Player Discussion Alex Newhook

[Bacchus1]

I am not expecting much from Newhook when he comes back. I have seen too many players with a high ankle strain who take a very long time after returning from injury to return to full form.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Every day a NFL football player tears their ACL making a cut into grass/turf.. yet this guy is proclaiming Dach can't play because his knee got hyper-extended by a 6'7 guy pushing him over the boards and giving his body nowhere to twist.

The current injury didn't look like much to me. And neither did the play in the pre tournament WJC game that he hurt his wrist on. The point is that both he and his brother suffered several different injuries early in their career. That, like in Monahan's case, usually means that they are fragile and possibly unlucky.
And they might not be doing enough to avoid big hits.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Newhook was doing well before his injury. He had 4 g and 6 pts in his last 7 games

 

[WeThreeKings]

Newhook was doing well before his injury. He had 4 g and 6 pts in his last 7 games

He's got great speed and he's got a great shot. That's something the team needed more of so I think the Chiarot + 2nd for him was a great move.

 

[Andy]

He's got great speed and he's got a great shot. That's something the team needed more of so I think the Chiarot + 2nd for him was a great move.

Would love to see Newhook shoot more. That release and puck velocity is pretty high end. I was surprised that he likes to pass more than shoot. Everytime he would launch the puck, he'd catch my by surprise because his snap is lightning fast and he doesn't need much space to fire it off.

I really hope they push him.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

I'd bet on him, even more than Dach, at having a true break out season next year. If healthy, he's going to flirt with a ppg season. Book it

Don’t know if he’s quite a ppg/near ppg player but I do think people sell his upside short. He’s got star like pedigree.

A few people lowball our kids’ upsides than it becomes gospel because we’re not allowed to have nice things. Wouldn’t be that surprised if he’s 70+ or thereabouts. Especially if he’s riding shotgun with a healthy Dach.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

Don’t know if he’s quite a ppg/near ppg player but I do think people sell his upside short. He’s got star like pedigree.

A few people lowball our kids’ upsides than it becomes gospel because we’re not allowed to have nice things. Wouldn’t be that surprised if he’s 70+ or thereabouts. Especially if he’s riding shotgun with a healthy Dach.

To me his potential is a 55-65 point winger that can play center in pinch. He may flirt with higher in his peak.

Still an excellent value for what we traded to get him.

 

[Tyson]

Built like Mark Recchi with more speed. This kid has good potential.

 

[26Mats]

To me his potential is a 55-65 point winger that can play center in pinch. He may flirt with higher in his peak.

Still an excellent value for what we traded to get him.

If, given the way the salary cap works and the timing of players hitting free agency, he's on our 3rd line in his prime, we should be in good shape.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Demidov - Dach - Kakko
Newhook - Monahan - Roy
Heineman - Beck - Ylonen/RHP
Mesar

But Newhook could be a great 2nd line winger also, 25-30 goals, 55 - 70 points.

 

[schwang26]

If, given the way the salary cap works and the timing of players hitting free agency, he's on our 3rd line in his prime, we should be in good shape.

Caufield - Suzuki - Slaf
Demidov - Dach - Kakko
Newhook - Monahan - Roy
Heineman - Beck - Ylonen/RHP
Mesar

But Newhook could be a great 2nd line winger also, 25-30 goals, 55 - 70 points.

Monahan????

 

[26Mats]

Monahan????

Hoping he re-signs in the summer, or along the way we get someone as good as him as the 3c. I.e. not Dvo, Evan's, and I think Beck. Maybe Mesar, but because of his size I think he'll be a winger.

 

[Miller Time]

Would love to see Newhook shoot more. That release and puck velocity is pretty high end. I was surprised that he likes to pass more than shoot. Everytime he would launch the puck, he'd catch my by surprise because his snap is lightning fast and he doesn't need much space to fire it off.

I really hope they push him.

This is partly why I'm bullish on his ceiling...

As much as he got more minutes/bigger role here, he's still just 22-23, and was stepping into a new team/city/coaches... And saw his pre-season chemistry blow up with Dach going down in game 2.

He was looking more and more dangerous before he got hurt... 4 goals in his last 10 games.

As he gains confidence & familiarity with this group & ymthese coaches, I think we'll see him assert himself more & more. He's got the tools & game sense to be a game breaker. Won't be surprised in the least if he's scoring 35+ in a full healthy season sooner than later

 

[Tyson]

This is partly why I'm bullish on his ceiling...

As much as he got more minutes/bigger role here, he's still just 22-23, and was stepping into a new team/city/coaches... And saw his pre-season chemistry blow up with Dach going down in game 2.

He was looking more and more dangerous before he got hurt... 4 goals in his last 10 games.

As he gains confidence & familiarity with this group & ymthese coaches, I think we'll see him assert himself more & more. He's got the tools & game sense to be a game breaker. Won't be surprised in the least if he's scoring 35+ in a full healthy season sooner than later

He has the skill and speed to do it

 

[26Mats]

He has the skill and speed to do it

I'm hoping he can get to a Maxim Afinogenov level.

I think he'll be good playing with good players like Dach, Roy, Slaf, etc... More a complimentary offensive players, but he can create on his own too.

 

[montreal]

Don’t know if he’s quite a ppg/near ppg player but I do think people sell his upside short. He’s got star like pedigree.

A few people lowball our kids’ upsides than it becomes gospel because we’re not allowed to have nice things. Wouldn’t be that surprised if he’s 70+ or thereabouts. Especially if he’s riding shotgun with a healthy Dach.

The Habs haven't earned any trust though, if you go back to the '99 draft the Habs have had all of just 2 picks reach 500 points in the NHL, Pac and Pleks. Even if you drop it to 400 pts, you only add 2 more in Subban and Gallagher.

So what's more likely is Hab fans like myself have been overrating our kids upside more then anything. But of course i'm a huge, huge believer in proper development and coaching and the Habs clearly have been dismal for the most part of the past 30 years at all 3 of drafting, development and coaching though I really think MSL is the right guy for now and finally a step in a different direction then they had done the previous 20+ years with the same mold of HC's.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

The Habs haven't earned any trust though, if you go back to the '99 draft the Habs have had all of just 2 picks reach 500 points in the NHL, Pac and Pleks. Even if you drop it to 400 pts, you only add 2 more in Subban and Gallagher.

So what's more likely is Hab fans like myself have been overrating our kids upside more then anything. But of course i'm a huge, huge believer in proper development and coaching and the Habs clearly have been dismal for the most part of the past 30 years at all 3 of drafting, development and coaching though I really think MSL is the right guy for now and finally a step in a different direction then they had done the previous 20+ years with the same mold of HC's.

Yeah but looking at players upsides through the lens of ptsd can’t go on in perpetuity.

If Newhook has the pedigree of a 60-70 point player on any other team (arguably)
I’m not going to discount him 15 or so points just because he’s a Hab.

 

[montreal]

Yeah but looking at players upsides through the lens of ptsd can’t go on in perpetuity.

if they make the right choices it won't and if they don't then it will until they fix it. It's that simple.

 

[LaP]

The Habs haven't earned any trust though, if you go back to the '99 draft the Habs have had all of just 2 picks reach 500 points in the NHL, Pac and Pleks. Even if you drop it to 400 pts, you only add 2 more in Subban and Gallagher.

So what's more likely is Hab fans like myself have been overrating our kids upside more then anything. But of course i'm a huge, huge believer in proper development and coaching and the Habs clearly have been dismal for the most part of the past 30 years at all 3 of drafting, development and coaching though I really think MSL is the right guy for now and finally a step in a different direction then they had done the previous 20+ years with the same mold of HC's.

You forgot one player. Streit did 434 points.

Dunno i feel like a RNG would have done better than 5 players. So to me it point to a bigger problem than just drafting.

 

[montreal]

You forgot one player. Streit did 434 points.

Dunno i feel like a RNG would have done better than 5 players. So to me it point to a bigger problem than just drafting.

i've always said that while there was lots of blame to go around, I felt MB/Molson were the biggest issue then Timmins as I think the development was the worst i've ever seeen under MB then at any time I can recall.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

if they make the right choices it won't and if they don't then it will until they fix it. It's that simple.

People are more than welcome too obviously.

I think we’re past that. Maybe not. We have our own curse like the Laffs.

But even then people are attaching point estimates that made more sense 10 years ago or so. Being a PPG back then you’re in the top 10 scoring probably. Now? Much lower.

People can attach the Hab discount to our players’ projections if they want. I feel confident we’re allowed to have nice things again.

 

[montreal]

People are more than welcome too obviously.

I think we’re past that. Maybe not. We have our own curse like the Laffs.

But even then people are attaching point estimates that made more sense 10 years ago or so. Being a PPG back then you’re in the top 10 scoring probably. Now? Much lower.

People can attach the Hab discount to our players’ projections if they want. I feel confident we’re allowed to have nice things again.

there's no way to know that though. Reinbacher could end up the next Josi or a nothing burger, who knows if Slaf can be a 70+ pt player or not. Hutson, Beck, Fowler, Konyuskov, Mailloux, etc... lots of NHLers I'm expecting but how good will they be is way, way too early for anyone to know to what extent it will finally lead to success. Many of the same scouts that have been here for years now so we'll see.

 

[sampollock]

OK capt hook let's go

 

[WeThreeKings]

Officially back with Condotta sent to the AHL.

 

[26Mats]

there's no way to know that though. Reinbacher could end up the next Josi or a nothing burger, who knows if Slaf can be a 70+ pt player or not. Hutson, Beck, Fowler, Konyuskov, Mailloux, etc... lots of NHLers I'm expecting but how good will they be is way, way too early for anyone to know to what extent it will finally lead to success. Many of the same scouts that have been here for years now so we'll see.

And even if a lot of our prospects pan out, there won't be room for all of them in montreal.

It will be interesting to see if in fact Hugjes will be able to turn 4 quarters into a dollar.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

there's no way to know that though. Reinbacher could end up the next Josi or a nothing burger, who knows if Slaf can be a 70+ pt player or not. Hutson, Beck, Fowler, Konyuskov, Mailloux, etc... lots of NHLers I'm expecting but how good will they be is way, way too early for anyone to know to what extent it will finally lead to success. Many of the same scouts that have been here for years now so we'll see.

Well of course you can’t know where players will end up. But you can project. Which is what this board is about