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mrmovies779 said:
Kid is struggling with his confidence. playing too safe,not trying to make a mistake.Someone needs to take the training wheels off the kid and just tell him to go make stuff happen.Playing it safe won't work for him
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How do we come to the conclusion that Laf is the only one that can't make mistakes on the team? Everyone makes mistakes. Hell, kakko made a hell of a big one a few games ago (last game?) by holding the puck too long at the blue line and turned it over for a breakaway and goal against. Dude didn't let that get to him and came back to produce. If Laf is in his own head then he's got to find his own game. Can I be sure that Laf is the only one being picked on, on the team? Nope. However, you don't see Kakko out there making mustaches on the bench in a 3-3 game late in the 3rd either. Or anyone else for that matter.
 
hockeyman001 said:
I'm going to answer my own question:

NHL #1 overall draft picks (FORWARDS ONLY) and powerplay goals through first 3 seasons:
2022 - Slafkovsky (1) - 1 season
2020 - Lafreniere (0)
2019 - Hughes (11)
2017 - Hischier (6)
2016 - Matthews (25)
2015 - McDavid (11)
2013 - MacKinnon (18)
2012 - Yakupov (15)
2011 - Nugent-Hopkins (11)
2010 - Hall (25)
2009 - Tavares (27)
2008 - Stamkos (50)
2007 - Kane (29)
2005 - Crosby (35)
2004 - Ovechkin (59)
2002 - Nash (36)
2001 - Kovalchuk (32)
1999 - Stefan (1)
1998 - Lecavalier (15)
1997 - Thornton (12)
1993 - Daigle (9)
1991 - Lindros (28)
1990 - Nolan (32)
1989 - Sundin (25)
1988 - Modano (26)
1987 - Turgeon (44)
1986 - Joe Murphy (1) - only 76 games in first 3 years, and only one real full season
1985 - Wendel Clark (23)
1984 - Mario Lemieux (47)
1983 - Brian Lawton (5)
1981 - Dale Hawerchuk (35)
1980 - Doug Wickenheiser (8)

Which one of these is not the others?

So, to recap, in the history of the NHL entry draft post WHA, Alexis Lafreniere is the only #1OA forward who has not scored a single powerplay goal in his first 3 seasons.

How is his usage setting him up for success exactly? Powerplay scoring is a huge piece of Panarin, Zibanejad, and Trocheck's scoring this season. Shouldn't Laf occasionally get the same opportunity???
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Pp time and scoring isn't just about pointing up points. Pp time is a time for skilled players to get touches without hard pressure and it absolutely contributes to skill players developing confidence in their personal skill set.

We all say laffy is lacking confidence, people need to add 2+2...
 
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ReddestRum said:
How do we come to the conclusion that Laf is the only one that can't make mistakes on the team? Everyone makes mistakes. Hell, kakko made a hell of a big one a few games ago (last game?) by holding the puck too long at the blue line and turned it over for a breakaway and goal against. Dude didn't let that get to him and came back to produce. If Laf is in his own head then he's got to find his own game. Can I be sure that Laf is the only one being picked on, on the team? Nope. However, you don't see Kakko out there making mustaches on the bench in a 3-3 game late in the 3rd either. Or anyone else for that matter.
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It took a while for Kakko to get out of his own head
 
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ReddestRum said:
How do we come to the conclusion that Laf is the only one that can't make mistakes on the team? Everyone makes mistakes. Hell, kakko made a hell of a big one a few games ago (last game?) by holding the puck too long at the blue line and turned it over for a breakaway and goal against. Dude didn't let that get to him and came back to produce. If Laf is in his own head then he's got to find his own game. Can I be sure that Laf is the only one being picked on, on the team? Nope. However, you don't see Kakko out there making mustaches on the bench in a 3-3 game late in the 3rd either. Or anyone else for that matter.
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Who said he's being picked on?do you know how to read?that's not at all what i said
 
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HockeyBasedNYC said:
You don’t need to necessarily see anger but some kind of fire/passion no?
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I like to see passion. Of course. I thought he showed some of that particularly one of the hits and a defensive zone play. I’m always up for more though!
 
ReddestRum said:
True that. I'll give you that. His first two seasons... yeesh.
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I know development isn't a linear, exact science, but he's also technically a year behind Kakko.

Kakko is now at the stage where he can physically keep up, win battles. Laf can't yet. When he can, like Kakko, he'll gain consistency and with that, the confidence.
 
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will1066 said:
I know development isn't a linear, exact science, but he's also technically a year behind Kakko.

Kakko is now at the stage where he can physically keep up, win battles. Laf can't yet. When he can, like Kakko, he'll gain consistency and with that, the confidence.
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Like I've said before in this thread, Laf has got to 100% put in that work in the off-season. It isn't going to magically happen any other time. NHL.com has him listed at 6'2, 193 and that shocks me because he looks like he's around 205-ish. Kakko looks smaller by a large margin and is listed at 199.
 
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hockeyman001 said:
This is what I hate about how this organization develops scoring forwards. This is seen as a plus?

He's given Vesey on the offwing, basically doesn't produce much, but then the attaboys will start for his defense. He's not here to play defense. Reminiscent of when Nash was scoring 25 goals a year at the end and everyone raved about his backchecking.

This is not how you develop elite scoring players. His play has fallen off of late, but I really don't see how this sort of deployment helps his development at all.

Where is the communication. Does he understand he's expected to score? Or does he feel like he was benched because he wasn't physical enough??? What's the message here?

Laf is really more of a playmaker than a goal scorer, his numbers the early part of his career aside. Look at his numbers from juniors.

TBH, not really happy with his intensity or with the coaching staff's use of him of late, but PLEASE let's not start lowering expectations for him. The last thing we need is another mediocre "two way forward."
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He’s here to play a complete game if that’s what the team is asking him to do.
I have tempered, REALISTIC expectations. I don’t expect him to go from about .45 ppg to consistent ppg in a handful f games and stay there. He had a spurt like that this season and I’m sure they will come, and more frequently. If people are expecting some mid season instant explosion you are just setting yourself up for disappointment. Seriously, when was the last time you saw that from any young player? Does that ever realistically happen? No. I want to see improvement, Id always like more, but hes still just a kid. Also, saying I have tempered expectations doesnt mean I don’t still expect him to be a cornerstone of this team, I just don’t expect it to have happened in about 180 regular season games. Feel free to keep your immediate expectations high and then complain when they aren’t met.

ReddestRum said:
Like I've said before in this thread, Laf has got to 100% put in that work in the off-season. It isn't going to magically happen any other time. NHL.com has him listed at 6'2, 193 and that shocks me because he looks like he's around 205-ish. Kakko looks smaller by a large margin and is listed at 199.
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You’re right. We’ve agreed on this consistently. You have to put on muscle mass off season. It can’t be done in the grind. He has to put in that extra work.
 
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ReddestRum said:
Literally made one good pass in the O-zone to Kakko in the first five of the game, dumped the puck a few times, but largely invisible, picked up a -1 for his trouble. What attention to what things?
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I saw more than that. But I wasn’t cataloging as I’m not watching games to collect info and stats, I’m watching because I enjoy hockey. So I don’t have a list prepared for you.
 
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Loki Dog 74 said:
Took Chytil to what? Look like he MIGHT score 50-60 points in the NHL one day? I’m not saying Chytil hasn’t taken steps but he’s not exactly lighting the world on fire. If that’s how long it takes our only 1OA puck to find a 50+ point season, we might as well start selling everything over 25 years old now and sit back and wait.
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Laf will score 50 points this season if he plays 80 games. If that isnt good enough ask for a refund. I know he is not on pace for that now but I expect he will hit a hot streak.
 
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hockeyman001 said:
I'm going to answer my own question:

NHL #1 overall draft picks (FORWARDS ONLY) and powerplay goals through first 3 seasons:
2022 - Slafkovsky (1) - 1 season
2020 - Lafreniere (0)
2019 - Hughes (11)
2017 - Hischier (6)
2016 - Matthews (25)
2015 - McDavid (11)
2013 - MacKinnon (18)
2012 - Yakupov (15)
2011 - Nugent-Hopkins (11)
2010 - Hall (25)
2009 - Tavares (27)
2008 - Stamkos (50)
2007 - Kane (29)
2005 - Crosby (35)
2004 - Ovechkin (59)
2002 - Nash (36)
2001 - Kovalchuk (32)
1999 - Stefan (1)
1998 - Lecavalier (15)
1997 - Thornton (12)
1993 - Daigle (9)
1991 - Lindros (28)
1990 - Nolan (32)
1989 - Sundin (25)
1988 - Modano (26)
1987 - Turgeon (44)
1986 - Joe Murphy (1) - only 76 games in first 3 years, and only one real full season
1985 - Wendel Clark (23)
1984 - Mario Lemieux (47)
1983 - Brian Lawton (5)
1981 - Dale Hawerchuk (35)
1980 - Doug Wickenheiser (8)

Which one of these is not the others?

So, to recap, in the history of the NHL entry draft post WHA, Alexis Lafreniere is the only #1OA forward who has not scored a single powerplay goal in his first 3 seasons.

How is his usage setting him up for success exactly? Powerplay scoring is a huge piece of Panarin, Zibanejad, and Trocheck's scoring this season. Shouldn't Laf occasionally get the same opportunity???
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Are we playing pad the #1 pick's stats or are we playing hockey?
 
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ReddestRum said:
How do we come to the conclusion that Laf is the only one that can't make mistakes on the team? Everyone makes mistakes. Hell, kakko made a hell of a big one a few games ago (last game?) by holding the puck too long at the blue line and turned it over for a breakaway and goal against. Dude didn't let that get to him and came back to produce. If Laf is in his own head then he's got to find his own game. Can I be sure that Laf is the only one being picked on, on the team? Nope. However, you don't see Kakko out there making mustaches on the bench in a 3-3 game late in the 3rd either. Or anyone else for that matter.
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Deleted my post. Unnecessary. Sorry
 
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bhamill said:
He’s here to play a complete game if that’s what the team is asking him to do.
I have tempered, REALISTIC expectations. I don’t expect him to go from about .45 ppg to consistent ppg in a handful f games and stay there. He had a spurt like that this season and I’m sure they will come, and more frequently. If people are expecting some mid season instant explosion you are just setting yourself up for disappointment. Seriously, when was the last time you saw that from any young player? Does that ever realistically happen? No. I want to see improvement, Id always like more, but hes still just a kid. Also, saying I have tempered expectations doesnt mean I don’t still expect him to be a cornerstone of this team, I just don’t expect it to have happened in about 180 regular season games. Feel free to keep your immediate expectations high and then complain when they aren’t met.


You’re right. We’ve agreed on this consistently. You have to put on muscle mass off season. It can’t be done in the grind. He has to put in that extra work.
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Was there some news about him not putting in the work prior to this because i find that really hard to believe, from all accounts I've gotten from his junior days he was a leader in that regard.
 
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bleedblue94 said:
Laffy getting the hat tonight for being a minus 1 with no points and less than 12 mins of ice time today is a GIANT f*** you to the coaching staff. Make absolute no mistake about that...
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Believe it or not, that's a coaching strategy. Desperate, but it is what it is.

Keenan, Billy Martin, Bobby Knight.

Whatever it takes for the team to come together with a common hate.
 
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Believe it or not, that's a coaching strategy. Desperate, but it is what it is.

Keenan, Billy Martin, Bobby Knight.

Whatever it takes for the team to come together with a common hate.
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Rangers in 7 said:
Deleted my post. Unnecessary. Sorry
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I didn't see it. Lol. Speak your mind dude. We're all angry NY fans in here. :)
 
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