Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II

[Math the wild rose]

People who have doubts about Lafrenière arent even serious about watchin hockey or be included in a hockey discution, you can see this guy is the Combo of Rick nash and the intelligent play of Lecavalier.

he is the power forward you needed to get the job done
If the guys put work like alexis, who will do just Like Crosby, Lecavalier, first choice.

their parents are very grounded. fans need to understand that they are already puttin a ton of pressure on themselves to succeed, a gentle to rough amount variation of the fans love for their players should be observed.,

You jut have the beginning of his career, hes f***ing 19 years old too.

 

[Math the wild rose]

As a flyers fans, i hate the Bruins as well. And i like your team a lot. I now have resignation about m,y team the flyers for not loving your team, i think your team is very interesting.

 

[kovazub94]

Just like every teenager / rookie joining NHL they need to

1. Lose their junior habits that are based on having more time and space to execute

2. Improve their play away from the puck

In many respects these two are the opposites in the way they could be achieved and the main reasons why prospects look bad out there.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

His play hasnt really changed much at all. Outside of that first Bruins game last week where he was involved in everything, hes pretty much continued to be who he has been for most of the season, the puck is just going in for him and his teammates now.

... His teammates are STILL beefing chances that hes setting up for him though. Buch fumbled the puck on what would have been a secondary assist on a wide open net and we know what happened with Zibaenebad yesterday in the 3rd (though even if he handled that pass, he probably wouldn't have scored)

 

[aufheben]

I wrote that at the same time you posted the chart, so it looked like a response, but had nothing to do with that specifically.

Shot location, xGs, etc. all interesting, to a point. I find it lazy to just throw everything that troubles those data points into 'luck'.

Then again, I'm not ever in here saying or even implying the kid's a bust or something. Just really unimpressed/concerned with what I'm seeing from a player development pov.

Although...while on the topic, Lafreniere as of today has shot 0.75 ixG/60...last time I looked it was 0.61-0.65 ixG/60. Decent jump.

That’d be what 12-13 goals playing 12:00 5v5 for 82 games. Assuming he’s simply not good at finishing lirl.

 

[aufheben]

His play hasnt really changed much at all. Outside of that first Bruins game last week where he was involved in everything, hes pretty much continued to be who he has been for most of the season, the puck is just going in for him and his teammates now.

... His teammates are STILL beefing chances that hes setting up for him though. Buch fumbled the puck on what would have been a secondary assist on a wide open net and we know what happened with Zibaenebad yesterday in the 3rd (though even if he handled that pass, he probably wouldn't have scored)

I’d say out of every 4 games, Laf looks...

1 game - amazing
1 game - solid
2 games - quiet

There’s been 0 games where I thought “Christ get this kid off the ice”.

 

[will1066]

His play hasnt really changed much at all. Outside of that first Bruins game last week where he was involved in everything, hes pretty much continued to be who he has been for most of the season, the puck is just going in for him and his teammates now.

... His teammates are STILL beefing chances that hes setting up for him though. Buch fumbled the puck on what would have been a secondary assist on a wide open net and we know what happened with Zibaenebad yesterday in the 3rd (though even if he handled that pass, he probably wouldn't have scored)

On the other hand, he's flubbed some good chances too.

 

[Machinehead]

My friend @VoluntaryDom made a pretty stunning observation. It's totally counterintuitive and I don't fully understand why but the pattern holds up.

Centers hit their stride in the NHL quicker than wingers. The overwhelming majority of high picks who kicked the door in D+1 are centers.

 

[aufheben]

WARNING: FANCE STATS

Game-by-game history for Laf:

• Teammates
• Ice time
• On-Ice Shots For/Against
• On-Ice Sh% For/Against
• Points
• Shift Starts O-zone/D-zone

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

WARNING: FANCE STATS

Game-by-game history for Laf:

• Teammates
• Ice time
• On-Ice Shots For/Against
• On-Ice Sh% For/Against
• Points
• Shift Starts O-zone/D-zone

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Can you post Stutzle's as well? Curious to see the differences, mostly the linemates

 

[Irishguy42]

Can you post Stutzle's as well? Curious to see the differences, mostly the linemates

 

[Rempe73]

As a flyers fans, i hate the Bruins as well. And i like your team a lot. I now have resignation about m,y team the flyers for not loving your team, i think your team is very interesting.

I appreciate it. This is a nice change of pace from the teams we’ve had since Jagr left. We have a lot of interesting skilled players now finally.

Also, I’ll admit the Flyers aren’t very interesting as a whole, but I like their defensemen and Farabee.

 

[Rempe73]

My friend @VoluntaryDom made a pretty stunning observation. It's totally counterintuitive and I don't fully understand why but the pattern holds up.

Centers hit their stride in the NHL quicker than wingers. The overwhelming majority of high picks who kicked the door in D+1 are centers.

Wtf that’s weird as hell

 

[Machinehead]

Wtf that’s weird as hell

I have a working theory. It's a meme in the NHL that centers are just better than wingers, full-stop, and it affects coaching and front offices.

Coaches will just trust centers more because they're centers. I'm not saying it *doesn't* entail more responsibility, but they're not gonna f***in check lol. Lots of centers are bad defensively and nobody notices.

And if you play enough, you score by accident.

Auston Matthews is a good example. The dude is terrible defenisvely and always has been. Played 17 minutes out of the gate. If a winger were that bad defensively, it would be more like 13 or 14 minutes.

 

[Rempe73]

I have a working theory. It's a meme in the NHL that centers are just better than wingers, full-stop, and it affects coaching and front offices.

Coaches will just trust centers more because they're centers. I'm not saying it *doesn't* entail more responsibility, but they're not gonna f***in check lol. Lots of centers are bad defensively and nobody notices.

And if you play enough, you score by accident.

Auston Matthews is a good example. The dude is terrible defenisvely and always has been. Played 17 minutes out of the gate. If a winger were that bad defensively, it would be more like 13 or 14 minutes.

You know what...that doesn’t sound like a bad theory. Would explain Howden. Maybe coaches just feel like centers have a lot on their shoulders, and that their performance should be judged relative to that.

 

[rdhstlr23]

My friend @VoluntaryDom made a pretty stunning observation. It's totally counterintuitive and I don't fully understand why but the pattern holds up.

Centers hit their stride in the NHL quicker than wingers. The overwhelming majority of high picks who kicked the door in D+1 are centers.

Where is that data? I’d love to look at it.

This is from a dumb guy (me).

My goal was to see trends of a superstar. This exercise was done with Kaapo Kakko in mind, but it applies to LaFreniere too.

Essentially, I took an arbitrary list of the Top 50 players from here: NHL's Top 50 players going into 2020-21 season

I looked at how they scored (total points and ppg) in their first two seasons. I wanted to see how that matched up to Kakko.

When I did that little exercise, I noticed it was centers that took a longer time to produce than wingers (like superstars). You’ve got the studs from day 1 like McDavid and Crosby, but it took many years for C’s to hit that status (e.g. Zibanejad, Couturier, O’Reilly, Scheifele, etc.)...more so than wingers which was by Y2 in most cases.

 

[rdhstlr23]

It’s great to see the points coming for LaFreniere. It’s really important for a young kid’s confidence to see the reward of points for “good play”.

It’s one thing for coaches to say you’re doing well and underlying stats to say you’re doing well. It’s another thing to have the point totals coming to reinforce that.

And that goal he got last night does that. Was it a bit lucky? Ya. Who cares? When you see him ring a few off the post, or his teammates not able to finish his passes, those are the things that happen for a guy that’s playing well.

 

[LetsGoRangers2021]

I’d say out of every 4 games, Laf looks...

1 game - amazing
1 game - solid
2 games - quiet

There’s been 0 games where I thought “Christ get this kid off the ice”.

That’s a pretty solid analysis. I think “amazing” might be stretching it. Maybe more like “very solid with a few amazing/ eye opening moments”

Regardless, I am not worried even a little. I love his attitude and his play. Most of the team is snake-bitten. Hell, look at Taylor Hall, Eichel, and Skinner.

 

[Math the wild rose]

I appreciate it. This is a nice change of pace from the teams we’ve had since Jagr left. We have a lot of interesting skilled players now finally.

Also, I’ll admit the Flyers aren’t very interesting as a whole, but I like their defensemen and Farabee.

yup Hart, myers, provorov, sanheim, ghost, york, zamula..much talented defense indeed.

Offense need a solid rebuild.

 

[Math the wild rose]

Panarin is producing but i dont feel he is the star of this team, its weird.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Panarin is most definitely our star player on Offense, with Fox being our franchise player on the Defensive end. Panarin is a top 3 winger in the game.

Kucherov
Kane
Panarin
Pastrnak
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[duhmetreE]

PUT HIM ON POWERPLAY ONE

 

[rangersfansince08]

Honestly I'm surprised any of our wingers are producing with our centers.

I also disagree with this narrative that non Rangers fans seem to be making that he has no elite skills and lacks Stuzle's high end potential.

 

[rangersfansince08]

should be required reading for anyone who thinks he’s been bad, invisible, overwhelmed or all of the above.

Anybody who argues that is ignorant. He hasn't produced the way many expected but he hasn't looked out of place. Even in his "worst" games he still looks like a competent NHL player.

 

[Chytilmania]

For everyone who posts a graph or analytics can you PLEASE provide a simple one sentence summary for those who don't follow. I see all these charts and heat maps and whoever posts it provides zero context or analysis.
Thanks