Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part III

[bhamill]

Right. But we were expecting Huberdeau not McDavid/Matthews

well, Huberdeau was drafted in 2011, didn’t make the NHL until 2012-13. Had 59 points in his first 117 NHL games, starting D+2 year… he’s was also a -20 in that stretch if you care. Basically if Laf gets about 59 points combined this year and next he’s on a very similar track to Huberdeau, under quite different circumstances.

 

[HockeyJunkie87]

Hey guys. Habs fan here..
After reading some comments here on Lafreniere, the community seems divided on whether Lafreniere will hit his potential with the Rangers in the coming years. Some of you are already labeling him a bust, etc.

The Rangers are in a good position right now, meanwhile, the Montreal Canadiens are playing like dog shit.
With Lafreniere being from Quebec, and many Hab fans wanting this guy since he came onto the scene, there has been alot of hypothetical trades from Habs fans on what they would offer the Rangers for Lafreniere to make it work from both sides.

To you guys, this may sound absolutely ridiculous, but i've seen offers such as..
Caufield, Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..
Chiarot , Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..

etc etc..

So i'm curious, if any of you would pull the trigger on an offer like this for your Lafreniere.. OR, better again, if you guys can muster up some of your own trade ideas which sends Laf to Montreal.

Would you be more interested in Montreal's 2023 first overall pick (due to the higher talent pool).

Any input at all, would be great fun for both sides. I create YouTube content, and I am planning a video on this "hypothetical trade", and I would really enjoy having trade proposals from both sides of the equation.

Thanks,
HockeyJunkie

 

[bhamill]

Hey guys. Habs fan here..
After reading some comments here on Lafreniere, the community seems divided on whether Lafreniere will hit his potential with the Rangers in the coming years. Some of you are already labeling him a bust, etc.

The Rangers are in a good position right now, meanwhile, the Montreal Canadiens are playing like dog shit.
With Lafreniere being from Quebec, and many Hab fans wanting this guy since he came onto the scene, there has been alot of hypothetical trades from Habs fans on what they would offer the Rangers for Lafreniere to make it work from both sides.

To you guys, this may sound absolutely ridiculous, but i've seen offers such as..
Caufield, Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..
Chiarot , Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..

etc etc..

So i'm curious, if any of you would pull the trigger on an offer like this for your Lafreniere.. OR, better again, if you guys can muster up some of your own trade ideas which sends Laf to Montreal.

Would you be more interested in Montreal's 2023 first overall pick (due to the higher talent pool).

Any input at all, would be great fun for both sides. I create YouTube content, and I am planning a video on this "hypothetical trade", and I would really enjoy having trade proposals from both sides of the equation.

Thanks,
HockeyJunkie

Hey Buddy.
If the pick is unprotected, it's likely to be top 3, in this scenario NYR get a legit shot at a first line center and get Caulfield or Chiarot. I think a lot of people on this board would do that. I'm not sure if I would. But it at least does not sound crazy to me.

 

[Synergy27]

Hey guys. Habs fan here..
After reading some comments here on Lafreniere, the community seems divided on whether Lafreniere will hit his potential with the Rangers in the coming years. Some of you are already labeling him a bust, etc.

The Rangers are in a good position right now, meanwhile, the Montreal Canadiens are playing like dog shit.
With Lafreniere being from Quebec, and many Hab fans wanting this guy since he came onto the scene, there has been alot of hypothetical trades from Habs fans on what they would offer the Rangers for Lafreniere to make it work from both sides.

To you guys, this may sound absolutely ridiculous, but i've seen offers such as..
Caufield, Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..
Chiarot , Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..

etc etc..

So i'm curious, if any of you would pull the trigger on an offer like this for your Lafreniere.. OR, better again, if you guys can muster up some of your own trade ideas which sends Laf to Montreal.

Would you be more interested in Montreal's 2023 first overall pick (due to the higher talent pool).

Any input at all, would be great fun for both sides. I create YouTube content, and I am planning a video on this "hypothetical trade", and I would really enjoy having trade proposals from both sides of the equation.

Thanks,
HockeyJunkie

Probably won’t get much engagement in this thread but I’d do this for sure. I think Caufield fills a role that this team sorely lacks (shoot first, speed) and upgrading to the Habs first in this draft would allow the Rangers to trade their own first for immediate help with this playoff run while also finally nabbing a high end C prospect.

I’m also going to guess that other Habs fans want nothing to do with this.

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

would the habs be interested in laffy for taffoli?

 

[Ori]

Hey guys. Habs fan here..
After reading some comments here on Lafreniere, the community seems divided on whether Lafreniere will hit his potential with the Rangers in the coming years. Some of you are already labeling him a bust, etc.

The Rangers are in a good position right now, meanwhile, the Montreal Canadiens are playing like dog shit.
With Lafreniere being from Quebec, and many Hab fans wanting this guy since he came onto the scene, there has been alot of hypothetical trades from Habs fans on what they would offer the Rangers for Lafreniere to make it work from both sides.

To you guys, this may sound absolutely ridiculous, but i've seen offers such as..
Caufield, Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..
Chiarot , Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..

etc etc..

So i'm curious, if any of you would pull the trigger on an offer like this for your Lafreniere.. OR, better again, if you guys can muster up some of your own trade ideas which sends Laf to Montreal.

Would you be more interested in Montreal's 2023 first overall pick (due to the higher talent pool).

Any input at all, would be great fun for both sides. I create YouTube content, and I am planning a video on this "hypothetical trade", and I would really enjoy having trade proposals from both sides of the equation.

Thanks,
HockeyJunkie

It is a team game, and some fans only look at stats & numbers. However Laf last evening was actually decent, but Ryan Strome miss anything with horrific finishing I actually wished he stayed at Oilers.

 

[HockeyJunkie87]

Hey Buddy.
If the pick is unprotected, it's likely to be top 3, in this scenario NYR get a legit shot at a first line center and get Caulfield or Chiarot. I think a lot of people on this board would do that. I'm not sure if I would. But it at least does not sound crazy to me.

Thanks for the replies everybody.
I wasn't sure how everybody would react, but you guys all seem really friendly around here

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hey guys. Habs fan here..
After reading some comments here on Lafreniere, the community seems divided on whether Lafreniere will hit his potential with the Rangers in the coming years. Some of you are already labeling him a bust, etc.

The Rangers are in a good position right now, meanwhile, the Montreal Canadiens are playing like dog shit.
With Lafreniere being from Quebec, and many Hab fans wanting this guy since he came onto the scene, there has been alot of hypothetical trades from Habs fans on what they would offer the Rangers for Lafreniere to make it work from both sides.

To you guys, this may sound absolutely ridiculous, but i've seen offers such as..
Caufield, Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..
Chiarot , Montreal's 2022 first round pick straight up for Lafreniere..

etc etc..

So i'm curious, if any of you would pull the trigger on an offer like this for your Lafreniere.. OR, better again, if you guys can muster up some of your own trade ideas which sends Laf to Montreal.

Would you be more interested in Montreal's 2023 first overall pick (due to the higher talent pool).

Any input at all, would be great fun for both sides. I create YouTube content, and I am planning a video on this "hypothetical trade", and I would really enjoy having trade proposals from both sides of the equation.

Thanks,
HockeyJunkie

Some fans would take your deals but the organization would not. I can't see them moving him any time soon. If you want a french guy we have Gauthier for ya.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

The Habs/Lafreniere scuttlebutt is the kind of very HFBoards-y content that I would pay attention to. Makes sense for them to take a big chance on him since they're going nowhere, makes sense for us to listen, and they have our old GM.

Then again I've thought Alex Georgiev would get traded to Edmonton for like 4 years

 

[Kords]

Thanks for the replies everybody.
I wasn't sure how everybody would react, but you guys all seem really friendly around here

If you wanna see into the darkest depths of mankind's soul, peak your head into one of our GDT's.

As for the trade, I just don't see Drury risking selling low on the kid to his former boss. Would have to be a massive overpay or the actual 1OA if they win the lotto and even then, who knows. His personality is intangible.

He'll likely sign to the Habs as a UFA at the end of his career, after winning us a few cups =)

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

I don't understand is the problem that he was ranked too high at the draft or his game for some reason did not translate to NHL or the coaches are not using him correctly?

 

[KevinFinnerty]

His motor is not NHL level, his legs are weak and he has no sense of urgency with the puck. He should be on the PP

 

[Rangers in 7]

seeing some peoples opinion on laf is terrible, especially the comment right above ^^^

we all saw him as Huberdeau not Crosby, were we expecting more? absolutely. but the truth is the rangers misused him last year and truthfully if he is given top 6 consistent minutes the guy will produce....we are not making that trade with the habs, everyone needs to take a step back

he has played well the last couple of weeks and just last game probably should have had 3 points if it wasn't for the lack of finish by other players around him, the guy will turn out well

 

[DanielBrassard]

seeing some peoples opinion on laf is terrible, especially the comment right above ^^^

we all saw him as Huberdeau not Crosby, were we expecting more? absolutely. but the truth is the rangers misused him last year and truthfully if he is given top 6 consistent minutes the guy will produce....we are not making that trade with the habs, everyone needs to take a step back

he has played well the last couple of weeks and just last game probably should have had 3 points if it wasn't for the lack of finish by other players around him, the guy will turn out well

This is the definition of gaslighting. He made one nice play all game, the rush where he set up Strome and Strome couldn't finish. The rest of the game he was as invisible and ineffective as he usually is. People know what they are watching, and the stats bare it out as well. He doesn't create enough offense for himself or his teammates.

 

[The Sweetness]

well, Huberdeau was drafted in 2011, didn’t make the NHL until 2012-13. Had 59 points in his first 117 NHL games, starting D+2 year… he’s was also a -20 in that stretch if you care. Basically if Laf gets about 59 points combined this year and next he’s on a very similar track to Huberdeau, under quite different circumstances.

I don't get what you are saying at all.

Huberdeau
He started in the NHL in his D+1 year. And had 31 pts in 48 games in that year.

Lafreniere
Lafreniere has 32 career pts in 93 games. If you want to just look at his D+1 year he has 11 pts in 37 games.

If you want to compare stats starting from D+1 season for both players Lafreniere needs to hit 48 pts in his next 80 games to match the 59 pts in 117 NHL games comparing production over the same seasons.

Despite having an unsustainable shooting percentage that doesn't seem realistic.

 

[The Sweetness]

I don't understand is the problem that he was ranked too high at the draft or his game for some reason did not translate to NHL or the coaches are not using him correctly?

I don't think he was ranked too high. The kid looked awesome in juniors.

If you are asking me he just peaked young. I think he matured early physically (I've been saying this for over a year now) and I just don't think he will improve that much.

Hopefully I'm wrong though. He seems like a good kid regardless.

 

[Larrybiv]

Thanks for the replies everybody.
I wasn't sure how everybody would react, but you guys all seem really friendly around here

We're only friendly with outsiders. Many here despise one another, especially if you're a Rangers fan pretending to be a Rangers FAN, and everyone hates ME!

 

[bhamill]

I don't get what you are saying at all.

Huberdeau
He started in the NHL in his D+1 year. And had 31 pts in 48 games in that year.

Lafreniere
Lafreniere has 32 career pts in 93 games. If you want to just look at his D+1 year he has 11 pts in 37 games.

If you want to compare stats starting from D+1 season for both players Lafreniere needs to hit 48 pts in his next 80 games to match the 59 pts in 117 NHL games comparing production over the same seasons.

Despite having an unsustainable shooting percentage that doesn't seem realistic.

Incorrect. You might want to double check that. Huberdeau was drafted in 2011. He did not make the NHL in 2011-12 his D+1 draft year despite being 3OA. He made the NHL in his D+2 season, actually about halfway through it. Where Laf is just getting now. As I said if Laf scores 59 points between this year and next he’s on a similar path scoring wise though Laf got to the NHL far earlier. I don’t know who Huberdeau had as linemates to start out but I doubt he was saddled with a Chytil/Gauth type duo. Hahaha.
Also Hub dropped in points his D+3 season despite playing more games (29 in 69 games) I wonder if FL fans were screaming “bust!” Haha.

 

[B33R LEAGUE]

Winnipeg here.

Would Mark Scheifele do it? He's better than Trouba

 

[The Crypto Guy]

would the habs be interested in laffy for taffoli?

 

[The Sweetness]

Incorrect. You might want to double check that. Huberdeau was drafted in 2011. He did not make the NHL in 2011-12 his D+1 draft year despite being 3OA. He made the NHL in his D+2 season, actually about halfway through it. Where Laf is just getting now. As I said if Laf scores 59 points between this year and next he’s on a similar path scoring wise though Laf got to the NHL far earlier. I don’t know who Huberdeau had as linemates to start out but I doubt he was saddled with a Chytil/Gauth type duo. Hahaha.
Also Hub dropped in points his D+3 season despite playing more games (29 in 69 games) I wonder if FL fans were screaming “bust!” Haha.

Looks like I thought D+1 year was a full-year after the draft which was incorrect. Thanks to you and another poster for pointing that out.

Anyhow, here is a comparison of their numbers based on Lafreniere's D+2 year so far.

Lafreniere
11 pts in 37 games - so far

Huberdeau
31 pts in 48 games

Lafreniere needs 20 pts in 11 games to equal that production.

You keep bringing up Lafreniere can score 59 more pts and be on the same pace - but he isn't anywhere near that pace so I'm not sure why you think that's likely production.

You might argue that Huberdeau started around halfway into the season so that the numbers aren't comparable. However, Lafreniere is also an older birthday.

Of course Lafreniere doesn't get much PP time or ice time but let's be honest and also admit he hasn't deserved more time even - I'm sure even the coaches planned on him taking a big step forward this year. He also has an unsustainable shooting percentage.

Huberdeau of course regressed the year after that before than taking a step forward. Could Laf take a big step forward next year? Sure. But he could also stagnate. His production in his D+2 year is worse than his D+1 year and his production last year was poor. His career production honestly looks atrocious compared to other high picks over the length of his career so far.

We can of course hope that Lafreniere equals Huberdeau as a player, both in the short-term and long-term. However, he hasn't yet showed that he's projecting at a similar level so far in his NHL career.

Edit - fixed the D+1 mixed up and then updated numbers.

 

[KareemTrustfund]

D+1 year for a 2011 draftee is the 2012-13 season. It’s a full year after he was drafted.

At least I think so…

I at least did the correct math to show how unlikely it is that Laf equals Huberdeau’s production when comparing their production over the period we are referring to.

My projection and comparison was exactly what you were saying in your post but I just illustrated it through data.

The draft year of a player is the year leading up to the draft , so naturally the draft +1 year is the year after the draft. So Huberdeau started in his D+2 year

 

[The Sweetness]

The draft year of a player is the year leading up to the draft , so naturally the draft +1 year is the year after the draft. So Huberdeau started in his D+2 year

Ah, ok, thanks. I'll update the post.

 

[RagFinMet]

Laf for suzuki
Thanks
Gotta include nemeth and tinordi as well