NYRFANMANI
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Easily imo.
Question with LAF is his ceiling ... his hockey IQ is stupid, at 19 yo with 22 NHL games ... really liked the last couple of games.
Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II
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Easily imo.
Question with LAF is his ceiling ... his hockey IQ is stupid, at 19 yo with 22 NHL games ... really liked the last couple of games.
Machinehead
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Looking at the analytics, good news and bad news.
Good news: he's now driving offense at an above average level in the NHL.
Bad news: he needs to shoot more. Like, a lot more. His play-driving tells me he's had the opportunity. He's a great playmaker but he also defaults to his teammates when it's not the best option. He needs to develop the confidence to take it by himself. That, in turn, opens up teammates in better spots.
Good news: he's now driving offense at an above average level in the NHL.
Bad news: he needs to shoot more. Like, a lot more. His play-driving tells me he's had the opportunity. He's a great playmaker but he also defaults to his teammates when it's not the best option. He needs to develop the confidence to take it by himself. That, in turn, opens up teammates in better spots.
FireGerardGallant
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Lmao its unbelievable that Laf is actually losing that poll to Stuzle. People talk about Stuzle like hes the next coming of Jesus its unbelievable
Machinehead
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What's funny is that some of Laf's actual points have been lucky. The best stuff he's done either hit the post or got bobbled by Strome/Zibanejad.
If the main boards ran hockey teams, guys would be getting traded 3-4 times a year. They base their entire views on 20 games of reading goals and assists on the internet.
Or if you're lucky, one viewing. "Have you seen Stützle play??!!!" Honestly, no, and that's one less time than you've seen him. Nobody actually watches anybody but their own team and even those takes are 50/50.
If the main boards ran hockey teams, guys would be getting traded 3-4 times a year. They base their entire views on 20 games of reading goals and assists on the internet.
Or if you're lucky, one viewing. "Have you seen Stützle play??!!!" Honestly, no, and that's one less time than you've seen him. Nobody actually watches anybody but their own team and even those takes are 50/50.
GlassesJacketShirt
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Pretty much. I'm guilty of this shit too, though I've minimized it as time goes on because there comes a time when we hopefully become more honest about our usage of time.
I watched a few more Rangers games, ironically none of them involved him getting points, and it's getting clearer he'll need to put in work on his lower body. Adding strength to hold off opponents and do things at a slightly quicker pace will help towards solving his pacing problem, as getting to places faster should increase the likelihood of pressuring opponents with and without the puck.
His second largest issue is an unwillingness to shoot, as you've mentioned, which could be related to positioning on the ice based on trying to be in the right place rather than the dangerous spots, but he has a terrific wrister he doesn't use enough. That will have to come with confidence.
As a more general assessment, I think it would be best to put Lafreniere with Chytil and Gauthier once Panarin comes back. Some of Lafreniere's deficiencies can be covered up by playing with Chytil in particular, and it will allow Panarin and Zibanejad to try and get something going for more consistency offensively (especially if Kreider and Strome keep doing okay on their own).
I don't think it's necessary to put star prospects on the top lines right away so much as it's about making sure they aren't playing with borderline NHLers.
KirkAlbuquerque
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Still don’t get why he isn’t on PP1. What is Quinn afraid to ruin the amazing chemistry on that unit? Players like him need space. Rangers are garbage in transition and at creating off the rush so he’s not getting any space to work with 5 on 5 . Kakko too. Yeah he’s making nice plays on the boards but he’s not getting to the middle of the ice so all the nifty wall moves in the world won’t translate to points
Amazing Kreiderman
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It reminds me of the Matthews vs Laine debates
Tim Stutzle has terrible underlying numbers and has been flat out lucky this year.
He's got sophomore slump written all over him if his game doesn't tank sooner than that.
He's got sophomore slump written all over him if his game doesn't tank sooner than that.
Amazing Kreiderman
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Pronman wrote something about Stützle AND Byfield over Lafrenière
Look, you either judge on immediate success, and make a case for Stützle or you judge on upside and make a case for Lafrenière but there's no scenario where you rank both ahead of Laf. It's ridiculous.
I love Stützle. I really enjoy his rise as a prospect but I would never have drafted him 1st overall
Look, you either judge on immediate success, and make a case for Stützle or you judge on upside and make a case for Lafrenière but there's no scenario where you rank both ahead of Laf. It's ridiculous.
I love Stützle. I really enjoy his rise as a prospect but I would never have drafted him 1st overall
Synergy27
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This is all well and good and probably true. But like it or not, the kid really looks good with the puck. He’s fast, authoritative, and skilled. It’s easy to get enamored by that.
Not much that he's done this year that has resulted in production really screams repeatable. That doesn't mean that it will come with time, but anyone who think TS is head and shoulders better is looking at the stat sheets. He hasn't really looked all that good at all and the metrics support that.
Everyone hear should stop worrying about what the rest of the boards thinks. Will Stutzle be better? Who knows. That isn't important. The important question is what Laf will look like in 2-3 years.
I'm not trying to be obnoxious since I mostly agree with you but some said same thing about Kakko. Should we be worried if Kakko scores 10 points this year? I know Lafreniere is supposed to be better but it's hard to stay fully positive.
HatTrick Swayze
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Bookmarked that one by Pronman...hope it makes great troll fodder in a year or two. Just a ridiculous take to publish, but this is coming from the same guy who thought St Croix was head and shoulders above JT Miller for like 2 full years after the 2011 draft.
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Yeah. The only team at the draft who had to make a decision about Stutzle was LA.
EdJovanovski
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I’m sure lots of people watch more than their own team, I thoroughly follow and watch every game of the Rangers & Canucks, as well as a lot of other games around the league on Center Ice
Eh, the message I got from his article was that Lafreniere was still #1, but Stutzle now #2 with a smaller gap, then a bigger gap to Byfield at #3.
I'd classify it as more of a warm take than a ridiculous hot take.
I watch almost every Habs game and listen to the postgame show and try to watch other North games that start later in the eve or on nights Rangers don’t play.
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Should Florida have drafted Nichushkin over Barkov?
Did Boston make a mistake not taking Skinner over Seguin?
Why did the Flyers not draft Gagner instead of van Riemsdyk?
That's what Pronman's article sounds like.
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“Yes”.
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Maybe we should start taking notes and not rush anymore prospects. I’m not gonna be a hypocrite since I was on board with everyone else in getting Laf and Kakko here ASAP but it has to stop. Let the rest of these prospects Including our 2021 first rounder marinate as long as possible Away from nyc.
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This is wrong: the only reason to believe that TS isn't good is by looking at extended stats, anyone who sees him play would say otherwise. There were games where he was the best player on the ice, this was said by both Ottawa and opposing fans. You would also be able to see that he wasn't 'lucky', but terribly unlucky the last 5-6 games. The amount of unlucky bounces, bad passes and good goaltenting by the opponent he experienced in these games could have easily been 5-6 more points.
I don't care about extended stats, this is what I learned when watching Draisaitl who many people believed to be bad defensively -- which is absolute BS if you watch him actually play.
Don't forget that these extended stats are hugely influenced and determined by your team and your linemates. Ottawa was the worst team in the NHL the first 10 games, this had a great impact on his numbers (not to claim that there are no flaws in his game, especially defensively).
His underlying stats are putrid relative to his teammates, so team quality doesn't applly.
He's got massive flaws in his game all around. This isn't to say that he isn't skilled or hasn't shown flashes of doing some really impressive stuff, but he's been super, super, super lucky this year. There no way around that.
And he hasn't been that unlucky the last few games. If you want to see unlucky, you should watch Lafreniere. It's hard to make this case when 2 of his most recent points were low danger shots (one by him and one by I think it was Anisimov, it may have been someone else) that deflected up off a defender's stick and got by a goalie. I have less of a problem with these types of points vs. almost every assist hes put up this year since these are things that do happen when you shoot the puck, but it's still a lucky break.
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