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Player Discussion Alexis Lafrenière: Part II

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The New Russian Five said:
One thing I notice a lot with Laf, is that he doesn't move his feet enough without the puck. He seems to have picked up a really bad habit of gliding into seams or stopping short on forechecks.

It's either, he isn't in shape and can't keep moving his feet consistently, or 2 he's developed a bad habit. I remember reading somewhere that because he was dominating the Q, this was an issue for him, because he didn't see the necessity to move his feet so much.

Do you know whose job it is to get him to light a fire under his ass and get him to start hustling if this is indeed a bad habit? The coach. It just doesn't seem like Quinn does anything to get him going.

I remember when I played high school hockey, my coach would call me out on that shit and threaten to bench me, and it always lit a fire under my ass and skated my ass off for a string of games. This never seems to happen with Laf. Either Quinn is calling him out on it, and Laf isn't responding to it, in which case he should be benched for a game to send a message, or Quinn isn't saying anything about it to him. Considering Laf isn't getting benched and playing on the first line, I am guessing the latter.

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Re the bolded, couldn't agree more. It's been probably the most frustrating aspect of his game so far. I don't know whether it's laziness, tentativeness, or a really bad habit as you said. Scouching on youtube in his scouting report on Lafreniere had made similar observations of him in the Q. Hopefully as he gets more comfortable in the league this changes but it's something he needs to work on if he's going to become who he was projected to become.
 
Pawnee Rangers said:
Same coach, same offensive system as last year. You can talk in all the circles you want but someone just posted proof that your system complaint isn't accurate or based in reality.
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We do not have the same offensive system as last year as we do not have the same system. I'm talking in circles?

Using 2019-2020 numbers when our offense was buzzing is proof? Different year, different team, different system.

I guess I should use 2019 PP numbers to show that our PP is good this year. Or our 2019 defense numbers to show that our defense is bad this year. what logic are we using here?

Watch the games. Like I've said, I'd be curious to see our zone entry carry % this year. I'd be curious to see last year numbers minus Panarin. but those are special tools only a select few can utilize. Panarin and Chytil have led our team in zone entries.
 
DanielBrassard said:
Re the bolded, couldn't agree more. It's been probably the most frustrating aspect of his game so far. I don't know whether it's laziness, tentativeness, or a really bad habit as you said. Scouching on youtube in his scouting report on Lafreniere had made similar observations of him in the Q. Hopefully as he gets more comfortable in the league this changes but it's something he needs to work on if he's going to become who he was projected to become.
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This was all anybody said about Kakko last year too.

It's like the twighlight zone watching the exact same season play out for these two back to back. Swap out some points for a few more xGF and you've got the same player as 19-20 Kakko.
 
TheDirtyH said:
This was all anybody said about Kakko last year too.

It's like the twighlight zone watching the exact same season play out for these two back to back. Swap out some points for a few more xGF and you've got the same player as 19-20 Kakko.
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I don't think the two are all that similar. The production is frustrating no question, but Kakko did not even look like he could even keep up most of the time last season. Lafreniere at the very least has been more involved than that. Has he shown the high-end skill or motor we were told he had? Unfortunately it's been sporadic but he has been NHL caliber, while Kakko was not. We also can't discount the fact he's had terrible luck, I mean really bad.
 
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I don't think the two are all that similar. The production is frustrating no question, but Kakko did not even look like he could even keep up most of the time last season. Lafreniere at the very least has been more involved than that. Has he shown the high-end skill or motor we were told he had? Unfortunately it's been sporadic but he has been NHL caliber, while Kakko was not. We also can't discount the fact he's had terrible luck, I mean really bad.
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Kakko looked fine for the first two months.
 
TheDirtyH said:
Kakko looked fine for the first two months.
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I think he looked good on the PP. We really need a LHS on the right dot/wall. It's comical at this point

DanielBrassard said:
I would disagree there. He excelled on the PP and put up some points but 5v5 he was a lost cause for basically the entire season.
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He got worse as the season went on. It really fell apart when he was taken off the PP.
 
The New Russian Five said:
Kravtsov's 1 year in NA he struggled immensely and even f***ed with his game when he initially got back to Russia. He needed a whole offseason to bat away all the mind games that Quinn played him with.

Gauthier might be a project, but he was one of the best scorers in the AHL and he should be showing more to us given his physical tools than he has been.

Lias might be struggling in LA, but that's after 3 years of development under Quinn. He is what he is at this point.

Kakko might be looking better relative to last year, but still has underwhelming numbers. I have hopes for him, but that is in spite of how Quinn is using him.

Laf was one of the more hyped prospects of the last decade. Was supposed to be in the tier just below Matthews level. He is having one of the worst rookie seasons by a first overall in the last half century, especially if you compare hype to performance.

Do I think the players shouldn't be at least partially accountable? Of course I do, but I also think this is on the coach at this point.

At this point, if you think it is all the players fault, then maybe we should start looking to to trade these guys, because they are clearly all defected goods. Or if you think the coach is at least part to blame, maybe we should consider a coaching change, would could have a change of effect on all these players. Personally I think the changing of coach is much more of a low-risk, high reward play than trading the players.
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Everything else aside, Lias is a 22 year old who hasn’t even played a single full season worth of NHL games cumulatively. To say Quinn has so thoroughly ruined him that it’s Quinn’s fault he’s not good in LA is a huge, huge stretch. This isn’t even a defense of Quinn, just pointing out that that’s not a solid argument
 
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I just want to see feet moving and a nifty dangle or two.
 
DanielBrassard said:
Re the bolded, couldn't agree more. It's been probably the most frustrating aspect of his game so far. I don't know whether it's laziness, tentativeness, or a really bad habit as you said. Scouching on youtube in his scouting report on Lafreniere had made similar observations of him in the Q. Hopefully as he gets more comfortable in the league this changes but it's something he needs to work on if he's going to become who he was projected to become.
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The Scouching video! That's where I remember seeing that he had developed that bad habit. Sounds like he was spot on. But if this is the case Quinn needs to be in his ear about it all the time. Not moving your feet at the NHL level is inexcusable.
 
haveandare said:
Everything else aside, Lias is a 22 year old who hasn’t even played a single full season worth of NHL games cumulatively. To say Quinn has so thoroughly ruined him that it’s Quinn’s fault he’s not good in LA is a huge, huge stretch. This isn’t even a defense of Quinn, just pointing out that that’s not a solid argument
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Was just making a case there he's a one of a growing list of young players that struggled under Quinn. Out of the group he's probably the one that had the least to do with Quinn as a coach and more that he just isn't that good. But the trend still remains regardless.

But Laf looking lazy and not moving his feet out there? My coach used rip me new ones when ever I did that. Quinn does nothing to motivate or help him fix his game.
 
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Looks good so far tonight. I think having fans is also a thing this team in general will benefit from, but also idk if Laf had ever played without fans in a building before. Either way, crashing the net, shot off the crossbar. Looks good.
 
CupSeeker said:
I'm sure they looked at it between periods because Laf was asking about it. Don't think it matters now.
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In the replay the puck disappears after it hits the underside of the crossbar. slow it down. need the overhead view.
 
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