Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

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Might be the worst trade in Rangers history, and that's not an exaggeration

Middleton and Zubov are worse trades because they traded away a future HHOFer who got their number retired by a different team.

I don't think Buchnevich is at that level, but it's definitely the 3rd worst trade in team history.
 
Middleton and Zubov are worse trades because they traded away a future HHOFer who got their number retired by a different team.

I don't think Buchnevich is at that level, but it's definitely the 3rd worst trade in team history.

f***ing one of the worst. 76 points last season for Buch for his St Louie trade debut year and a point per game so far this year. What the f*** were we thinking?
 
f***ing one of the worst. 76 points last season for Buch for his St Louie trade debut year and a point per game so far this year. What the f*** were we thinking?
Needed to make room for the kids in the top six.

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Spot on. It's sort of funny that we have our own test case in Filip chytil who has been developed in a fairly similar fashion but somehow has been able to produce at a respectable rate and show flashes of brilliance at the same time, but somehow the only way we can expect the same out of Lafreniere or Kakko is that they must be force-fed top tier usage. Its pure cope in my book.
Lol you can’t be serious man…..you sound like an idiot

Chytil who I love has played 110 more games then laf and has 12 more goals than him.
 
"Laf did nothing with his time"

I swear, how many here actually played the sport on an organized team and league? Sitting for extended periods of time with the constant benching looming over your head if you make the smallest mistake or don't score a hat trick every game... it f***s you up as a player.

Laf hasn't been developed properly AT ALL. And that was the point of my post. f***in Hughes was force-fed the same minutes he's getting since his rookie season. Didn't matter what mistakes he made he was back out there.

There's a huge difference. HUGE. Between how Laf has been handled.
 
"Laf did nothing with his time"

I swear, how many here actually played the sport on an organized team and league? Sitting for extended periods of time with the constant benching looming over your head if you make the smallest mistake or don't score a hat trick every game... it f***s you up as a player.

Laf hasn't been developed properly AT ALL. And that was the point of my post. f***in Hughes was force-fed the same minutes he's getting since his rookie season. Didn't matter what mistakes he made he was back out there.

There's a huge difference. HUGE. Between how Laf has been handled.
I posted in the post game thread last night that Hughes in only 29 more games played has played over 1200 minutes more than laf has played in his career. He’d have to average 41 minutes a game in those 29 games to equal the amount of ice time Hughes has been given. That’s how you develop young players. Not by stapling them to the bench and playing them 13 minutes a night. Hell hughes had a 6 minute shift two games ago. That’s half of what laf gets over a whole game lol
 
How about making a highlight video of some of these great, non-routine, plays that he's been making? I find it very interesting how there are people here, who generally are opposed to stats and analytics, that jump straight to his goal scoring, points, time on ice, even strength point rate in comparison to other young players and such to talk him up. Bit of a disconnect here. It's never "Wow, did you see that great rush he made up the ice where he toe-drag around a defender and then placed a perfect saucer pass on his teammates stick." It's always "Laf has gotten less ice time than Hughes but even so has scored more 5v5 goals."
 
How about making a highlight video of some of these great, non-routine, plays that he's been making? I find it very interesting how there are people here, who generally are opposed to stats and analytics, that jump straight to his goal scoring, points, time on ice, even strength point rate in comparison to other young players and such to talk him up. Bit of a disconnect here. It's never "Wow, did you see that great rush he made up the ice where he toe-drag around a defender and then placed a perfect saucer pass on his teammates stick." It's always "Laf has gotten less ice time than Hughes but even so has scored more 5v5 goals."
that's a really time consuming errand to commit to just to presumably have a bunch of people say "those are lame highlights" bc they're not on NHL.coms top 100 plays of the season.

Seriously, has any rangers player done something like you described this season? (Probably only Fox if anyone.)

In this thread it's always the same thing, you're right about that. I think whether or not some people are arguing that Lafreniere would excel with more ice time is different than arguing that we don't know whether or not he would since he doesn't get it consistently. Along the same line, it's not the same as arguing that we don't know what kind of player he'd be had he been getting the same kind of usage as comparably drafted players since he started since, once again, he didn't.

You don't have to be convinced of his potential or believe that his usage makes or made a difference in the player he's become to this point. Personally, I think the talk about his usage is just beating a dead horse at this point. And I think he's been pretty bad this year outside the first week or two of the season, which I think has also been talked about to excess considering the meager results of our entire team at 5v5 offense.
 
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So...........Let's say a number of the posters on here get what they want. Let's give the kids more icetime and PP time.They each score an additional 15-20 points. Then what ? As it stands if Chytil keeps up his play what do we have to do to resign him alone ? Take a look at Tim Stuzle.......is that what you want for Laffy........Laffy has as many even strength points or more. Sign him for 8.3 million ? Seriously ? Really ? You think Ottawa is a smart franchise? When exactly do you think those losers are going to smell the playoffs ? Seriously could someone answer my question? Let's conservatively add 10 million to resigning the kids if they get all the extra time everyone wants here. How do we resign them ?
 
So...........Let's say a number of the posters on here get what they want. Let's give the kids more icetime and PP time.They each score an additional 15-20 points. Then what ? As it stands if Chytil keeps up his play what do we have to do to resign him alone ? Take a look at Tim Stuzle.......is that what you want for Laffy........Laffy has as many even strength points or more. Sign him for 8.3 million ? Seriously ? Really ? You think Ottawa is a smart franchise? When exactly do you think those losers are going to smell the playoffs ? Seriously could someone answer my question? Let's conservatively add 10 million to resigning the kids if they get all the extra time everyone wants here. How do we resign them ?
I think you make a decent point, yet on the other side if they do not give them the prime opportunities they may never thrive in them.

And then at some point it becomes, who is going to be the cap casualty out of those who do not thrive.
 
How bout the pass that Vesey made to spring the 2 on 1 goal last night. Show me a clip of one of those.
 
I posted in the post game thread last night that Hughes in only 29 more games played has played over 1200 minutes more than laf has played in his career. He’d have to average 41 minutes a game in those 29 games to equal the amount of ice time Hughes has been given. That’s how you develop young players. Not by stapling them to the bench and playing them 13 minutes a night. Hell hughes had a 6 minute shift two games ago. That’s half of what laf gets over a whole game lol
Prior to this season the Devils point percentage was only higher than Detroit and Seattle in the Hughes era. I'm sure the calm, rational Rangers fans would have been very accepting of those results. "Play the youth and we'll live with the growing pains!". The biggest lie ever said.
 
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I think you make a decent point, yet on the other side if they do not give them the prime opportunities they may never thrive in them.

And then at some point it becomes, who is going to be the cap casualty out of those who do not thrive.
I think it's somewhat fake news on here that the kids have not been given opportunities. Their even strength minutes are up there with the star players. They had chances on the top lines and on powerplays. They haven't made the most of them . Laf and and Kakko look horrid on the powerplay. They start off 97 % of the time with possession and almost lose it instantly. Let them earn it , work harder and grow. They will be fine. Chytil has earned more time but most on here care more about Laf and Kakko and would be willing to throw Chytil under the bus.
 
I think it's somewhat fake news on here that the kids have not been given opportunities. Their even strength minutes are up there with the star players. They had chances on the top lines and on powerplays. They haven't made the most of them . Laf and and Kakko look horrid on the powerplay. They start off 97 % of the time with possession and almost lose it instantly. Let them earn it , work harder and grow. They will be fine. Chytil has earned more time but most on here care more about Laf and Kakko and would be willing to throw Chytil under the bus.
I don't know about anyone else, but I've been beating the same drum with Chytil (I did so with Andersson too) since he got here. And, Chytil is a great example of why this whole thread is stupid: his usage hasn't seemed to ruin him; nor has excelling in spite of his usage changed his usage.
 
Not true at all. Hughes played 15:52 his rookie year. 9th on the team among forwards in 5v5 TOI. He was a third liner with PP time. He started getting minutes the next year.

You guys make it sound like it's impossible to produce in lesser roles. Plenty of guys do it. Besides the production isn't even the issue. It's the play on the ice. If Laf got 3 mins more per game he'd suddenly be stealing the puck like Hughes and getting breakaways that lead to penalty shots? Hughes may not have produced early but he generated chances and you could see ability. What does Laf do on the ice that is impressive? He makes the occasional good pass and half the board acts like it was some amazing. He gets an assist a few games back by getting a puck on the boards and passing it back to the point and we're told it's a great play and signs of the future. The only real great play I can even remember him making was the goal against Detroit last year.
So you are saying that amazing Jack Hughes with “3rd line” minutes and PP time scored the same a amount of points that our bust Lafreniere did as a rookie with no PP time and what, 4 mins less a game? Oh yeah. And in 5 less games. Hughes had 21 points in 61 games. Laf had 21 in 56. Laf was a -7, Hughes a -26. At even strength Laf outscored Hughes 21 to 12 as rookies.
So Hughes produced in a lesser role but Laf didn’t in an even LESSER one? Doesn’t? Since he still hasn’t gotten the opportunity Hughes has.
I believe Laf will be a better player than Hughes. More well rounded with similar scoring when all is said and done. But of course neither of us has a crystal ball, so…
 
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It's great for Buch that he's putting up the numbers he is; but like Zucc, Miller and probably more, he wasn't going to be doing that here.
Also not really sure what it has to do with Laf...

And for the unofficial records, the McD/Miller trade was worse than Buch one.
Buch’s highest 5v5 p/60 of his career was his final Rangers season by a decent margin. He already was the beast two way player he is now and was producing at a very high level. Difference was just PP1 time that he got in St. Louis. there was no further growth needed.

He was our best play driver that COVID season and the teams 5v5 offense has been anemic for 2 years without him. We are currently playing Barclay Goodrow as our 1RW who is worse than me
 
Prior to this season the Devils point percentage was only higher than Detroit and Seattle in the Hughes era. I'm sure the calm, rational Rangers fans would have been very accepting of those results. "Play the youth and we'll live with the growing pains!". The biggest lie ever said.
This is such a cop out and you know it. You could EASILY achieve both. I’m not saying staple the vets to the bench but let them start a PP every once in awhile. The other night we were up four goals and gallant threw the first pp out for over a minute and 40. You know if the kids got that I’ve time it adds up.
 
This is such a cop out and you know it. You could EASILY achieve both. I’m not saying staple the vets to the bench but let them start a PP every once in awhile. The other night we were up four goals and gallant threw the first pp out for over a minute and 40. You know if the kids got that I’ve time it adds up.
Games aren't over with big leads. See the Edmonton game. And people on here are ridiculous with the PP ice time. The coach doesn't dictate when the change happens, the action on the ice does. Like last game when we were in the zone against a warn out PK, they clear it to the red line and we do a quick up to keep their PKers out there. Then our second PP we score. So all the donks scream that our PP1 ate up all the ice time. Agenda? hmm. When there is a faceoff in the middle of the PP then you can complain and Gallant keeps PP1 out then you can complain. I said you can. But you shouldn't. Because PP1 is the envy of the league and PP2 is an abomination.
 
Might be the worst trade in Rangers history, and that's not an exaggeration
Trading Zubov was worse. Dumbshit Neil still defends and rationalizes that disaster trade.

Amonte trade was garbage.

Doug Weight trade was garbage.

I don't GAF that the role players acquired did some things one playoffs, those trades crippled the franchise and it still hasn't recovered or changed its dumbass love affair for scrubs while ruining or trading good young players.

The organization still thinks that because it worked in 94... it didn't, that team still had hall of fame payers on it that barely got the job done, and they had to beg the coach (who wanted to forfeit the season, to stop being an idiot so they could win)... on the flip side imagine not making those awful trades and keeping guys who went on to be hall of farmers and borderline hall of farmers for the next decade? Instead of the Devils 3 in 9 maybe the Rangers win more than one.

It's like a Twilight Zone episode. Rangers never f***ing learn from past mistakes.

Prioritizing Goodrow, Vesey, Blais, and every other motherf***er instead of their 1 and 2 overall picks is the epitome of dumbshit Rongos. But hey at least they squeaked out some wins against injury riddled teams and a Devils team trending back to earth.

It's middle December and they're barely hanging on to a wild card spot... denying the 1 and 2 overall PP1 time and more ice overall is really working out for them.
 
How about making a highlight video of some of these great, non-routine, plays that he's been making? I find it very interesting how there are people here, who generally are opposed to stats and analytics, that jump straight to his goal scoring, points, time on ice, even strength point rate in comparison to other young players and such to talk him up. Bit of a disconnect here. It's never "Wow, did you see that great rush he made up the ice where he toe-drag around a defender and then placed a perfect saucer pass on his teammates stick." It's always "Laf has gotten less ice time than Hughes but even so has scored more 5v5 goals."
Because highlights don't equal actually playing hockey. This is the worst generation of hockey i swear. I've mentioned this before it's more soccer and lacrosse than hockey. Bunch of showboat actors.

Doing "the Michigan" isn't f***ing hockey.

Lafreniere isn't a flashy player. He's a throwback north-south player that picks up goals around the net and throws checks on the boards. He has hands and vision and all that. But none of that matters when you're castrated, benched, and punished every time his inexperience is visible.
 
Buch’s highest 5v5 p/60 of his career was his final Rangers season by a decent margin. He already was the beast two way player he is now and was producing at a very high level. Difference was just PP1 time that he got in St. Louis. there was no further growth needed.

He was our best play driver that COVID season and the teams 5v5 offense has been anemic for 2 years without him. We are currently playing Barclay Goodrow as our 1RW who is worse than me
If you could put up 30 pt season in the NHL and get paid multi-million $$ you wouldn't be posting here. Hyberbole/BS doesn't help make a point.

I'm not saying Buch wasn't a good player here and isn't a good player now. I'm just not convinced that he becomes a PPG player here.
 
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