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Good news is that shooting is the easiest thing to work on.
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will1066
If you score four, you better f'n win the game
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Well, context also matters. Team is heavily reliant on lateral plays to create wide open nets to shoot into. A lot of people see that the team has difficulty beating goalies cleanly.
I think we have three guys that can do it Panarin, Trocheck and Mika. Mika usually scores on cross ice passes though.
A lot of teams have difficulty beating goalies clean. It doesn’t happen very often and there are maybe a handful of players in the league who can do this regularly.
Trocheck is one of the worst shooters on the team.
I don't know what his shooting percentage is but I feel like I see Trocheck beat the goalie clean more often than most players on the team. Maybe my eye test is failing me.
NYR Viper
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A lot of the Trochek shots seem to be in and around the net which helps
Shesterkybomb
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Add pp1 time to Lafreniere and he'd be ahead of everyone not named panarin or fox on this team in points most years. We could have had this Laf 2 years ago but they needed him to be a grinder instead because reasons.
will1066
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We're 12th in team shooting percentage, all situations. But at 5v5, we're 18th. What's most telling at 5v5 is that we're 26th in high danger shots. This tells us why we're getting goalied. Our shots aren't dangerous to goalies to begin with. Power play is good, of course.
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SA16
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Why do you want to take the player who is 2nd on the team in PP Points, replaced him with a lefty, and blow up the entire structure of the PP? They are the number 2 PP in the league. Because theyv'e had one cold stretch? This structure has shown for years it's extremely effective.
And I don't want to hear that Zibanejad's one timer is predictable or they try to force it. I've already shown that is completely untrue.
1. Predictably is not even bad. That's just playing to your strengths.
2. It's just simply not the case. There are 110 forwards who have at least 100 5v4 minutes this year. Zibanejad has 24.5% of the shot attempts while on the ice. That ranks *26th* in the league. It's less than Panarin takes on the same unit. If the Rangers PP is predictable at trying to feed that play so is every team in the league.
3. Why would you want a structure that makes Panarin handle the puck less?
4. PP2 doesn't need a center who can win draws. They barely play and very rarely start a shift with a faceoff. Brodzinski has 12 faceoffs at 5v4 in 23 games. Wheeler has 21. Chytil had 6 in 12 games. I don't think we need to worry about PP2 faceoffs when they average about 1 per game.
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KirkAlbuquerque
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Somehow every team we play against had guys who can do it
TopShelfSnipes
Ella Shelton > Ryan Lindgren + it's not even close
Because our #1 overall pick, who has a higher ceiling, who has taken massive strides this year, would benefit from the development and it will make our team better in the end, and he has shown tremendous chemistry with two of the other forwards who will be on the ice with him at the same time, plus it opens up more one-time options and creates space for everyone.
1-Powerplays are not stagnant. Every time anyone suggests toggling a stale powerplay that has largely relied on Panarin, Fox, and Kreider, this is always the result. There should be lots of movement because it opens passing and shooting lanes, and when the team is going well, they are already doing this. Fox and Panarin are free to switch with one another, and often do. Fox and Zibanejad switch all the time, then switch back. Even Trocheck sometimes ends up at the left circle. It's not as if everybody is playing stagnant and just stands in one position.
2-Zibanejad has scored 3 goals on full wind-up one timers on the PP in the last rolling year. That's one of the most forced plays of the PP and one of the worst because it almost always leads to a zone clear or a whistle because he rarely gets it on net for a rebound, deflection, or a goal. It's almost always off the glass, deflected into crowd, or hits the goalie in the chest for a whistle. His accuracy is abysmal by that metric given the number of attempts given that it's by far his most attempted shot on the PP. Most of the goals he's scored come off broken plays or backdoor plays when he actually goes down low. Panarin is still a one-time threat from the left circle, and actually hits the net a lot more often even if his shot isn't as hard.
3-How does letting Panarin play his natural position on the PP, in a playmaking/shooting position where he was successful both his rookie year and late last year, while opening up a left shot on the right side for a one-timer to counter the RH shot one-timer on the left side, result in Panarin handling the puck less? He's still free to play catch with it, look for passing lanes and shoot.
4-They don't "need" a center who can win draws but it would help, and Zibanejad would certainly be a massive upgrade over Wheeler or Brodzinski in multiple areas, not only on draws. PP1 is also less effective after a minute so constantly leaving them out for 90 seconds is not a winning formula either.
Thats not what getting goalie'd is.
Getting goalie'd is when you put up a ton of quality and don't score or barely score
See: St Louis game, Yesterday's game (despite the win), the Vancouver game, the Montreal game. They've gotten goalie'd recently but it hasn't been a season long thing.
Being 26th 5v5 makes sense, they have 1 line.
KirkAlbuquerque
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i don't think so.
Have you seen the state of goaltending around the league?
Goaltending is the least of our problems.
The age of Lundqvist , Quick, Price holding teams to under 2 GAA for the season are dead. You need to be able to score goals in this league, or at least play stellar defense. We do neither at the moment.
will1066
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Ok, that's not getting goalied. I'll agree there. But the way you're talking is like it'll normalize by itself. The jokes on here that every backup or no-name goalie looks like a Vezina winner to this team didn't just manifest. It's been going on awhile. We wouldn't perpetuate it or joke about it if we don't see it happening. You can say every team gets goalie'd, which might be true, but there are still 11 teams that still shoot better than this one.
You look at Kreider's last two breakaways and you shake your head. I think earlier in the year we saw Jimmy Vesey back pass on a breakaway.
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SA16
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Ok but the team is a Stanley Cup Contender and is not going to sacrifice their performance for the sake of one player. That would certainly not go over well with the rest of the players nor with the fans if they start losing games because of it. Not to mention, Lafreniere not being on PP1 does not seem to be harming his development whatsoever. He's been great at 5v5 anyway. What would having some extra points do?
1. That is because there is no reason to change the PP. This is the classic case of misunderstanding variance. When things aren't working you don't need to change things up to feel like you're doing something. If you flip a coin tails 6 times in a row you don't need to suddenly toss the coin higher in the air because you're flipping it incorrectly. The PP has been great for years ever since Strome has been in this role. Teams know the structure the Rangers use. It hasn't mattered. They've still produced with it consistently. It's shown time and time again it's effective so there is no reason to make a change because it's gone a few years without scoring.
2. But it's not their most forced play. I already showed that. He doesn't have the most shots on the team on the PP. There's at least 25 players in the league who are forced more shots. He also often makes the slap pass from there . The way you're talking he's so ineffective in that spot I'd think the Rangers have one of the worst PPs in the league yet it's not the case. IT's been one of the best. How is his accuracy abysmal? Let's look at the forwards who have 200+ mins at 5v4 since last year. There are 169 of them. Of those, let's look at the forwards who shoot a lot. There are 20 of them with at least 30 shot attempts/60 minutes. He's gotten 56% of his shot attempts on goal. That's better than Steven Stamkos, Kirill Kaprizov, Jack Hughes, Auston Matthews, David Pastrnak, Andrei Svechnikov, Alex Ovechkin. It's better than Artemi Panarin. If you think he's less accurate this year, that's true, he's at 50.6% which is still better than Panarin. Ovechkin, Matthews, Kaprizov, Hughes, Forsberg, Kempe etc.
3. Why do we need to put Panarin in his "natural position" for the PP? He's been incredibly successful in the role he's in where he can use his playmaking ability even more. It's not keeping him from scoring. He already has 6 5v4 goals this year which matches the most he's had in any season since 2017. I don't know if putting Laf on the unit would even do that. Laf has often played the left side on the PP.
4. I think a center who can win draws on PP2 would make absolutely zero difference. They average 1 faceoff per game and they will never be taking one in a critical situation. The difference between someone winning 50% vs 60% is about 8 faceoffs win on the season. It's also easier to win faceoffs on the PP with the extra guy. The combination of Wheeler/Brodzinski/Chytil are 25/39 as it is. There is also nothing thing preventing them from just putting Trocheck out for a PP2 draw and going straight to the bench and changing after he wins it anyway. Teams do things like that in OT all the time. The Leafs do it constantly with David Kampf.
Chances are Panarin/Kreider/Zibanejad/Trocheck will not combine to miss zero games for the remainder of the season and when someone is out he'll get his chance there.
I also don't think the best strategy is to have the maximum amount of one time options. I think it's to understand what you do best and play into it. The way it is right now they have multiple viable plays with Panarin controlling the puck. The pass to the slot for Trocheck. The pass across for Zibanejad to one time. The shot for Kreider to tip in. Panarin circling to the slot to take his wrist shot. They don't need more options or to become less predictable. Nobody has shown long term that they can stop it so why do they need to add more plays? I'd rather have a smaller playbook of plays that I know are successful than a larger playbook with plays that might not be as good.
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I feel like people want Laf on PP1 just so they can say I told you so on the main boards. PP1 is the best it could be right now.
People will find any reason to not be happy. The rangers have one of the best power plays in the league but some people will not be satisfied until their guy is the one getting the points. It’s unreal
PP1 is starting to struggle. I'm not saying it's at that point yet... But if the trend continues, Laf probably gets a shot, but in what position?
Trocheck is there for the faceoffs.
So the question becomes, could Lavi demote Zib to PP2?
That doesn't feel like something a vet coach does.
Trocheck is there for the faceoffs.
So the question becomes, could Lavi demote Zib to PP2?
That doesn't feel like something a vet coach does.
GENESISPuck94
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Been saying this for 2 years now. The kid produces. He's just never had the opportunity on this team until this season and he's still not getting the opportunities he should be getting.
Next season if he's not on PP1 by default they have major problems.
He'd be pacing an 80+ season right now if he were on PP1 all season. You could probably add at least 10 or so PP points to his current totals right now. He would be at his points totals from last season already.
People are going to argue that "he's already getting a lot of 5v5 time". Great, 1st overall picks should be getting all the 5v5 time. They also should be getting the PP1 time, 4v4, and 3v3 OT.
SA16
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I wouldn't really say it's struggling. They have 2 goals, 25 shots, and 45 shot attempts (4.5 xG) over the last 4 games in 18.2 minutes. They're not going to score every game.
And the answer is likely never. Laviolette has shown extreme confidence in the line combinations and has not really changed them the entire years. The PP units have never changed. The D pairs have never changed. The Panarin line has never changed (other than injury). The Zibanejad/Kreider combined has never changed and even the rotating RW spot has got many games together before changes.
Shesterkybomb
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Hot dog eating, slob ball playing, beer drinking, not working out, trade him for a 4th rounder, fat, no first rounder trade wanna be maaafaca...lol
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The Crypto Guy
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I guess you havent been watching the last 2 weeks. The PP is stale as ass.
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