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NickyFotiu said:
If only that was the easy solution. If you have to play on a first line to score then you are not a first liner. People bash Strome. People know the second lines RW does little yet Panarin still produces. Laf not scoring is more about youth and experience not what line he is on. He will get better. He has been getting better already but if he can only get better if he plays with Zibs and Kreider than we are in trouble. Crosby double shifts with 4th line guys at times and still produces with them. Xooks led the team in scoring on a 3rd line with Brass and Pouliet. Lafs biggest issue right now in my mind is he gets stopped on those left hand boards. He really will benefit playing the right side. Get him looking towards the middle of the ice on his forehand. Guys like Panarin play that off wing for a reason.
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It's not like we're taking him from the first line to the second line, or we're playing a third line that's not a real third line like the one you mentioned.

He's gone from the first line to a line that scores like a fourth line. For no reason.
 
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Ola said:
Ultimately, scoring pts in the NHL 5 on 5 comes with so small marginals, that anyone not getting PP minutes will be very very streaky. Heck, you are bound to be really streaky at times even with PP time. Alexander Ovechkin had ZERO goals on the PP for 42 straight games in 2010-11. 42 games during which had around 100 great shot attempts on the PP, every chance in the world to pick up a rebound bouncing out to him on the left side, or score in any other way that you do on the PP.

There are players that score regularly 5 on 5 despite not getting PP time, but they are definitely the exception and not the rule.

I just don't think we should expect anyone that doesn't play on the PP to score regularly. I mean, over the course of say 5 years, perhaps its not unrealistic to like expect 0.6 pts or whatever for someone playing on a good 1st or 2nd line but without PP time, but during those 5 years, you should definitely also expect long droughts.
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Bro, there are PLENTY of players in the 19+ goal even strength category THIS SEASON ALONE that have scored those goals even strength but are still single digits in PP goals.

Not scoring on the PP means you are scoring regularly? You don't think that's absurd?

How about this, out of the top 20 even strength goal scorers this season, there are only 6 of them that are double digits in PP goals.

We need to stop making excuses for Laf not being a crazy goal scorer. Him being on PP1 is not going to happen soon as there are individuals that even I would put ahead of him being there.
 
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I hate to say it, but our PP1 is not built around young kids zip-zopping around the ice. It's build around Kreider's deflections/rebounds and Zbad's one-timer. That's all we have on the PP and it seems to be working very well. So well in fact that there's a snowball's chance in hell they change it.
 
Machinehead said:
It's not like we're taking him from the first line to the second line, or we're playing a third line that's not a real third line like the one you mentioned.

He's gone from the first line to a line that scores like a fourth line. For no reason.
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Panerin plays with Strome and Hunt.
Laf plays with Chytil and Goodrow.
It really is not that dramatic a difference but Panarin doesn't just not play because his linemates are not great.
Playing with better scorers will help Laf for sure but it is not easy. Laf has to be able to get better no matter who he plays with. Zooks spent time on the 4th line. So did Kreider. So did JT Miller. When you improve your own game you get more and more minutes with better and better players.
 
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ReddestRum said:
Bro, there are PLENTY of players in the 19+ goal even strength category THIS SEASON ALONE that have scored those goals even strength but are still single digits in PP goals.

Not scoring on the PP means you are scoring regularly? You don't think that's absurd?

How about this, out of the top 20 even strength goal scorers this season, there are only 6 of them that are double digits in PP goals.

We need to stop making excuses for Laf not being a crazy goal scorer. Him being on PP1 is not going to happen soon as there are individuals that even I would put ahead of him being there.
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I agree with you BUT if Laf and Kakko show they can score our second PP will get more minutes. We have seen good teams having 2 good PP units.
 
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NickyFotiu said:
I agree with you BUT if Laf and Kakko show they can score our second PP will get more minutes. We have seen good teams having 2 good PP units.
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I hear you. Tough when PP2 is out there for what... 20 seconds and one rush? PP1 doing so well for us is PP2's downfall. It even seems that games where we're blowing teams out or we're getting blown out, you'd think that PP2 would get more time, but PP1 is ALWAYS out there for a minute and a half.
 
ReddestRum said:
I hear you. Tough when PP2 is out there for what... 20 seconds and one rush? PP1 doing so well for us is PP2's downfall. It even seems that games where we're blowing teams out or we're getting blown out, you'd think that PP2 would get more time, but PP1 is ALWAYS out there for a minute and a half.
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They (PP2) have to show they deserve more minutes by scoring more whether on the PP or not. We have had some years here where I looked more forward to PP2 than PP1.
 
ReddestRum said:
Bro, there are PLENTY of players in the 19+ goal even strength category THIS SEASON ALONE that have scored those goals even strength but are still single digits in PP goals.

Not scoring on the PP means you are scoring regularly? You don't think that's absurd?

How about this, out of the top 20 even strength goal scorers this season, there are only 6 of them that are double digits in PP goals.

We need to stop making excuses for Laf not being a crazy goal scorer. Him being on PP1 is not going to happen soon as there are individuals that even I would put ahead of him being there.
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This is actually irrelevant to what I said, I didn’t comment on players scoring whatever amount of goals despite not scoring a majority of them on the PP. I commented about players not getting any PP time (nor PK time for that matter).

With PP time comes chances, puck touches which gives you confidence, regularity in ice time and a bunch of other things.

How can you be consistent without PP time and no special team ice time? All of a sudden a full period has gone by and you have barely seen the ice. In the blink of an eye 2-3 games have passed.

Even most ‘wide open net’ goals are fairly small margin with a goalie coming across still taking away a lot of the net. It takes a lot for a goal to be scored. Sam Bennet gets PP time in FLA and scores 59 pts in 68 games before scoring around 15-20 pts in Calgary. Playing on the PP is no guarantee, but not playing on the PP is more or less a guarantee that a young kid will go long stints without a point. And confidence and what not has a big impact.

Facts are that Laf production is record low AND Laf’s PP time is also de facto record low. These things go hand in hand.
 
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Gallant: Thanks for meeting with me today Alexis.
Lafreniere: No problem coach.
Gallant: I need to drop you to the third line.
Lafreniere: How come?
Gallant: I think you're more comfortable on LW. Your natural position.
Lafreniere: Got it. I'll do anything for the team.
Gallant: Awesome.
Lafreniere: I'd really like to get into the top six though. I've pretty much been a top line player my entire life. Is there still a way for me to earn my way up the lineup?
Gallant: Of course! The New York Rangers are a true meritocracy. Work hard and you shall be rewarded.
Lafreniere: So what do I have to do to get back into the top six?
Gallant: Play really well as our 3rd line LW.
Lafreniere: Great, and if I do that than I can play LW on one of the top two lines, right?
Gallant: No, of course not, that's where Artemi and Kreids play you silly goose.
Lafreniere: OK, that's fine, I can play RW, I thought I was doing OK on RW before.
Gallant: Me too! So play real well in this third line LW role and we'll get you back into the top six as a RW in no time at all.
Lafreniere: And you'll give me at least 3 or 4 games there to show you what I can do, right?
Gallant: No, of course not.
Lafreniere: Why not?
Gallant: Because Strome and Kakko are coming back soon you loony toon.
Lafreniere: OK....
Gallant: Obviously Strome needs to play with Artemi. This is known. And Copp and Artemi have been really good. So that's one line gone.
Lafreniere: OK....
Gallant: And Kakko is a natural RW. He's good. He should probably be in the top six also.
Lafreniere: But maybe he'll be rusty!
Gallant: That's why we have Vatrano, duh.
Lafreniere: OK.
Gallant: Yeah!
Lafreniere: So if I score a hat trick in each of our next three games, what happens? I can't play in the top six but maybe you could give me some PP1 time?
Gallant: Hahahaha, you really are crazy Alexis!
Lafreniere: So if I play really well in this 3rd line LW role you've given me, what happens exactly?
Gallant: Well... nothing, I guess. You just stay there.
Lafreniere: And if I play really poorly in this 3rd line LW role you've given me, what happens?
Gallant: Well... now that you put it that way... nothing. You're this franchise's first number one overall pick in forever. So, really, probably nothing happens.
Lafreniere: So no matter what I do, nothing can really change?
Gallant: Things are just different here, Laffy. Accept it, embrace it, love it. Good meeting, see you out there.
 
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IDvsEGO said:
PP 2 looked great when copp was on it.
When KK comes back i could easily see laf - chytil - KK
Copp- miller
That has alot of potential.
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You think they'd take Trouba off PP2? I kind of can't decide who I'd prefer back there, Trouba or Miller. Trouba has that rocket slapper. Miller is more dynamic carrying the puck as of late.
 
Peltz said:
You think they'd take Trouba off PP2? I kind of can't decide who I'd prefer back there, Trouba or Miller. Trouba has that rocket slapper. Miller is more dynamic carrying the puck as of late.
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Miller is far more dynamic. Trouba doesn't have the type of vision needed for the PP as it opperates now.
 
duhmetreE said:
Laffy has been getting his chances... he needs to start burying them.

It's a process. He'll start sniping soon enough
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It’s a process, he’s about to breakout… any time now
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duhmetreE said:
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So what you're saying is that he has the most games played on that list, has the 2nd least amount of points, least amount of P/PG, and even Filip has a better +/- than he does? Even after all of this, he somehow deserves Power Play 1 time because that would somehow vault him to the stratosphere in points. Dare I say, as much as I would like to see Laf on PP1 myself, dude has to earn it just like everyone else.

Weird flex to highlight something he's not even excelling superbly at, but still just ignore everything else.
 
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ReddestRum said:
So what you're saying is that he has the most games played on that list, has the 2nd least amount of points, least amount of P/PG, and even Filip has a better +/- than he does? Even after all of this, he somehow deserves Power Play 1 time because that would somehow vault him to the stratosphere in points. Dare I say, as much as I would like to see Laf on PP1 myself, dude has to earn it just like everyone else.

Weird flex to highlight something he's not even excelling superbly at, but still just ignore everything else.
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Right. That's exactly what that graphic says. Thank you for your room temperature IQ take.

A breakout, which what was being talked about, is an exciting prospect considering 'he sucks' and is producing at a Chris Kreider pace at Even-Strength. He hasn't played the most games on that list but I guess numbers are hard.

What happens when 'he doesn't suck' and continues to develop into a top player? For as bad as it's been, his floor is Chris Kreider level already, with sub optimal linemates and ice time.
 
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ReddestRum said:
So what you're saying is that he has the most games played on that list, has the 2nd least amount of points, least amount of P/PG, and even Filip has a better +/- than he does? Even after all of this, he somehow deserves Power Play 1 time because that would somehow vault him to the stratosphere in points. Dare I say, as much as I would like to see Laf on PP1 myself, dude has to earn it just like everyone else.

Weird flex to highlight something he's not even excelling superbly at, but still just ignore everything else.
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Yikes. That’s how you took that?
 
I don’t know how an individual exists liking posts complaining about Lafreniere outscoring Zibanejad in less games while simultaneously creaming your pants over any Kravtsov point ever. You’re a strange one
 
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