.

And that's what he's become.

In terms of the fix: His first step is to lose weight and become less thick and more lean. He's become way less quick and agile than he was at 18-19.
How fragile is this guy that he can’t learn how to play a complete game? I must have missed his first season when he came out of the gates flying up and down the ice, dangling defenseman and scoring at will only to be neutered by the organization.
 
I think the major reason Edge is gone was because he was forced to defend himself to a certain group of posters constantly.

He had legit sources & provided real insight AS WELL AS potential moves or inclinations of the org.

When he said "they're talking about XYZ" & then XYZ didn't happen, he was attacked for being a fake & a troll.

It was so ridiculous, unwarranted & PATHETIC that he was chased away for giving us the info he could give us WITHOUT losing his sources or getting any of those sources fired from their legit NHL jobs.

As a NYR Fan... disappointment is a big part of our vocabulary.

Edge being chased off is the most disappointing thing that's happened on this board.
There was one dope imparticular who went out of his way to call Edge out on here whenever possible. Somebody pm me this guy's name please.

Edge was gold here. Sad for those who haven't gotten to read his insight. I originally started here in 2005 and I've seen none better.
 
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How exactly did they "develop him to be a 40 pt player?" Did they make him shoot right handed? Give him ill-fitting skates? Demand he doesn't work on his game?

Why would the Rangers try and make their first ever 1OA pick bad? Where's the logic? Because they asked him to learn how to play defense?

They told him the only path forward to a bigger role was to change positions. They showed him there was absolutely no opportunity at PP1 no matter what he did because the veterans own it and Panarin becomes a sad-boy when Strome isn't on the ice with him. They constantly tried to get him to play "the right way" while their $11m franchise winger coughed the puck up at the blue line and flung blind, back-handed passes across the offensive zone night after night. Then when he did show he could do all of those things early last season, the coach decided to send him back to the 3rd line to "shake things up" or some bullshit because the team had a slow start.

They took a can't miss, franchise altering talent and made him a passenger. They nuked his confidence by keeping him on a short leash and making him a tentative skater who deferred to the other guys on his line. Then they did it again with Lafreniere.

So again, how exactly do you think he should've taken more control of his career?
 
They told him the only path forward to a bigger role was to change positions. They showed him there was absolutely no opportunity at PP1 no matter what he did because the veterans own it and Panarin becomes a sad-boy when Strome isn't on the ice with him. They constantly tried to get him to play "the right way" while their $11m franchise winger coughed the puck up at the blue line and flung blind, back-handed passes across the offensive zone night after night. Then when he did show he could do all of those things early last season, the coach decided to send him back to the 3rd line to "shake things up" or some bullshit because the team had a slow start.

They took a can't miss, franchise altering talent and made him a passenger. They nuked his confidence by keeping him on a short leash and making him a tentative skater who deferred to the other guys on his line. Then they did it again with Lafreniere.

So again, how exactly do you think he should've taken more control of his career?
Requested a trade.

As usual you've summed it up nicely.
 
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By doing what exactly?
Exactly he can't give himself more ice time. He can't choose his own linemates. He can't choose to be on PP1. Coach decides that. Management decides that. They all chose wrong. His development suffered. And now the fans point the finger at the 21 year old kid instead of the rich f*** old boys club that runs this organization who prioritize big names and glitz and glam over hockey.
 
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How fragile is this guy that he can’t learn how to play a complete game? I must have missed his first season when he came out of the gates flying up and down the ice, dangling defenseman and scoring at will only to be neutered by the organization.
You don't draft a guy 1OA with those skills and then tell him to train and ready himself to become a third liner. (Well, I guess you do if you're the Rangers, but smart teams don't.)
 
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They told him the only path forward to a bigger role was to change positions. They showed him there was absolutely no opportunity at PP1 no matter what he did because the veterans own it and Panarin becomes a sad-boy when Strome isn't on the ice with him. They constantly tried to get him to play "the right way" while their $11m franchise winger coughed the puck up at the blue line and flung blind, back-handed passes across the offensive zone night after night. Then when he did show he could do all of those things early last season, the coach decided to send him back to the 3rd line to "shake things up" or some bullshit because the team had a slow start.

They took a can't miss, franchise altering talent and made him a passenger. They nuked his confidence by keeping him on a short leash and making him a tentative skater who deferred to the other guys on his line. Then they did it again with Lafreniere.

So again, how exactly do you think he should've taken more control of his career?
When did they make him switch positions? When did he ever show something that warranted replacing someone on one of the best PPs in the league? Forget Strome or Panarin, when did he ever show he belonged on the top line outside of that stretch in the playoffs, when he played on the 3rd line? He was the first overall pick, he's not supposed to need massive amounts of developing, he should be developed. He should have come in here day one and proved his worth. Showed a few flashes, made you say wow he's good. Instead it's been three years of mediocrity at best. Newsflash, he's not a franchise altering talent. If he were, it wouldn't matter who he played with. Do you think guys like MacKinnon, Crosby, Stamkos, need perfect linemates to show what they can do?

Nuked his confidence, lol. C'mon with this shit. Pathetic.
 
His development, including body and training, should have been essentially kidnapped and helicopter parented by the Rangers. They didn't do anything close to that.
 
You don't draft a guy 1OA with those skills and then tell him to train and ready himself to become a third liner. (Well, I guess you do if you're the Rangers, but smart teams don't.)
If he had the skill, it would be evident. Regardless of who he plays with. And when did they ever tell him to train like a 3rd liner?? I thought we weren't supposed to number lines around here anymore.
 
Requested a trade.

As usual you've summed it up nicely.

But even making that kind of request just hurts his standing more with the team and that early in his career puts a giant malcontent label on his back. I'm sure that was on the table during contract negotiations though. Whoever you want to blame, Laf's lack of development has literally cost him millions of dollars. You can be damned sure his agent is holding it over Drury's head and I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reason his bridge deal took extra time this summer.
 
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He's going to ask out this year. Rightfully so.

If he had the skill, it would be evident. Regardless of who he plays with. And when did they ever tell him to train like a 3rd liner?? I thought we weren't supposed to number lines around here anymore.

The WJC was played only a few months before his rookie season. His skills there were self-evident.
If he had the skill, it would be evident. Regardless of who he plays with. And when did they ever tell him to train like a 3rd liner?? I thought we weren't supposed to number lines around here anymore.

They told him to train like a third liner when they ... made him a third liner.
 
But even making that kind of request just hurts his standing more with the team and that early in his career puts a giant malcontent label on his back. I'm sure that was on the table during contract negotiations though. Whoever you want to blame, Laf's lack of development has literally cost him millions of dollars. You can be damned sure his agent is holding it over Drury's head and I wouldn't be surprised if that was a reason his bridge deal took extra time this summer.
Oh I totally agree, and you were right to point out that the same playbook was used for Kakko the year before. It was baffling to watch the Rangers just run the same process right back. It's even more baffling the amount of people who don't seem to see the obvious symmetry between Lafreniere and Kakko's careers so far. Continuing to harp that if they were Crosby or even MacKinnon tier talents then no team could ruin them doesn't change the fact that whatever potential they had was and largely continues to be blatantly depreciated by the organization.
 
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Oh I totally agree, and you were right to point out that the same playbook was used for Kakko the year before. It was baffling to watch the Rangers just run the same process right back. It's even more baffling the amount of people who don't seem to see the obvious symmetry between Lafreniere and Kakko's careers so far. Continuing to harp that if they were Crosby or even MacKinnon tier talents then no team could ruin them doesn't change the fact that whatever potential they had was and largely continues to be blatantly depreciated by the organization.
Three different coaches, two different GMs, same exact player. And I don't think it's fair to lump Kakko in with Lafreniere.
 
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