Player Discussion Alexis Lafreniere

[mike14]

How does it look now?

???
The link is there, you can check it yourself...

 

[haohmaru]

Lafreniere is freaking invisible tonight.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Big game without Laf tonight

 

[bhamill]

I really want it to work out. I still have hope for him. I don’t want him traded, demoted, cut, whatever. But we need to stop with excuses and blaming the coaches. If he can’t play RW, it’s unfortunate because that’s his path to the top 6. Skate on the 3rd line, play hard, take it serious and let’s see where the chips fall at the end of the year. Because the stone cold truth is, the two guys ahead of him on the depth chart are much, much better players.

Yeah, hope I didn’t come off as inferring you are rooting for failure. I don’t think that.
Im not about “excuses” but I am about understanding circumstances and tempering my expectations accordingly. And the fact is Laf’s circumstances differ from the overwhelming lion’s share of top five picks.
Yes, Kreider and Panarin are proven 1 LW options. Laf has scored at a borderline 3rd/2nd line winger pace. As Laf gets to age 25 Panarin will likely be gone, and Kreider will be on the downslope though I don’t expect an athlete as conditioned as him to fall off a cliff. Ideally Laf is able to transition to the RW, I’d give it at least 20 regular season games, but who knows if Lavi will…

Lafreniere is freaking invisible tonight.

Came here to say that. Hahaha.

 

[bhamill]

Hughes proved me wrong. I was concerned he might be a lesser player (because he was smaller) than he has become.

Yup. Hughes has exceeded a lot of draft projections I think, and watching him in his D+1 there was a TON of doubt.

 

[Baby Punisher]

Yeah, hope I didn’t come off as inferring you are rooting for failure. I don’t think that.
Im not about “excuses” but I am about understanding circumstances and tempering my expectations accordingly. And the fact is Laf’s circumstances differ from the overwhelming lion’s share of top five picks.
Yes, Kreider and Panarin are proven 1 LW options. Laf has scored at a borderline 3rd/2nd line winger pace. As Laf gets to age 25 Panarin will likely be gone, and Kreider will be on the downslope though I don’t expect an athlete as conditioned as him to fall off a cliff. Ideally Laf is able to transition to the RW, I’d give it at least 20 regular season games, but who knows if Lavi will…


Came here to say that. Hahaha.

a quarter of the season is reasonable....to a point. You have to see real progress every few games to justify keeping him on the right side.

 

[bleedblue94]

What I was trying to convey is that an issue of that nature is pretty darn obvious to pick up on just from watching a player play the game. Its not some special insight that no one who previously watched him play the game could have seen coming.

Which then should bring into question league wise scouting bc going back and reviewing the reports on him most didn't even sniff this publicly

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

let's say there were 100 scouts in a room with just one reporter (i'll use emily kaplan for this post) at the day of the draft. there's no argument from me here that the every scout is going to 100% say that 13 is the 1st pick no doubt about it.

emily goes ask each of those 100 if there are doubts about 13 being #1 pick. surely there must have been at least 5 scouts that had legit concerns. but it would have been real ballsy to tell emily how they really felt. after all for a few years there was a huge buzz about the kid and he just lit up the league with sid crosby type of numbers for the same organization rimouskie. all 5 scouts would have had both their credibility and sanity questioned by all.

 

[LORDE]

I see a bunch of people pining for Edge here recently and the fact that he called out these issues with Laf pre draft. I miss the guy and really wish he was still here, but isn’t the beating that Laf has been taking since day one part of the reason Edge left?

I seem to remember him dismissing several of us that started voicing concern during that first season. Am I misremembering that?

I think the major reason Edge is gone was because he was forced to defend himself to a certain group of posters constantly.

He had legit sources & provided real insight AS WELL AS potential moves or inclinations of the org.

When he said "they're talking about XYZ" & then XYZ didn't happen, he was attacked for being a fake & a troll.

It was so ridiculous, unwarranted & PATHETIC that he was chased away for giving us the info he could give us WITHOUT losing his sources or getting any of those sources fired from their legit NHL jobs.

As a NYR Fan... disappointment is a big part of our vocabulary.

Edge being chased off is the most disappointing thing that's happened on this board.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Laffy over/under 52 points this year

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

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Link?

 

[NickyFotiu]

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Wow I had not seen anyone calling out the effort that directly. Is it deserved? Is it over due? If it is deserved than Drury and Lav should either speak to Laf directly or to his agent. I have long believed that having a great motor is just as much a talent as shooting...maybe more. I really hope Laf gets the message from somebody. It hurts us all if Laf does not succeed here as a NYR. I do understand a 19-21 year old not being mature enough to work hard at a job but it will be really terrible for us as a NYR franchise if he does not find that motor this season.

 

[will1066]

Link?

Yeah. Who is Vince quoting?

 

[NickyFotiu]

Yeah. Who is Vince quoting?

Is it a quote? Or Vince's summary of things the media has been told over the years?

 

[IDvsEGO]

Yeah. Who is Vince quoting?

That’s the thing, he’s not truly quoting. He’s taking what gallant said when he benched Laf, which was that he needed to see more.
He’s also taking what lavi said about back checking, which wasn’t directly at Laf specifically. And combining them to make a narrative.

It could be the correct narrative but i haven’t seen lavi specifically call out Laf for his effort especially since there are plenty of vets who were worse than him so far.

 

[will1066]

Is it a quote? Or Vince's summary of things the media has been told over the years?

That’s the thing, he’s not truly quoting. He’s taking what gallant said when he benched Laf, which was that he needed to see more.
He’s also taking what lavi said about back checking, which wasn’t directly at Laf specifically. And combining them to make a narrative.

It could be the correct narrative but i haven’t seen lavi specifically call out Laf for his effort especially since there are plenty of vets who were worse than him so far.

I guess Vince is counting on Laf not speaking to him anymore then.

And just as an aside, a lot of people criticize Brooks for analyzing instead of reporting. Brooks' role has evolved. That's why he's an uncle. But people call him out for guessing and making shit up. Well, that's what we do here too. Mollie does the reporting. Brooks is pontificating along with the rest of us. Maybe Vince's role is evolving from straight reporting.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Yeah. Who is Vince quoting?

He’s not quoting anyone, it’s his own personal opinion of the situation from his last podcast episode. That quote there is also cutting out important context to make it super clickbaity.

It’s not that hard to transcribe a 30 second audio clip. Those types of post are the lame shit you see on random hockey instagram accounts looking for views.

Vince even said himself from his discussions with Laf that it sounded like he worked hard on his skating and other areas of his game this summer. Laf mentioned he was working with Dawn Braid (skating coach) in Montreal during one of his interviews a week or so ago. He hasn’t looked good this preseason, so it’s not an excuse for him, but the rest of the team sans like 4 players has also looked horrible.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I guess Vince is counting on Laf not speaking to him anymore then.

And just as an aside, a lot of people criticize Brooks for analyzing instead of reporting. Brooks' role has evolved. That's why he's an uncle. But people call him out for guessing and making shit up. Well, that's what we do here too. Mollie does the reporting. Brooks is pontificating along with the rest of us. Maybe Vince's role is evolving from straight reporting.

No one is questioning what brooks is doing.
They’re questioning if he knows what era of hockey this is.
Brooks is a joke because he doesn’t understand how hockey has changed. Not because he doesn’t do actual reporting.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I just listened to his podcast and that quote is where it is pulled from - however whoever through that together took the liberty of twisting the quote to make it seem worse than what Vince was saying.

He said that Lav hasnt outwardly said anything about Laf's lack of effort but the demotion in practice may point to that

 

[will1066]

He’s not quoting anyone, it’s his own personal opinion of the situation from his last podcast episode. That quote there is also cutting out important context to make it super clickbaity.

It’s not that hard to transcribe a 30 second audio clip. Those types of post are the lame shit you see on random hockey instagram accounts looking for views.

Vince even said himself from his discussions with Laf that it sounded like he worked hard on his skating and other areas of his game this summer. Laf mentioned he was working with Dawn Braid (skating coach) in Montreal during one of his interviews a week or so ago. He hasn’t looked good this preseason, so it’s not an excuse for him, but the rest of the team sans like 4 players has also looked horrible.

It's why I avoid clicking and listening to such things.

 

[Greschner4]

Looks like he didn't do a thing over the summer and doesn't even have the standard baseline interest in readying himself to impress a new boss.

His motor sucks. He did have something of a playoff pick-me-up in his motor the first two rounds of 2022 and didn't even have that last year.

 

[savebyrichter94]

That’s the thing, he’s not truly quoting. He’s taking what gallant said when he benched Laf, which was that he needed to see more.
He’s also taking what lavi said about back checking, which wasn’t directly at Laf specifically. And combining them to make a narrative.

It could be the correct narrative but i haven’t seen lavi specifically call out Laf for his effort especially since there are plenty of vets who were worse than him so far.

Rightly or wrongly, I think Vince is looking at his effort on that goal against the other night and then marrying it to Lavi’s comments about backchecking

It’s just a weird vibe with Laf all around and sorta seems like it’s gonna come to a head at some point this year one way or another

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

This is who Laf worked with. Glad to hear he worked with her over the summer.

 

[NickyFotiu]

He’s not quoting anyone, it’s his own personal opinion of the situation from his last podcast episode. That quote there is also cutting out important context to make it super clickbaity.

It’s not that hard to transcribe a 30 second audio clip. Those types of post are the lame shit you see on random hockey instagram accounts looking for views.

Vince even said himself from his discussions with Laf that it sounded like he worked hard on his skating and other areas of his game this summer. Laf mentioned he was working with Dawn Braid (skating coach) in Montreal during one of his interviews a week or so ago. He hasn’t looked good this preseason, so it’s not an excuse for him, but the rest of the team sans like 4 players has also looked horrible.

I had not seen that. I'm glad to hear that. Do you have a link to any of that?