Value of: Alexander Ovechkin

[BrianE]

Can't stand him...self fish [MOD].......i have always said he will never win a cup. Me i and mine attitude.

 

[WTFMAN99]

At 31 years old, I don't know if he can change but Ovechkin needs to learn different ways to score. Waiting for that pass across for the one-timer that everyone knows is coming is too easy to cover in the playoffs.

 

[StephenPeat]

You can take Matt Moulson for the cockiest, most overrated player in the NHL. Hate the guy.

Alex Ovechkin had 21 assists in 2016, the lowest total of his career. He had 8 Game Winning Goals. He was paid $9.54M toward the Cap.

Matt Moulson scored 21 total points in 2016. He had 8 total goals. He had 1 Game Winning Goal. He was paid 5M toward the Cap.

Jack Eichel had 56 total points in 2016, Alex Ovechkin had 50 goals. Ovechkin had more goals than the Sabres Leading and 2nd place goal scorer COMBINED. He had more assists than all but 3 Sabre players, despite (as alluded to earlier) the lowest assist total of his career.

You can have Brooks Orpik for Eichel.

If Ovechkin is overrated, I'd hope to have a whole team that is overrated.

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

 

[BrianE]

At 31 years old, I don't know if he can change but Ovechkin needs to learn different ways to score. Waiting for that pass across for the one-timer that everyone knows is coming is too easy to cover in the playoffs.

Pretty much this.

 

[StephenPeat]

How much is a 31 year old one dimensional, declining winger that fails to make his teammates better and has choked time and time again in the POs worth? Oh, and that is on a terrible contract to boot...

I think people would be shocked at the return if he were ever traded.

You should watch the game sometime, it's great. Come back after you have.

 

[StephenPeat]

Pens laugh. Cmon. Geno is a better player than ovi. He can carry crappy linemates.

For your username I would have thought you would have watched the Caps-Pens series.

 

[BrianE]

Alex Ovechkin had 21 assists in 2016, the lowest total of his career. He had 8 Game Winning Goals. He was paid $9.54M toward the Cap.

Matt Moulson scored 21 total points in 2016. He had 8 total goals. He had 1 Game Winning Goal. He was paid 5M toward the Cap.

Jack Eichel had 56 total points in 2016, Alex Ovechkin had 50 goals. Ovechkin had more goals than the Sabres Leading and 2nd place goal scorer COMBINED. He had more assists than all but 3 Sabre players, despite (as alluded to earlier) the lowest assist total of his career.

You can have Brooks Orpik for Eichel.

If Ovechkin is overrated, I'd hope to have a whole team that is overrated.

Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

He is a great player HOF and all of that but he doesn't realize that it's a team he's playing on, not by himself. Watching him is watching Blaine Stoughton, without question.

 

[PuckSeparator]

You should watch the game sometime, it's great. Come back after you have.

I have, hence the comment. Did you notice how, when everything was on the line against Pitts, Ovechkin kept getting the puck to try to hammer it time after time only for it to be blocked each and every time and quite easily mind you? Yeah, that guy fails to make his team better because he can't adapt and he's proven it time and time again.

 

[BrianE]

How much is a 31 year old one dimensional, declining winger that fails to make his teammates better and has choked time and time again in the POs worth? Oh, and that is on a terrible contract to boot...

I think people would be shocked at the return if he were ever traded.

This 100%

 

[Nakawick]

Giroux and Jake for OV and Backstrom

So Washington takes straight downgrades at both positions? For what? Laughs I suppose.

are you sure?

 

[PuckSeparator]

He's better at that one dimension than anyone else whose ever played the game of hockey. He also scored 50 goals last year, but if you continue to say he's declining eventually you'll be right at which point I'm sure it will provide you satisfaction to say, "See, I told you he was declining!!" You're also 100% wrong about choking in the playoffs. Cheers!

His most recent choke job was this year when everything was on the line against Pitts. Clutch players are able to change and adapt when things aren't going their way, Ovechkin simply tries to hammer it and hammer it some more.

He also only scores that many goals because the Caps gameplan around getting it to Ovie whenever possible, and he milks the PP for everything he can... Yes he has a lethal shot, but that lethal shot hasn't won him jack all and has never come close to either. If he doesn't change his game to be less selfish, and if the Caps don't have a plan B that is not get it to Ovie and pray he scores, it will stay that way.

 

[StephenPeat]

He is a great player HOF and all of that but he doesn't realize that it's a team he's playing on, not by himself. Watching him is watching Blaine Stoughton, without question.

You're not a Caps fan, I've never seen you in any Caps forum. I'll rely on the opinions of those of us who watch the team (you know the thing you claim to be an expert on) and I doubt you'll find a single person who watches the Caps faithfully that thinks Ovechkin is not a fantastic team player. If he has a flaw as a team player, it's that he understands that his teammates defer to him and he wants the puck on his stick....I don't fault him for it because it's not what he does or is supposed to do but the suggestion that he is not a team player or that he is incapable of playing a team game is wrong and ignorant. It's not his fault that he is the shooter, he's done his part and made the players around him and the team better. The basic makeup of the team has been consistently flawed (as it is for 29 teams every year) but the Caps haven't been as good as they have been for as long as they have been IN SPITE of Ovechkin.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

We've officially reached the dog days of summer, woof.

 

[bigbabybuda]

I honestly wonder if people putting down the game of probably the greatest goal scorer ever to play realize how stupid they sound. A man who I don't remember one teammate ever having a bad word to say about him and who has won the Ted Lindsay Award on 3 occasions. [MOD]

 

[StephenPeat]

are you sure?

I'm not really sure what your argument is but let's entertain the hypothetical that Giroux at his best is slightly better than Backstrom, Backstrom is much more consistent and cheaper against the Cap. Ovechkin for Voracek is laughably bad, sure you save money but the difference is between Good and Absolutely ELITE. The trade as proposed is terrible for Wsh.

 

[StephenPeat]

His most recent choke job was this year when everything was on the line against Pitts. Clutch players are able to change and adapt when things aren't going their way, Ovechkin simply tries to hammer it and hammer it some more.

He also only scores that many goals because the Caps gameplan around getting it to Ovie whenever possible, and he milks the PP for everything he can... Yes he has a lethal shot, but that lethal shot hasn't won him jack all and has never come close to either. If he doesn't change his game to be less selfish, and if the Caps don't have a plan B that is not get it to Ovie and pray he scores, it will stay that way.

You are basing your argument on a logical fallacy. Ovechkin elevated his team but ONE MAN cannot win a team game. Ovechkin outplayed Crosby and Malkin in that series but the better team won. Twenty nine other teams failed to knock off the Pens. I guess Kane and Toews are not team players either because their team didn't win. I guess Ray Bourque was only a team player when he got to Colorado and his Boston teammates must have been bums because even the great Ray Bourque couldn't get a rise out of them. Give me a break. Crosby NOR Malkin made their teammates better in that series, they were simply better as a unit. It happens, the Caps will be back to try again next year and as a Caps fan I'll gladly take Ovechkin in exactly the same circumstances any day ever. When the team depth of the Capitals rivals that of the Pens this past season, the people attempting to denigrate Ovechkin will only concoct more excuses to satisfy themselves. It's okay, I'm satisfied that he plays on my team and I wouldn't have it any other way.

 

[The Alien]

Canucks offer

Bo horvat
Top prospects
Top draft picks
Cash

Canucks would be awesome with him. Ovie and the Sedins! It would hurt to lose Bo. Top shelf proposal. Maybe add some pluses?

 

[Carlzner]

are you sure?

Backstrom made Giroux his ***** in the 1st round

Ovi vs Jake Voracek doesn't even deserve an argument because of how stupid it is.

 

[Lennu32]

I'd say about three fiddy.

 

[PuckSeparator]

You are basing your argument on a logical fallacy. Ovechkin elevated his team but ONE MAN cannot win a team game. Ovechkin outplayed Crosby and Malkin in that series but the better team won. Twenty nine other teams failed to knock off the Pens. I guess Kane and Toews are not team players either because their team didn't win. I guess Ray Bourque was only a team player when he got to Colorado and his Boston teammates must have been bums because even the great Ray Bourque couldn't get a rise out of them. Give me a break. Crosby NOR Malkin made their teammates better in that series, they were simply better as a unit. It happens, the Caps will be back to try again next year and as a Caps fan I'll gladly take Ovechkin in exactly the same circumstances any day ever. When the team depth of the Capitals rivals that of the Pens this past season, the people attempting to denigrate Ovechkin will only concoct more excuses to satisfy themselves. It's okay, I'm satisfied that he plays on my team and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Ovechkin might have outplayed Sid and Malkin in that series but he has yet to have a defining series, one that you can point to to say that he was great and came up clutch. All the great players have it, Crosby and Malkin have lots of it, Ovie does not.

Yes it's a team game, but Ovechkin also played for the best and most dominant team last season, and it was not really even close. Fact is, Ovechkin and the Caps choked that series as they were heavily favoured, but nice to know now that the Caps were complete underdogs.... Another fact is that when it was all on the line Ovechkin proved once again what a one trick pony he is and was easily shut down. It's all nice to be a regular season super hero but it's those specific moments that distinguish the legends from the pretenders. Right now, Ovechkin is still very much a pretender. If he couldn't get it done with a powerhouse team last season, not exactly sure what kind of team he's going to be able to do it on...

 

[BoHorvat 53]

You are basing your argument on a logical fallacy. Ovechkin elevated his team but ONE MAN cannot win a team game. Ovechkin outplayed Crosby and Malkin in that series but the better team won. Twenty nine other teams failed to knock off the Pens. I guess Kane and Toews are not team players either because their team didn't win. I guess Ray Bourque was only a team player when he got to Colorado and his Boston teammates must have been bums because even the great Ray Bourque couldn't get a rise out of them. Give me a break. Crosby NOR Malkin made their teammates better in that series, they were simply better as a unit. It happens, the Caps will be back to try again next year and as a Caps fan I'll gladly take Ovechkin in exactly the same circumstances any day ever. When the team depth of the Capitals rivals that of the Pens this past season, the people attempting to denigrate Ovechkin will only concoct more excuses to satisfy themselves. It's okay, I'm satisfied that he plays on my team and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Correction: 4 teams failed to knock off the Penguins.

 

[third man in]

Ovechkin did his job in the playoffs. Those saying he choked I don't value your narrow minded opinions anyway. Anyone who watches the Pens series knows that Kuznetsov, Burakovsky, and the 3rd and 4th didn't get it done. Anyway any Ovechkin thread inevitably turns to a bash thread rather quickly.

 

[BeautiPhil]

How exactly did Ovechkin choke in the playoffs? It was his fault that the Caps bottom 6 couldnt score at all? His fault that Kuznetsov was straight garbage? That Orpik, Weber, Schmidt and the like are defensive pylons?

Ovechkin can't carry a team alone to the Cup. He needs some help from the rest of the team. He, Oshie, Holtby and the Carlson-Alzner pairing were the only ones who played great that series. The depth guys and their centers failed them.

 

[Nakawick]

are you sure?

I'm not really sure what your argument is but let's entertain the hypothetical that Giroux at his best is slightly better than Backstrom, Backstrom is much more consistent and cheaper against the Cap. Ovechkin for Voracek is laughably bad, sure you save money but the difference is between Good and Absolutely ELITE. The trade as proposed is terrible for Wsh.

Well, first you said that it would be a straight downgrade, I asked if you were sure, you then seemed to say that Giroux is slightly better than Backstrom, which didn't sound quite as convincing as "straight downgrade", and also which I don't think is hypothetical at all. If I had to pick one or the other, I pick Giroux without hesitation.
No argument on OV better than Jake, although Jake is 5 years younger.

I mean, middle of July on the trade board thread titled Alexander Ovechkin, can't take things too seriously.

 

[DearDiary]

Ovechkin for Crosby

straight up

Crosby is better offensively, defensively and even has the advantage in Hawks fans intangibles. He's also cheaper, 2 years younger and plays the significantly more valuable position. Doesn't need elite linemates either, Ovechkin has trouble putting up points with Backstrom and Oshie

As good as Ovechkin has been, he's still 3rd in career ppg behind Crosby and Malkin. That gap looks like it will only increase.