Starting to see why Ray Ferraro said people overrate and have unrealistic expectations of CHL prospects who score big numbers
it’s not a difficult league to score in.
it’s not a difficult league to score in.
Value of: Alexis Lafreniere & Kaapo Kakko
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Again peeps, calm down, relax.
Deal extra vets incl Strome
give mo mins to youth
standardize lines
Goodrow-Zib-Panarin
LaF-Chytil-Gauthier
Kreider-Barron-Kakko
above w/repetition gets it done
Deal extra vets incl Strome
give mo mins to youth
standardize lines
Goodrow-Zib-Panarin
LaF-Chytil-Gauthier
Kreider-Barron-Kakko
above w/repetition gets it done
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
That's a weak top-9 given the production level of those players. I think the whole purpose of this thread is to try and improve the team.
Why?
honest ask -- pls give details...
Zib = facilitator w/point production
Panarin = point producer
Goodrow = adequate passer, does dirty work
that line has enuf
LaF-Chytil-Gauthier
LaF = scorer
Chytil = faciltator
Gauthier = driver of play
LaF + Chytil have already looked good together in limited experience
Kreider-Barron/Krav-Kakko
Ws w/size who are scoring/potential scoring
Barron has size + mobility is unknown, raw rookie
presume Krav eventually dealt, would be more developed better scoring stopgap if he returned.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Zibanejad and Panarin are both top producers but the rest of the group is weak. Goodrow is not a top-6 forward, and Laf, Kakko, Chytil, Gauthier, Barron, and Kravstov all need to develop/prove themselves as scorers.
Geardedandbearded
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Who woulda thought laf would have his toews like fall after winning the wjc instead of the cup! In all seriousness though he was a guy who was above average at everything but exceptional at nothing but had such good puck luck that when an opportunity plopped on his stick ppl thought he created it lol
Would Panthers even trade Lundell for Laf...I don't think so? I thought that NYR rushed Laf a bit, but i am still surprised at his non performance so far.
I think that MN might trade Boldy and Greenway for him, but I wouldn't bet on it. The worrying thing about Lafreniere is that he looks slow, or at least slow'ish out there.
I think that MN might trade Boldy and Greenway for him, but I wouldn't bet on it. The worrying thing about Lafreniere is that he looks slow, or at least slow'ish out there.
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how long before they are the next Nolan Patrick/Dylan Strome?
They both have all the tools to be great, but, will they ever learn to use them, or were they just overhyped prospects?
Im personally giving Kakko until the end of this year before I get too worried. For Laf he has an extra year.
1865
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You're not going to give up on 2 top-2 picks for cheap and nobody is going to offer you enough to make it viable.
An absolute non-starter of a thread.
An absolute non-starter of a thread.
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some guys take longer ...they should stop rushing prospects and give them some time to get physically stronger, and learn how to play in the AHL vs men before throwing them into the NHL green and raw, unless they are an exceptional talent, and dominate pre-season, but, even then, short leash and minors as soon as they slump
Flaws in prospects don't disappear overnight... or ever.
Dylan Strome still isn't a great skater (maybe just slightly above NHL average) and from what I saw during the NHL draft eligible year... I thought he made slow decisions and that his offense would not translate into the NHL.
Folks point to Jesse Puljujarvi as a success story but the flaws from his first NHL season still appear - he bobbles the puck too much (maybe because of the long stick he uses). On the other hand, he's MUCH stronger on the puck than before - where he used to lose possession if you just touched him. He just found a role suited to his skillset... if he was relied on to drive a line he would sink.
Where's the high-end playmaking skill or shot in Laf or Kakko? With Draisaitl... he always had elite playmaking skill (and HHOF worthy backhand saucer). You saw it at every level he played at. His first step was awful and he lacked the strength to protect the puck (when younger).
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But for every rare Draisaitl, there's 20 others who vanish into the sunset or just end up decent players. The thing that worries me most about Lafreniere and Kakko so far -- other than the lack of production -- is that neither have displayed any "oh wow, now I see the pending greatness" flashes. Tim Stutzle had more flashes of greatness in one week than 13 or 24 have had since they've been in the NHL combined. Like man, give us all a glimpse. These guys might end up being the Hischier/Patrick types which would be a massive disappointment.
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The opportunities weren't "puck luck" or just chances created by other players. Good at most things. Not exceptional at anything, sure, but that second part is ridiculous. Laf had such good luck because he made good plays and was involved in the game. His backhand pass was nearly as good as his forehand pass. When you can backhand pass like that (Kuch, Crosby, etc) you should be making plays defense can't read or react to quick enough. Laf isn't doing any of that at the NHL level.
they don't ALL have to be top producers.
They have to be complementary.
All scorers w/no facilitators/drivers of play, or other similarly deficient combos, = fail.
The lines I suggested will work given enough familiarity.
On paper those lines are complementary
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Exactly. It kind of drives me crazy when people are like "Yeah, just look at Draisatl, MacKinnon and Couturier... all players who broke out a little later then expected". I mean, it is true but that's not the norm at all. With that said, I think Laffy will turn it around and the fact that he's playing on a team where there's a stud in front of him on the depth chart kind of puts him in bad situation, since he has to play with 3rd liners compared to top picks who are playing on the top line right off the bat because their team is deprived of talent.
Henkka
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How about taking Raymond, Lundell or Stützle first ?
CHL defencemen seem to be ok.
This current forward thing is weird.
Washed Up 29YearOld
Bro Do You Even Hockey?
What happens when you overhype 18 yr. old prospect who has yet to play a single NHL game, setting unrealistic expectations.
LiveLongandProspal
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What happens when you overhype 18 yr. old prospect who has yet to play a single NHL game, setting unrealistic expectations.
He was the #1 overall pick. How do you not have expectations?
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Why? The other team's top D and Forward line are matching up against Panarin, Zibanejad, etc. If anything, Lafrieniere and Kakko should be able to take advantage of that. Anton Lundell isn't playing on the top line in Florida and is performing well, etc. Kakko is in his 3rd season and has 0 points in 9 games this year -- ZERO. Lucas Raymond in Detroit has 3x as many points as Lafreniere and he's a rookie. Are Lafreniere and Kakko just getting paid to watch Panarin and Zibanejad like fans? Or are they expected to produce?
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