Oly lifting is not nearly the same as power lifting. Not sure that it gets you stronger either. I do not doubt that doing things like squat cleans can help but if they do strictly front squats that will probably build more strength. If these kids have never snatched before, to suddenly start doing it is not very easy.I was on a Zoom call with Ben Prentiss Friday and someone asked about Olympic Lifting for more speed and power. He gave a recent example and said most of the Rangers class that were with him during the offseason have never done Olympic lifting and he didn't have enough time with them to teach them so had to do other things. I think now that he'll have a full and normal offseason to work with the guys that will certainly help. If Laf is living with K'Andre this offseason then I'm sure he will be there training and working on more speed/explosiveness.
PS. set up a private internship with Prentiss while he has his NHL guys. I'll make sure I tell whatever Rangers are there to shoot the puck more.
Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II
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Chytilmania
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Power lifting is just for strength, not how an athlete should train. Oly lifting is for expressing speed and power on the field/court/ice.
Front Squats are actually one of the best ways to get faster too. It builds strength but will also help with speed. But yes the point was during the offseason he didn't have enough time to teach the athletes for to properly Clean or Snatch. That takes hours and lots of practice. Wouldn't be a good investment of their time. So he had to use other methods. With a full offseason for Laf and others they will be able to do the necessary training.
Clearly I am not Prentiss. And I do not play him on tv. I would be very careful about teaching them Oly. Potential to get hurt is clearly magnified. Like I said, they can probably do a pure front squat for more weight than they can doing a squat clean. But for sure, the lifts if done properly will promote better fitness. I guess that I just never thought of Oly as lifts to get stronger. More explosive, for sure.
Rempe73
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I seem to agree with everyone lol. I’m so 50-50 on him. On one hand, he needs to show a higher and more consistent skill level for a 1OA. OTOH, I do expect him to be a monster next season. The biggest issue is that the game is too fast for him. His hockey sense is just a split-second behind most players (which makes a big difference), and his first few steps and explosiveness need work. It’s just wildly different than juniors. Lafreniere beat up on kids in the Q for years. Pretty much a man against boys. But still, if he was so far ahead of everyone else, shouldn’t he be better than he is right now? It’s just such an unusual situation with covid. Not that it’s an excuse, but yea.
Rempe73
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Yea I mean I agree that it should be worked on before being drafted, but it’s hard to find a prospect with elite skill, IQ, AND skating. I’d rather have a prospect with elite skill and IQ above everything else. Problem is neither Lafreniere or Kakko are showing elite skill. Anyways, if/when it comes, they should still be great players. Elite skating doesn’t mean much when you make slow/dumb decisions with the puck or on defense. Also doesn’t mean much offensively when you can’t handle the puck or make a good pass. Plenty of elite NHL players are average or below average skaters. Skill, sense, and to a lesser extent, size (which Kakko and Lafreniere thankfully have) all mitigate their skating issues.
On the one hand you're preaching to the choir here.
On the other, it's hard to just 'assume' he'd meet or exceed Kakko's PP production, since Kakko was actually excellent on the PP last year.
My personal suspicion is that if Laf had been getting meaningful PP time all season, he wouldn't have a that many PP points, but would probably have more points at even strength and would be playing a lot better since he'd be consistently seeing icetime that positions him to make plays, play with skilled players in the offensive zone, and pick up points more consistently. Confidence is an important element with scorers.
But he's not and hasn't been getting that time. And he's now heading for a 25 point paced season. That's really discouraging. A 90 point, top of his position in the NHL player seems like a pipe dream at this point, whether that's on the player or on the org.
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I thought Kakko did very well last year on the powerplay. However, I don't know if I'd quite consider it an unattainable plateau for either guy this season. So I definitely disagree that his special teams numbers would be below that. I'd say on par, probably a bit better.
As for discouraging, I don't think we can separate the two if the whole crux of the argument continually leads to point totals as they compare to previous high draft picks. And those aren't my parameters, those are the parameters that have been hammered home by the portion of fans who are worried, or who want to compare Lafreniere to Stutzle.
If people wanna know where the points are, well there we go. They're on special teams and when you aren't on special teams, you're looking at the difference between a 25-30 point rookie season and the 50 point rookie season that some were expecting.
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When he gets going, he plays with a great pace. He cuts through the ice very well.
Alexis looking for the shot first will only help him. We know he can make passes that nobody even realizes are there, but defensemen and goalies have to at least suspect he may shoot for the lanes to open. I trust his talent to find them when they’re there, he just needs to be a shooter first for a while I think.
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It's almost like development is a process. Who ahead of Laf are you going to demote for more ice time? On the flip side, he isn't learning much if he's not getting the minutes. I'd prefer he was on a line with Zib and Buch because they do things right on both sides of the puck. Let him go make mistakes and teach him lessons in video sessions. Hindering a players strength to force them to focus on a weakness is how you end up with really solid two way players that don't produce up to their potential.
There is no almost. Developing is very much a process. Breaking bad habits, teaching that the defensive side of the play exists is about as far away from "hindering" as it gets.
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It's not a hindrance unless it stifles creativity. Need a system that allows for both. Which is why youth with vets is probably the most beneficial way. I love kid lines but they tend to be mediocre on both sides of the puck or good on one and bad on the other. Pick your poison. Can't have it all and I'm ok with that.
Lafy has also been incredibly unlucky. I can’t count how many times he hit a post or the puck went near the goal line but through the crease or what have you. I do think this Covid situation didn’t help either
lack of a normal training camp and training and draft late did not help. he will come around. I thought he had more of an edge in his game. i rarely seen that yet. not much hitting and physicality from him
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Last game was the first where the Kid Line looked good all game without Kakko carrying it. That's a good sign.
Right now, Gauthier and Chytil see the game similarly, and I suspect that Lafreniere and Kravtsov do as well. Would be interesting to see what happens if we take out Gauthier for the more creative offensive vision. Maybe it doesn't work as well, but I want to find out!
Right now, Gauthier and Chytil see the game similarly, and I suspect that Lafreniere and Kravtsov do as well. Would be interesting to see what happens if we take out Gauthier for the more creative offensive vision. Maybe it doesn't work as well, but I want to find out!
Maybe I'm taking too simplistic an approach but he just looks like a kid that hasn't learned he's not going to get away with doing the things he did in Jrs at this level. I'm sure up until this season, he was always the best player on the ice every game he played. He could probably do stuff at 3/4 effort and still be the best player on the ice. Last night he had a chance to get the puck in deep, didn't, and Wash went back down the ice and almost scored a goal. Soft dump ins, not going to the tough parts of the ice, not being more assertive on the walls are all things that are easy to fix. It just takes time. The last goal he scored should give everyone a glimpse of what he can do when he has a bit of time and space. He just needs to learn how to get to those spots a little quicker and be a little more decisive. The skill is there, the brain just needs to catch up.
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As it's been stated, it seems like he's a great leader and great for the locker room. Our future Captain
He'll be a top3 producer on the squad next season.
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I'm going to guess this was the home and billet family LaFreniere and Miller were living with prior to the start of the season. Although I guess there could be multiple large mansion complexes in Stamford, CT with private rink, locker rooms and their own zambonis.
I'm going to guess this was the home and billet family LaFreniere and Miller were living with prior to the start of the season. Although I guess there could be multiple large mansion complexes in Stamford, CT with private rink, locker rooms and their own zambonis.
Must be nice to live in a house like that. I think it'll be a few years until both guys can afford it but soon enough they will be able to.
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Eight minuets of ice time. How can Gorton see this and allow this f***ing clown still be in charge
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The more I watched tonight the more I realize that Quinn is a f***ing idiot. Everyone goes crazy about stutzle but he plays minutes and plays on the PP. laf on Ottawa would be putting up similar numbers
HatTrick Swayze
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They need to get him more ice time, this is getting a bit ridiculous. Though admittedly their line came out poor defensively...first two shifts gave up some bad looks.
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