Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II

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“Player development” takes longer than 34 pandemic games or a season and a half of time for 18-19 year olds.

I think that’s the disconnect between how some fans are reacting and how others are trying to remain patient.

Does it suck? Sure

I was patient more or less early on when people were going crazy. But I can't think of one first overall in recent memory that's been as bad as Laf. Kakko in his sophomore year does good things and has improved but looks like a 4th liner offensively. It just doesn't happen anywhere else, even the worst franchises in history.
 
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I actually like to use the Mark Schiefle comparisons when talking about kids careers. Winnipeg fans were mad about that pick for 3 years, doesnt look so bad now.
 
He wasn't on the team his first 2 years and wasn't a 1OA pick.

He couldn't make the team the first two years because he was too raw much like these kids are, thats the point. This year being a pandemic even put more to deal with, without proper training camps, coaching, trainers in the offseason, and games for like 10 months.
 
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He couldn't make the team the first two years because he was too raw much like these kids are, thats the point. This year being a pandemic even put more to deal with, without proper training camps, coaching, trainers in the offseason, and games for like 10 months.

It will be interesting to see the Laf vs Byfield careers. 1 who started right away and the other given time to develop.
 
That's fair, but Hughes was a worse prospect and not as NHL ready in terms of his body.
Maybe not from a strength standpoint, but I think you could argue that Jack at least had NHL level skating (if not plus level), while Lafreniere's is currently sub-average in terms of explosiveness and pace.
 
Hughes had 21 in 61 and it was the worst statistical season for a 1OA since Joe Thornton was drafted, quite a long time ago. Lafreniere is on pace for about 16 in 61 right now. Even though it’s a marginal difference in total points, it’s also roughly 25% less, and it’s still the worst 1OA season since like 1997. Just our luck.
 
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Maybe not from a strength standpoint, but I think you could argue that Jack at least had NHL level skating (if not plus level), while Lafreniere's is currently sub-average in terms of explosiveness and pace.

It's strange how many top 10 picks we've had where you say their skating is not a strength.
 
It will be interesting to see the Laf vs Byfield careers. 1 who started right away and the other given time to develop.
Yeah, I dunno. I think Laf needs a few games off at minimum, and realistically needs to be getting big minutes in the A. But that’s not an option, and the Q would be doing him more harm than good at this point.

He’s not going to put it all together this year. We need to hope he continues to learn, takes all of these lessons home over the summer, and uses that high end competitiveness and hockey IQ to come back next year as a different player.

I’ve been riding him hard all year because this is a special prospect. I really think posters here tend to forget that. This isn’t the late first or second rounder that we’re all used to crossing our fingers over. This is a legit, can’t miss, change your franchise player, and he has to come back next year ready to show that.

If he has a Kakko-like sophomore showing (points, underlying metrics, whatever), I won’t know what to say or do.
 
It will be interesting to see the Laf vs Byfield careers. 1 who started right away and the other given time to develop.

Byfield is only being given time to develop because he isn't even close to NHL ready.

Long term? I don't think it'll be close. Byfield doesn't think the game all that well.
 
So when Laf was playing okay, but not getting on the scoreboard, it was all about the points.

Now he's popping in some points, but not playing as well, so it's all about the play.

Am I doing it right?
When was he playing well? It's like Kakko last season, we praise the kid for making a pass or 1 good play a game in the NHL. OMG, did you see him skate around the net with the puck and find an open player at the point? Laf was never playing well. He just had a few plays you'd expect from an NHL player. I'm sure this offseason training will be important for his success. Skating needs to be worked on.
 
It's strange how many top 10 picks we've had where you say their skating is not a strength.
I'm not sure how you get drafted top 15 and make it that far without being a good skater. It blows my mind. I've played in some high level tournaments (No, we're not talking NHL level), but those players could flat out skate. I completely get puck protection and physical attributes play a major part against competition that might be smaller or not as physically strong as you (especially in the legs), but you had to know you just gone through your teen years not being one of the better skaters. That's something that should be worked on before being drafted.
 
Byfield is only being given time to develop because he isn't even close to NHL ready.

Long term? I don't think it'll be close. Byfield doesn't think the game all that well.

I don't disagree but from what I'm seeing Kaako wasn't ready last year and Laf wasn't ready this year.
 
We can nitpick stats and projections all we want, but there are only a few MCD/Matthews that step into the league right away and are impactful to that degree. I have no problem playing the patience game with the player(s) so long as we see incremental improvements. My biggest gripe is utilization by the coach, or the lack their of. Many of us thought our elite talent kids would benefit from playing on a better roster than most other 1oa/2oa picks, but it has kind of worked the other way where the team seems to prioritize making a playoff push over the development of their elite young talents. I have to believe you can accomplish both with some tweaks to deployment and utilization.

Points will come though, I am not too worried about that long term...
 
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So when Laf was playing okay, but not getting on the scoreboard, it was all about the points.

Now he's popping in some points, but not playing as well, so it's all about the play.

Am I doing it right?

3 points and 1 goal since his 4 game point streak (13 games)...
 
3 points and 1 goal since his 4 game point streak (13 games)...

And all at even strength as well.

So right now, without any meaningful special teams time, he's scoring at a 12 goal/24 point pace.

Last year on the powerplay, Kakko had 2 goals and 13 points in 66 games.

If Lafreniere did nothing but match that pace on special teams, that's 15 goals and 40 points. Now, let's assume he exceeds it because he's been better than Kakko in his rookie year.

So let's even modestly give him 5 goals and 20 points on the powerplay. That's a 20 goal/44 point season.

Warts and all, that's an NHL player.
 
Hughes had 21 in 61 and it was the worst statistical season for a 1OA since Joe Thornton was drafted, quite a long time ago. Lafreniere is on pace for about 16 in 61 right now. Even though it’s a marginal difference in total points, it’s also roughly 25% less, and it’s still the worst 1OA season since like 1997. Just our luck.

Half of Hughes production came on the Devils 1st PP unit. He only had 11 5v5 (9 primary) points in 61 games. Lafreniere has 9 5v5 points (8 primary) in 34 games.

Laf’s 5v5 production is underwhelming considering his talent but the biggest hit to his numbers is the lack of PP1 time.
 
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I feel like strength is a lot easier to improve than skating.
I was on a Zoom call with Ben Prentiss Friday and someone asked about Olympic Lifting for more speed and power. He gave a recent example and said most of the Rangers class that were with him during the offseason have never done Olympic lifting and he didn't have enough time with them to teach them so had to do other things. I think now that he'll have a full and normal offseason to work with the guys that will certainly help. If Laf is living with K'Andre this offseason then I'm sure he will be there training and working on more speed/explosiveness.
PS. set up a private internship with Prentiss while he has his NHL guys. I'll make sure I tell whatever Rangers are there to shoot the puck more. ;)
 
I was patient more or less early on when people were going crazy. But I can't think of one first overall in recent memory that's been as bad as Laf. Kakko in his sophomore year does good things and has improved but looks like a 4th liner offensively. It just doesn't happen anywhere else, even the worst franchises in history.

I cannot disagree with you on that (however I wouldnt call Kakko a fourth line talent right now) I just don't think its a clear cut result of coaching deficiencies.

I think it's a convenient argument to mask the fact that maybe these two particular draft picks, however widely agreed upon as the consensus pick at their respective spots just aren't as impactful off the bat in their careers.

I sure hope they will get there - and no - I'm not happy with it, its disappointing and I'd be lying if there wasn't some concern to go along with it, but I'm not ready to call either a bust or say that they wont reach their potential, or fire the coach based on their results thus far.
 
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