Even if I agree you do need two or three better, you also need those guys 4-10. Getting rid of three extended core pieces without even being confident that you replaced them is terribad.
Confirmed with Link: Alexander Romanov & Pick #98 Traded to NY Islanders for Pick #13 & Flip It + Pick #66 to Chicago for Kirby Dach
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Yeah but none of those guys turned it up in the playoffs. Dach never had the chance but the others looked like passengers. They probably didnt feel they were pieces to a winning team.
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You really think Chicago is playing 4 dimensional chess with the rest of the league? Knowing that tanking only gives you slightly better odds at Bedard than 30 and 31 it seems like a big risk. In the last dozen years the last place team only selected first 4 times (including the last 2)...no guarantee.
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Its not just Bedard. Its Nazar and Korchinski, its assets that are primed to have an impact at the same time as their first pick this year and next.
I suppose technically, of the 10 points we‘re up on Chicago, at least 1 point is directly attributed to Dach for his SO winner over Chicago last game.
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Plus Caufield’s last second goal against the Flyers. They knew what they were doing, drafting York instead! Clever bastards.I suppose technically, of the 10 points we‘re up on Chicago, at least 1 point is directly attributed to Dach for his SO winner over Chicago last game.
Korchunski and Nazar are nothing special and not at Dach/Debincat level. Reichel is the only top talent they have. They have so little it will take at least 6 years to recover.
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Who were first and second? Mozart and Beethoven?
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Nazar is pretty freaking special if you ask me and while I don't like Korchinski as a talent, I respect that he's skilled and could pan out if he fixed his weaknesses. The main point is that these guys are going to be the same age as their 2023 and 2024 picks, not 7-8 years and 4-5 years older than them and they won't help them win games as much, ultimately leading to better players.
Nazar might be something if he can survive in the NHL at his size. Already missed a year.
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I really like this trade from an asset management perspective for the Habs.
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Dach is like 3 years older than those guys, and higher upside. This logic doesn’t make sense.
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Higher upsdie ? He has the same top 6 upside as all thsoe guys.
I wonder how many times you've watched Frank Nazar play, to be able to so eloquently assess his upside.
Dach had 6 points in 9 games in his ROOKIE season in the playoffs, p;laying 17 minutes per game with a +3.
If they at least kept Dach, their approach would have made more sense.
But DeBrinbcat had 41 goals his final season there and had no playoff games to play in.
My other observation looking at this is that Chicago did not get enough for the players they traded. For the most radical pro-tankers that is a good thing, but I think it is poor management.
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Then you keep Dach (the youngest) and you get actual fair value for deBrincat. With Hagel I have less of a problem, as theyactually got more for Hagel than DeBrincat. Still, he was 23 when they traded him, just 1 year older than Suzuki.
Age wise, what Chicago did was a bit like trading Suzuki and Caufield to start a rebuild.
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Ya, exactly. Except Suzuki and Caufield are both better and theyre still not good enough for us to win a cup.
Of course two guys are not enough, but you don't trade the guys you need to be part of the new core, or else you have nothing to start.
What does Chicago have now, after they trade Toews and Kane?
Tampa knows what it takes to win, and thought Hagel at age 23 was useful enough to pay two 1st rounders ++ for him.
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Its like you have no capacity for understanding context at all. What difference do you not see between a team like that that has 3 star players over 29 years old and the Blackhawks that has ZERO star players under 34?
They have nothing because they are in a REBUILD
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I'm more inclined to believe that Chicago went scorched Earth to encourage Kane and Toews to go.
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I really liked this trade at draft day, I always been a huge Romanov fan, but I know Dach when he is been drafted 3rd overall by Chicago, i've been high on him at 2019 draft. So trading a D like Romanov when Habs have already Kaiden Guhle and Arber Xhekaj in their prospect pool, that's a fantastic asset management.
I can easily the same thing with Jordan Harris one day, when Lane Hutson will coming... i really like Harris, but if Habs can be better at another position or advance on draft day, why not?
Guhle, Xhekaj, Hutson, Engstrom, Struble, Trudeau... LD are in very good shape.
I can easily the same thing with Jordan Harris one day, when Lane Hutson will coming... i really like Harris, but if Habs can be better at another position or advance on draft day, why not?
Guhle, Xhekaj, Hutson, Engstrom, Struble, Trudeau... LD are in very good shape.
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There has never been a Stanley Cup Champion team with players exactly the same age!!
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There has never been a stanley cup champion team with core players aged more than 5 years apart.
They could have Hagel and Dach who are young enough to be part of a rebuild, and they could have Debrincat or at least have got more for him.
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