Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière

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Lafreniere's point totals are concerning, just as Kakko's were in his rookie year. The reality is that nobody on this team can put the puck in the damn net consistently outside of Artemi Panarin, who's more of a playmaker anyway. Kakko and Lafreniere have had great moments this season that have resulted in nothing other than great chances with no finish. Call it snake bitten, or call it shooting the puck right into the goalie's chest. Whatever it is, DQ's system clearly isn't producing offense, and once he's gone, I bet the points start to come for both them.
 
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Lafreniere's point totals are concerning, just as Kakko's were in his rookie year. The reality is that nobody on this team can put the puck in the damn net consistently outside of Artemi Panarin, who's more of a playmaker anyway. Kakko and Lafreniere have had great moments this season that have resulted in nothing other than great chances with no finish. Call it snake bitten, or call it shooting the puck right into the goalie's chest. Whatever it is, DQ's system clearly doesn't produce offense, and once he's gone, I'd bet the points start to come for both them.
I’m not worried. When these 2 are 22-23 years old they are going to be a nightmare
 
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Lafreniere's point totals are concerning, just as Kakko's were in his rookie year. The reality is that nobody on this team can put the puck in the damn net consistently outside of Artemi Panarin, who's more of a playmaker anyway. Kakko and Lafreniere have had great moments this season that have resulted in nothing other than great chances with no finish. Call it snake bitten, or call it shooting the puck right into the goalie's chest. Whatever it is, DQ's system clearly doesn't produce offense, and once he's gone, I'd bet the points start to come for both them.

I'm not the biggest DQ fan, but the offense was clearly there last season.
 
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I'm not the biggest DQ fan, but the offense was clearly there last season.

Zibanejad shooting close to 20%, DeAngelo and Strome having career years, and Panarin setting career records for goals and assists (in just 69 games) is a big reason for that.

Out of the 4, one isn't playing for us anymore, two others are not producing and the 4th, Panarin, is honestly not that great despite his production this season.

And none of the other players have chipped in to pick up the pieces of the production we are missing.
 
Absolutely agree with the above. And they played in DQ’s system too when they had career years.

We don’t suck that bad folks. Quinn has several huge success stories. We are the youngest team in the league, playing in the most dynamic times in recent history, and we have looked good.

I am so sick of whiners and “fans” trashing my team and coach everyday. Criticism is healthy. “DQ sucks” is not criticism. We look EXACTLY how I thought we would. Sure... I would love a few more W’s. But we aren’t a contending team this year. We are building and growing.
 
Zibanejad shooting close to 20%, DeAngelo and Strome having career years, and Panarin setting career records for goals and assists (in just 69 games) is a big reason for that.

I don't want to defend Quinn. I don't think he is a winning NHL coach right now.

But saying that ADA, Strome, and Panarin having career years is a knock against the coach feels disingenuous. I doubt they had career years despite what they were getting told by him.
 
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The team has scored 2 goals in 3 games.

I was one who said this is still a mulligan year for Quinn unless something extreme happens, but something extreme is happening. The team can’t friggin score at all. It has labored to put the puck in the net all season.

A lot of that is on him, period. It’s surely affecting Lafreniere.
 
The team has scored 2 goals in 3 games.

I was one who said this is still a mulligan year for Quinn unless something extreme happens, but something extreme is happening. The team can’t friggin score at all. It has labored to put the puck in the net all season.

A lot of that is on him, period. It’s surely affecting Lafreniere.
Actually is 0 goals in 3 games if two 4th liners didn't score. I mean with the amount of talent in the top 6 and you can't score in 180 minutes plus of hockey??? With many powerplay chances to boot.
 
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Zibanejad shooting close to 20%, DeAngelo and Strome having career years, and Panarin setting career records for goals and assists (in just 69 games) is a big reason for that.

Out of the 4, one isn't playing for us anymore, two others are not producing and the 4th, Panarin, is honestly not that great despite his production this season.

And none of the other players have chipped in to pick up the pieces of the production we are missing.

So players having career years has nothing to do with the coach, but when players are slumping it is because of the coach. Got it.
 
I don't want to defend Quinn. I don't think he is a winning NHL coach right now.

But saying that ADA, Strome, and Panarin having career years is a knock against the coach feels disingenuous. I doubt they had career years despite what they were getting told by him.

My post wasn't to criticize Quinn. Just to point out that those players have not replicated their career years and that affects this team's overall performance
 
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So players having career years has nothing to do with the coach, but when players are slumping it is because of the coach. Got it.
The coach is, in part, responsible for both their successes and failures. He did a great job before the pandemic last year in the last few months.

This year, he's struggled to get his top players to produce offense. I fully gave him credit for all of the offensive creativity on the ice last year. So, likewise, this year I also place the blame on his shoulders.

I do think he'll turn things around.
 
I’m not worried. When these 2 are 22-23 years old they are going to be a nightmare

I don't doubt they'll be great someday. It's just a little concerning to me that the #2 and #1 picks in back to back drafts have struggled so much in their rookie year(s). Most star players will get you 35+ points in their first year. Hopefully both Laff and Kakko end up like Jack Hughes.
 
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Because ive been thru the hype before...the hes only a rookie....reality. dave gagner 1983..he plays like bobby clarke...um mo he didnt with nyr. Pavel brendl...if you gave 1 goal only...the end
 
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How has Lafreniere's skating looked? I sadly haven't been able to watch many games this year so I haven't really been able to judge his skating.

As long as he's not already physically mature and has skating which won't improve much then I'm still confident he'll be a franchise level winger. He's still got elite skill and hockey IQ and once he figures things out he'll start putting up points.
 
Ran some numbers on Alexis. He's going to have to hit 2x the shot volume to be in line with a top 6 scorer in the NHL compared to his first 13 games. Easiest way would be to replicate the way the offense worked in juniors, but really it's a matter of getting that controlled carry with speed, or that coordinated retrieval.

I have zero issues with the defensive game. Good positioning, and everything. But the way he went up against Dobson, that's how he's gotta play against every player. That's what made him successful. Two months of the whole new job, rookie ingratiation and all that is great, but it's time to be what you are born to be. It is mental my man, forget seniority dude, you don't have to appease some middle manager. Just set your targets, and fire from in-between the hashses.

The top scorers can convert on 16-22% of their slot shots. 5-15 feet out, and if you shoot where the goalie has to move to cover the open space it's an easier goal, but if the guy has the angle, force the rebound. The way teams defend the Rangers now, is that they are perfectly happy with the outside pass, and losing puck possession. That's what they want, so their formation is all about blocking the box.

Break the box, get the shots. The mid-danger shot off the left wing circle is not going to convert against these bigger guys, unless you are on the power play with a screen, and motion helps. Shooting off the rush, cycle, or with just the feet moving.

2x the volume. That's just individually. Line-mates need to get it on as well. The opponent wants the guys and passing to be on the perimeter- it preserves energy, these guys are happy to do it & go the other way.
 
Because ive been thru the hype before...the hes only a rookie....reality. dave gagner 1983..he plays like bobby clarke...um mo he didnt with nyr. Pavel brendl...if you gave 1 goal only...the end

Dave Ganger was never going to be Bobby Clarke but he went on to a very solid career after he left NY. Was around a 35 goal 75 point guy with good defense for a while.
 
Dave Ganger was never going to be Bobby Clarke but he went on to a very solid career after he left NY. Was around a 35 goal 75 point guy with good defense for a while.
He is one of those rare players gagner..who looked lost for a few years and sonething happened that he exploded. Even when traded to minnesota his first 20 games nothing..but boom it hit. Nyr and central scouting had comparisons of Gagner to bobby clarke..i read it in hockey news. My point about the 2 mumber one overalls essentially is im suck and tired of the super hype...like we are looking at superstsrs...then it doesnt happen. I do believe Quinn will be gone soon if they dont start winning. It usually hsppens when teams are having huge problem...although i dont know that he is the problem. You look at Ottawa last night 6 goals...where nyr cant get one.
 
He is one of those rare players gagner..who looked lost for a few years and sonething happened that he exploded. Even when traded to minnesota his first 20 games nothing..but boom it hit. Nyr and central scouting had comparisons of Gagner to bobby clarke..i read it in hockey news. My point about the 2 mumber one overalls essentially is im suck and tired of the super hype...like we are looking at superstsrs...then it doesnt happen. I do believe Quinn will be gone soon if they dont start winning. It usually hsppens when teams are having huge problem...although i dont know that he is the problem. You look at Ottawa last night 6 goals...where nyr cant get one.

Defense doesnt exist in the Canadian division. Both Toronto and Winnipeg had 3+ goal leads evaporate with games ending 6-5.
 
Defense doesnt exist in the Canadian division. Both Toronto and Winnipeg had 3+ goal leads evaporate with games ending 6-5.
doesn't seem to exist in the Central either. Florida and Tampa played to a 6-4 final yesterday (McBackup played instead of Vasi) and the Canes beat Columbus 7-4. Both Korpisalo and Merzlikins turned into pumpkins this season.
 
I have zero issues with the defensive game. Good positioning, and everything. But the way he went up against Dobson, that's how he's gotta play against every player. That's what made him successful. Two months of the whole new job, rookie ingratiation and all that is great, but it's time to be what you are born to be. It is mental my man, forget seniority dude, you don't have to appease some middle manager. Just set your targets, and fire from in-between the hashses.

I’m glad I’m not the only one that noticed this. What I saw was what I assume to be the same as a feeling I have had personally many times.

When you go into a new lockerroom, or start in a new league, you always doubt yourself to some degree and approach the game a bit tentatively. Then, one day you see a guy on the other team that you’ve played against before and know that you are better than and it lights a fire under you. Laf had the confidence of knowing that he can take Dobson having done so before in the Q and he played like it.

Hopefully it’s just a matter of him realizing that that’s true for 80% of the dmen he is on the ice with at any given time.
 
0 shots on goal in 18 minutes tonight. Not sure what’s going on there, but he’s gotta shot more.
 
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