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Value of: Alexander Ovechkin

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Would be interesting to see what he would garner in a trade. You also have to look at the marketing and merchandise dollars he can bring into a franchise. They had a great season, were beat out by Pitts and is still sitting at #5 for the current most popular selling jersey on NHL.com at this very moment with Sid at 6th.
 
WrinkledPossum said:
He's never getting moved unless the Caps decide they need to rebuild, then the price would likely be 2 firsts, 2 seconds, and a bunch of prospects.

I don't think they'd take Crosby or anyone else for him. And I don't see the Pens trading Crosby for him.
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Please tell me the last time a 31 year old player brought in that return?

Reference the Gretzky or Jagr trades and please reassess your position
 
twabby said:
Carey Price is a VERY one dimensional player. Better ship him out.
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He also hasn't lead his team single-handedly to the Cup while both simultaneously scoring and preventing goals, he's a poor team player and a loser.:sarcasm:
 
Poignant Discussion said:
Please tell me the last time a 31 year old player brought in that return?

Reference the Gretzky or Jagr trades and please reassess your position
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Wow, those trades are extremely relevant. There is no Salary Cap or revenue-sharing, right? Ovechkin has also voiced his discontent with Washington's team and management and clearly wants out, right. I wonder who needs to do some reassessing.
 
RebelBully said:
Id wager that the majority of neutral fans would take Giroux over Backstrom. Both are underrated in their two way ability though.

Caps were a far deeper team the past few seasons than the Flyers, which obviously gives Backstrom a situational advantage over Giroux. Claude also doesnt have the luxury of playing with a generational first ballot hall of fame goal scorer.
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Again, you've offered nothing more than your opinion that Giroux is better. You'll forgive me if I don't value that very much (since its based on nothing objective) and don't expect many neutral fans to either. The argument that Backstrom has a situational advantage is inherently flawed (do you believe Backstrom doesn't contribute to the situational advantage you reference). Until last season it's arguable the Flyers depth was as good or better than the Caps, so I don't buy that argument for a second. Giroux also costs significantly more against the Salary Cap for similar or worse production. Also in the original trade referenced, that generational first ballot hall of fame goal scorer was included, so again easy pass from the Caps, on both counts.
 
I can't believe Capital fans would actually turn down Ovechkin for Crosby...
 
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chrisp200 said:
I can't believe Capital fans would actually turn down Ovechkin for Crosby...
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What's the point of having 3 good centers in Crosby backstrom and kuznetsov if they don't score? Notice how ovechkin does most of the scoring for the caps? If they get rid of 50 goals a year, who replaces it? Crosby sure doesn't
 
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third man in said:
Oh I see you're trying to get orpik back :sarcasm:
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Have you seen Fleury's salary. [Someone needs to program a vomit emoji] Let's keep Orpik.

Seriously though, anybody think if I started a thread like this for McDavid, Eichel, Seguin, Benn, Kane, Toews it wouldn't have been locked by the end of the first page.
 
chrisp200 said:
I can't believe Capital fans would actually turn down Ovechkin for Crosby...
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Giving up Ovechkin opens a serious hole in our roster and we don't need a 1C. We already have two of the most elite centers in the world as a one two punch. There is no benefit to trading straight up for Crosby (which the Penguins won't do anyways because Crosby is the face of their franchise). Also Ovechkin can score in many different ways and makes the games extremely fun too watch. Even if he's not scoring, he's running over opposing players and getting chances. And I'm sorry how are we smoking anything by not wanting to give up someone who is possibly the best goal scorer in nhl history, if not one of the best. To top it off Ovie is the face of the Franchise. So I"ll ask you, what are you smoking to think the Capitals would have any reason to give up such a durable, elite, exciting, and physical player who is the face of this franchise and the best goal scorer in the world.
 
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chrisp200 said:
I can't believe Capital fans would actually turn down Ovechkin for Crosby...
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We have two centers that would be the 1C on about 20 other teams in the league. Meanwhile, we don't have lots of depth at left wing. We don't need Crosby, and Ovechkin is still playing at an elite level.

Also, why the hell would the Pens want Ovechkin?
 
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Ovi is still currently (with respect to Benn, Tarasenko, and stamkos) the best pure goal scorer in the league. Nearly any possible trade scenario results in an underpayment for his skill level. I agree with most wsh fans as well, watch the games- this guy back checks and ruins dummies with his physical play. I feel bad for him as his secondary scoring always evaporates during the playoffs. He gets traded if wsh feels the need to blow it up and fill multiple needs and restock futures in one go. Oh, to those that say he hasn't won anything see: art Ross, Maurice Richard, hart trophy, multiple international medals. Get a grip you saltine crackers
 
Call me betty said:
No ****ing way. I'll take Geno every single day over Ovechkin. Give Geno some solid linemates and watch him tear up the league...
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The only thing "Geno" tears up anymore is the trainers room.

Another off season surgery and more excuses for next season.

Not saying Ovechkin for Malkin is a possibility but the Pens should move him now (I know he has a NTC) while he has some value. It won't be long before he is barely playing any games at all.

Also when Ovechkin's contract is up he will be off to Russia. Doubt he sticks around chasing a Cup.
 
StephenPeat said:
You are basing your argument on a logical fallacy. Ovechkin elevated his team but ONE MAN cannot win a team game. Ovechkin outplayed Crosby and Malkin in that series but the better team won. Twenty nine other teams failed to knock off the Pens. I guess Kane and Toews are not team players either because their team didn't win. I guess Ray Bourque was only a team player when he got to Colorado and his Boston teammates must have been bums because even the great Ray Bourque couldn't get a rise out of them. Give me a break. Crosby NOR Malkin made their teammates better in that series, they were simply better as a unit. It happens, the Caps will be back to try again next year and as a Caps fan I'll gladly take Ovechkin in exactly the same circumstances any day ever. When the team depth of the Capitals rivals that of the Pens this past season, the people attempting to denigrate Ovechkin will only concoct more excuses to satisfy themselves. It's okay, I'm satisfied that he plays on my team and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Great post. Being clutch is very overrated
 
Generational Player said:
Also when Ovechkin's contract is up he will be off to Russia. Doubt he sticks around chasing a Cup.
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We'll see, Ovechkin's also going to be very high on the all time goal scoring list by the end of his contract, so he'll have more motivation to stay. He's known for taking personal achievements pretty seriously.

On topic, McDavid is the only player in the NHL the Caps would be likely to trade AO for, to gamble on him becoming the superior player (which can happen, but's not a gven). With no Ovechkin, the Capitals LW depth is pathetic, and the defensive depth remains questionable. Maybe if Ovechkin could fetch a legit 1LW and 1st pairing LD, GMBM would consider it, but I don't see any team paying that much to upgrade the 1LW with a 31 old Ovechkin.
BigNickBjugstad said:
Great post. Being clutch is very overrated
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More of misunderstood than overrrated. Kane scoring hat tricks in game 7-s is clutch, Crosby scoring 2 assists in a series and advancing isn't.
 
Generational Player said:
Also when Ovechkin's contract is up he will be off to Russia. Doubt he sticks around chasing a Cup.
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Any talk of Ovechkin leaving after his contract is far from a slam dunk. Given his current scoring rate and durability he would be a threat to set some serious all time scoring numbers up to and including the most goals all time by the age of 40.

All of that depends on whether he can keep healthy and keep scoring in the 40 range as that contract nears its end, but if he is still scoring goals i would make a case that he stays whether they had won a cup or not.

Edit...a 1st pairing left d? Karl Alzner. You mean a 2nd pair LD
 
twabby said:
Carey Price is a VERY one dimensional player. Better ship him out.
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Strawman argument...

But just for kicks I'll bite. Carey Price is actually not one dimensional, not for a goalie anyways, as he is the best in the biz at playing the puck from back there. The Canadiens gameplan rely on this a ton in the breakout game and when he went down the team went into the toilet not only because of his saves, but because the entire gameplan is built around Price being almost like a third man back there.

Nice try though.
 
PuckSeparator said:
Strawman argument...

But just for kicks I'll bite. Carey Price is actually not one dimensional, not for a goalie anyways, as he is the best in the biz at playing the puck from back there. The Canadiens gameplan rely on this a ton in the breakout game and when he went down the team went into the toilet not only because of his saves, but because the entire gameplan is built around Price being almost like a third man back there.

Nice try though.
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So you're saying Carey Price is a good team player? Good leader? Clutch? Has a "series-defining" moment? Maybe stop while you're behind.
 
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Generational Player said:
The only thing "Geno" tears up anymore is the trainers room.

Another off season surgery and more excuses for next season.

Not saying Ovechkin for Malkin is a possibility but the Pens should move him now (I know he has a NTC) while he has some value. It won't be long before he is barely playing any games at all.

Also when Ovechkin's contract is up he will be off to Russia. Doubt he sticks around chasing a Cup.
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and Caps should trade Ovechkin while he still has value and get someone back for him that can take em past 2nd round....:laugh:
 
StephenPeat said:
So you're saying Carey Price is a good team player? Good leader? Clutch? Has a "series-defining" moment? Maybe stop while you're behind.
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Your reading comprehension is severely lacking... I responded to a post that tried to use a ridiculous strawman comparing a skater to a position that is inherently one-dimensional. That guy would have been better served by using a better example to support his farcical supposition, though.

But again, just for kicks, Carey Price is known to be the leader of the team and a great team player. He is the calming force in that locker room, this has been said countless times. There's a reason why the team had its best start in history with Price in nets, but flamed into oblivion when he went down.

Carey Price also led his team further than Ovechkin ever has in the POs. Tell me again, who's behind?
 
This is such a pointless thread. People aren't debating anything, they're just bashing Ovi. You don't see as many bash threads for other players. SMH.
 
Eazy for Kuzy said:
This is such a pointless thread. People aren't debating anything, they're just bashing Ovi. You don't see as many bash threads for other players. SMH.
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Honestly, both sides seem a bit stubborn to accept certain things...I'm happy to be an observer on this one lol.
 
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