That is because Fox and Lindgren have been deployed as a part of unit of 5 with Panarin and Strome. As it should be.
Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II
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Peltz
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Laf had a few flashes of elite talent last night. I thought it was his best game as a Ranger.
FireGerardGallant
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All 12 of his points this season were at even strength which is pretty goddamn impressive tbh. Already has as many even strength points in his rookie season as the guy selected first overall last year. Makes you wonder where he'd be with steady PP usage.
GunkWinger
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Not sure what everyone is seeing thats different than me but I dont think he deserves more ice time yet. Too many turn overs and fumbling of puck. At one point last night I swear he gave the puck away like 4 times in a row. Im rooting for this kid but I think Quinn is right in limiting his ice time right now.
Edge
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Ballparking it with a solid but not elite amount of powerplay production, somewhere around 40-50 points over a full 82 game schedule.
Not sure why anyone would want Laine, at the moment. Great trade for Winnipeg unless Laine goes back to where he was a couple seasons ago.
EdJovanovski
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I went and calculated how many % of each 1OA production was EV, and used the average of that to add to Laf's to estimate how he'd compare
Thornton: 86%
Lecavalier: 75%
Kovalchuk: 71%
Nash: 59%
Ovechkin: 48%
Crosby: 52%
Kane: 61%
Stamkos: 63%
Tavares: 54%
Hall: 74%
Nugent-Hopkins: 56%
MacKinnon: 73%
McDavid: 71%
Matthews: 70%
Hischier: 88%
Hughes: 57%
Lafreniere: 100%
The average is 66% even strength production, adding 34% to Laf's production would make him end up with:
35 points in 82 games
And that's an optimistic estimate because of how far back I went, because as of late 1OA have had higher % of even strength production than in years past
FireGerardGallant
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Id take a 35 point rookie year. Its not spectacular and is still fairly low for 1st oa standards but is definitely something that could easily be built upon in his second season
ElLeetch
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They may have an outline, but no plan.
First step is getting past the expansion draft. Then see who we still have after.
Even if he does, I will still maintain that at team full of Laines does not sniff the playoffs.
Edge
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Looking at this team and system, I took Kakko's powerplay production last year (2 goals and 13 points in 66 games, or let's say roughly 3 goals and 16 points in 82 games).
If we went straight off that, that would give Lafreniere roughly 16 goals and 42 points. I think Lafreniere is a significantly better player than Kakko was last year. So I'm gonna hypothesize we'd be looking at 5 goals and maybe 20 points on the powerplay over 82 games. So that would have have Lafreniere around 18 goals and 46 points if he was even just modestly more productive on the special teams.
So that's where I'm ballparking 15-20 goals and 40-50 points if we just factor in powerplay time (and not different usage at ES or other factors) in what is more or less the same environment and the same system.
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Edge
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If we look at first overall picks who were wings, Nash, Kane and Hall immediately come to mind.
82 games rates:
Kane had 7 goals and 28 points on the powerplay as a rookie.
Nash paced at 7 goals and 18 over an 82 game schedule.
Hall paced at 10 goals and 14 points over an 82 game schedule.
So that would put Lafreniere's goal totals in the 20-23 range, and the 40-54 point range if he matched any of those three.
If we average those three out and assume Lafreniere would be about on par, that's 21 goals and 46 points. If he matches Kakko last year, that's 16/46.
So we're still in that 15-20 goal, 40-50 point range as a ballpark.
82 games rates:
Kane had 7 goals and 28 points on the powerplay as a rookie.
Nash paced at 7 goals and 18 over an 82 game schedule.
Hall paced at 10 goals and 14 points over an 82 game schedule.
So that would put Lafreniere's goal totals in the 20-23 range, and the 40-54 point range if he matched any of those three.
If we average those three out and assume Lafreniere would be about on par, that's 21 goals and 46 points. If he matches Kakko last year, that's 16/46.
So we're still in that 15-20 goal, 40-50 point range as a ballpark.
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If Laf d+2 season = the rate Kakko improved YoY
we're looking at 30+ goals and 70 points.. dependent on PP usage
we're looking at 30+ goals and 70 points.. dependent on PP usage
FireGerardGallant
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Man if only that second goal counted
Stupid high stick
Stupid high stick
Anthony5967
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The problem with social media and everything nowadays is every kid that hyped to go first is expected to be a star in any league he’s drafted into. It’s a bit much. It’s like when Kravtsov debuted against Buffalo and I saw people calling for hat tricks. Like others said, he doesn’t even get PP time like Stutzle does. Laf has to do it all in 13 plus mins at even strength. 12 points in his last 24-25 games I believe.
Take away power play production and this is his company (filtered for players with >=35GP)
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Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of considering he averages 13 minute of ice time per game.
| Player | Season | Team | S/C | Pos | GP | G | A | P | +/- | PIM | P/GP | EVG | EVP |
| Tyler Johnson | 20202021 | TBL | R | C | 40 | 7 | 11 | 18 | 3 | 10 | 0.45 | 5 | 15 |
| Sam Reinhart | 20202021 | BUF | R | R | 38 | 13 | 12 | 25 | -26 | 6 | 0.66 | 7 | 15 |
| Jeff Carter | 20202021 | LAK | R | C | 40 | 8 | 11 | 19 | -6 | 22 | 0.48 | 7 | 15 |
| Chris Kreider | 20202021 | NYR | L | L | 40 | 17 | 9 | 26 | -3 | 21 | 0.65 | 8 | 15 |
| Nils Hoglander | 20202021 | VAN | L | L | 37 | 7 | 9 | 16 | -4 | 10 | 0.43 | 6 | 15 |
| Miles Wood | 20202021 | NJD | L | L | 39 | 13 | 5 | 18 | -2 | 27 | 0.46 | 10 | 15 |
| Max Domi | 20202021 | CBJ | L | C | 43 | 7 | 11 | 18 | -14 | 39 | 0.42 | 5 | 15 |
| Andrei Svechnikov | 20202021 | CAR | L | R | 40 | 10 | 18 | 28 | 2 | 30 | 0.7 | 7 | 15 |
| Dustin Brown | 20202021 | LAK | R | R | 38 | 16 | 9 | 25 | -2 | 16 | 0.66 | 7 | 14 |
| Dillon Dube | 20202021 | CGY | L | C | 36 | 7 | 9 | 16 | -2 | 12 | 0.44 | 5 | 14 |
| Milan Lucic | 20202021 | CGY | L | L | 41 | 7 | 9 | 16 | -10 | 35 | 0.39 | 5 | 14 |
| Nick Bjugstad | 20202021 | MIN | R | C | 37 | 6 | 9 | 15 | 7 | 17 | 0.41 | 6 | 14 |
| Jamie Benn | 20202021 | DAL | L | L | 35 | 8 | 13 | 21 | 2 | 25 | 0.6 | 5 | 14 |
| Pat Maroon | 20202021 | TBL | L | L | 41 | 4 | 14 | 18 | 7 | 46 | 0.44 | 2 | 14 |
| Adam Henrique | 20202021 | ANA | L | C | 37 | 11 | 6 | 17 | -9 | 11 | 0.46 | 10 | 14 |
| Mathieu Joseph | 20202021 | TBL | L | R | 41 | 10 | 6 | 16 | 7 | 6 | 0.39 | 9 | 14 |
| Alex Wennberg | 20202021 | FLA | L | C | 42 | 11 | 8 | 19 | -1 | 8 | 0.45 | 9 | 14 |
| Conor Sheary | 20202021 | WSH | L | L | 38 | 8 | 6 | 14 | 0 | 12 | 0.37 | 8 | 14 |
| Johnny Gaudreau | 20202021 | CGY | L | L | 41 | 14 | 15 | 29 | -1 | 4 | 0.71 | 7 | 14 |
| Trevor Moore | 20202021 | LAK | L | C | 40 | 5 | 11 | 16 | 1 | 14 | 0.4 | 3 | 14 |
| Jean-Gabriel Pageau | 20202021 | NYI | R | C | 40 | 11 | 12 | 23 | 6 | 8 | 0.58 | 5 | 14 |
| Timo Meier | 20202021 | SJS | L | R | 38 | 8 | 16 | 24 | -2 | 14 | 0.63 | 6 | 14 |
| Casey Cizikas | 20202021 | NYI | L | C | 41 | 7 | 7 | 14 | 1 | 21 | 0.34 | 7 | 14 |
| Ryan Hartman | 20202021 | MIN | R | R | 35 | 6 | 11 | 17 | 1 | 25 | 0.49 | 5 | 13 |
| Alexis Lafrenière | 20202021 | NYR | L | L | 40 | 7 | 6 | 13 | -5 | 8 | 0.33 | 7 | 13 |
| Mathieu Perreault | 20202021 | WPG | L | L | 41 | 8 | 8 | 16 | 11 | 12 | 0.39 | 7 | 13 |
| Drake Batherson | 20202021 | OTT | R | R | 42 | 13 | 12 | 25 | -15 | 6 | 0.6 | 10 | 13 |
| Ryan Donato | 20202021 | SJS | L | C | 40 | 6 | 13 | 19 | -8 | 10 | 0.48 | 4 | 13 |
| Taylor Hall | 20202021 | BUF | L | L | 37 | 2 | 17 | 19 | -21 | 24 | 0.51 | 1 | 13 |
| Josh Norris | 20202021 | OTT | L | C | 42 | 11 | 11 | 22 | -13 | 6 | 0.52 | 7 | 13 |
| Vladislav Namestnikov | 20202021 | DET | L | C | 41 | 6 | 7 | 13 | -5 | 16 | 0.32 | 6 | 13 |
| Ilya Mikheyev | 20202021 | TOR | L | R | 41 | 6 | 8 | 14 | 2 | 6 | 0.34 | 6 | 13 |
| Jesper Fast | 20202021 | CAR | R | R | 35 | 6 | 11 | 17 | -2 | 10 | 0.49 | 5 | 13 |
Absolutely nothing to be ashamed of considering he averages 13 minute of ice time per game.
Without covid and a normal camp/ offseason, I think we see a different player on the ice now. I have no doubt he’s going to be very good. Figures our luck, kakko overplayed himself the first year and LaF didn’t play enough
fm
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Really hope that someday he can get 15 min per game and maybe produce more than Vladislav Namestnikov or Jesper Fast. Who knows, we might eventually have a Casey Cizikas on our hands, minus the murdering.
Rongomania
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Covid + having to play Was/Pit/NYI/Bos every single f*ckin' game. What kids in this league have faced more difficult overall competition?
Also, gotta reiterate, Kak and Laf haven't been able to play the TRUE basement teams/bad D'S league wide.
Both also joined teams that either made the playoffs or are competing for the playoffs the same year they were drafted, which by default will reduce their role and ice time significantly. How many other former #1 or even #2 picks joined a team that what was immediately in playoff contention? It just doesn't happen very often, if almost never
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