Player Discussion Alex Newhook

[salbutera]

There's a reason we drafted 1 OA two years ago and 5 OA last year. Until we amp up our team speed we will remain irrelevant, except at the draft. Newhook is a good step in the right direction.

Historical records of man games lost due to injury played a significant role.

 

[Rapala]

Newhook’s speed will create more time and space for his lesser skating linemates akin to the way a wide receiver in football with elite speed can blow the top off a defence and create options for his offence. Newhook’s superior skating ability will have to be respected by opposing teams: something that very few of our other players can establish.

This is it in a nutshell. Newhook's success may very well depend on his ability to make the simple play and go. The key to players like Suzuki and Dach for that matter is to get them the puck sooner than later and find space. Anderson couldn't do that with Nick Suzuki and his results were spotty. Someone posted a brief montage of Newhook goals. The first three examples had him blowing by Dmen. Which led me to quip about those who said he isn't fast.

 

[Rapala]

Fair enough.

I don’t think Suzuki created separation or beat that defensemen on speed. It was a great goal there’s no doubt about that, but look at how many strides it took him to reach max speed.

For Caufield, I don’t think McNabb expected that lob from, it wasn’t a play based on speed alone. Also, McNabb isn’t known for his stellar agility.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Caufield or Suzuki are bad skater. I think they are both average, but they aren’t speed merchant and they lack the explosiveness to create that separation.

That’s something Anderson and Newhook have.

And it’s not about winning, you’re completely entitled to you opinion brother. I’m just sharing my perspective.

To be fair Caufield is quick and Suzuki is sneaky fast. Every year I hope Suzuki has gained that quick first step it would make him that much more dangerous. But having both the acceleration out of the blocks and the speed is in a different league. The stat that intrigues me with Newhook is his speed rating of top 25 while carrying the puck. Our PP could use someone like that driving the line. Defenders tend to backoff when the speed merchants are coming at them full tilt.

 

[Scriptor]

This is it in a nutshell. Newhook's success may very well depend on his ability to make the simple play and go. The key to players like Suzuki and Dach for that matter is to get them the puck sooner than later and find space. Anderson couldn't do that with Nick Suzuki and his results were spotty. Someone posted a brief montage of Newhook goals. The first three examples had him blowing by Dmen. Which led me to quip about those who said he isn't fast.

Newhook's strength is gaining the O-zone at high speed. It helps breakdown opposing D structures and forces reactionary moves that lead to errors that can be exploited.

Under Bednar, Newhook was asked to dump and chase, using a forechecking style, rather. It simply doesn't play to Newhook's strengths.

The assumption is that MSL's onus on reads and making plays based on those will play to Newhook's strengths, this time around.

Let's hope so, because that could lead to a transformed Newhook as a Hab and a steal of a trade for Hughes!

 

[KevSkillz4]

Can't wait to see him! He have great stats in NCAA and always considering top 10-15 pick before the 2019 draft. He have certainly the talent to surprise people..

Dach, Caufield and Newhook are all comes from a solid draft. I believe that MSL can do the same thing with Newhook than he did with Dach and Caufield !

 

[HuGort]

What do you think full time young NHL players goes for lol we gave up a sherback and a delarose

We paid full blown retail for Newhook.

We gave up a first and early second in what the draft pundits of this board were calling the best draft ever all last season. Everybody knows those picks will be better than Beck and Hutson. Plus another decent prospect.

 

[RationalExpectations]

We paid full blown retail for Newhook.

We gave up a first and early second in what the draft pundits of this board were calling the best draft ever all last season. Everybody knows those picks will be better than Beck and Hutson. Plus another decent prospect.

Very questionable that Gauthier and Gulyayev are better than Beck or Hutson. Let us see what happens this year before talking ?

I agree the price is steep. However, 31OA+37OA is equivalent to what ? 21 OA ? Newhook was taken 16 OA in what is considered a very deep draft too, right ? COL has spent 4 years developping him and the Habs are taking over when he enters in his prime, not too shabby.

I liked him at the time of the draft, and he obviously does have potential, let s seet if MTL can unlock it.

 

[Redux91]

Drouin was quick? Maybe 5 years ago lmao

It's amazing what wrist injuries does to a guy eh lol

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Lazy, lying Fukc. You're the one who brought it up and refuse to explain it. What is your problem?

obvious troll username, report + ignore + move on

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

So, your injury from the get-go is that he was a nutcase, which affected his speed on skates?

It's okay not to like a player -- despise him, even -- but you aren't even addressing the original question.

I don't have a problem with you, just your uncooperative position when asked an innocent, friendly question at first.

Too bad. That just speaks to you, not Drouin or anything else.

ChesterNimitz, who might not like Drouin at all, either, at least suggested that it didn't work for Drouin because of a lack of desire, not necessarily a lack of speed.

That makes for conversation, not, "Go look for yourself!" when you're the one bringing up the point. That's just a big 'F' You!

If you come on Fan (conversation) boards, learn to converse., please.

If you can't be polite, at least, it will trigger responses like mine.

I agree with the sentiment that posters generally come here (and on other fan boards) for the pleasure of reading about takes on their team.

Please contribute to a pleasurable environment.

I'm moving on from this as it has already wasted enough of my time.

Looking forward to reading other takes on other topics from you. Hey, I might even ask you to elaborate on your position again.

Generally speaking, it would be nice if you would, instead of basically telling me to F off.

Drouin is an absolute wasteman dude he's not worth all this text he's pure dog water. We move on . Guys is pure ass though it's not even funny I can't imagine having any type of fandom for a scrub like Drouin nope couldn't be me

 

[HuGort]

On Marinaro last night they said Marty not considering tapes on Newhook. Because don't know environment he was in .

Going to treat Newhook same as Dach. MSL said Last year he built a relationship with Dach first, and didn’t overcoach him. Wanted Dach to trust him so when they talked hockey - the trust was already there. He’ll do the same with Newhook.

 

[MadMslm]

On Marinaro last night they said Marty not considering tapes on Newhook. Because don't know environment he was in .

Going to treat Newhook same as Dach. MSL said Last year he built a relationship with Dach first, and didn’t overcoach him. Wanted Dach to trust him so when they talked hockey - the trust was already there. He’ll do the same with Newhook.

He said the same thing with Gurianov, that he didn’t watch any clip so he wouldn’t have any pre-existent assumptions or bias.

That didn’t work out well in the end, which wasn’t a loss in any way. Obviously, it doesn’t mean that it won’t work with Newhook, hopefully they give him every opportunity to succeed in an offensive role.

There is also a question of puck handling at high speed.

Suzuki and Caufield both do that and can appear quicker with the puck on their stick than others, all without actually being speed demons, by any stretch.

It's not just about pure speed.

Hutson isn't a speed demon either, but his ability to shift an opposing D like they were grounded in cement, and the resulting bursts of acceleration, without a high top end speed, still beats opposing Ds.

I think that HuGo claiming they were looking to add players with speed and skill should have been rephrased as adding players with speed OR skill?

Agreed. I don’t question Suzuki’s or Caufield’s ability with the puck.

I’ll always be impressed how many battles for the puck Suzuki wins after trailing behind. He’s really good at positioning his body and stick to end up on the right side of the puck.

That scenario was about the team being fast, which individually most forwards on this team aren’t.

The ability of all those young defensemen to skate with the puck and perform breakout passes help with that notion of speed.

To be fair Caufield is quick and Suzuki is sneaky fast. Every year I hope Suzuki has gained that quick first step it would make him that much more dangerous. But having both the acceleration out of the blocks and the speed is in a different league. The stat that intrigues me with Newhook is his speed rating of top 25 while carrying the puck. Our PP could use someone like that driving the line. Defenders tend to backoff when the speed merchants are coming at them full tilt.

They both lack explosiveness. They aren’t slow by any means, but the amount of time they take to hit their stop speed is far from elite. Most players in the league will reach high speed if they have have space and distance.

Neither do they need to be. There’s no worry to have about both players. Suzuki is incredibly crafty, and his ability to come out with the puck even when he gets second on the puck is attributed to his body work and smarts. Caufield has an elite shot, even with his lack of explosiveness defensemen have to respect his ability to score.

Having guys like Anderson and Newhook on different lines will definitely help. Opposing players will have to be aware on the ice if not it will create multiple chances on the rush. Everyone in the league knows Anderson’s style, he’s still able to get breakaways every game because of how fast he reaches that top speed.

Again, I’m no fan of Newhook, but that’s definitely an aspect of his game that will help this forward group. With the likes of Monahan, Dvorak, Gallagher, Armia and others, this is a welcome change in term of pace.

 

[HuGort]

He said the same thing with Gurianov, that he didn’t watch any clip so he wouldn’t have any pre-existent assumptions or bias.

That didn’t work out well in the end, which wasn’t a loss in any way. Obviously, it doesn’t mean that it won’t work with Newhook, hopefully they give him every opportunity to succeed in an offensive role.



Agreed. I don’t question Suzuki’s or Caufield’s ability with the puck.

I’ll always be impressed how many battles for the puck Suzuki wins after trailing behind. He’s really good at positioning his body and stick to end up on the right side of the puck.

That scenario was about the team being fast, which individually most forwards on this team aren’t.

The ability of all those young defensemen to skate with the puck and perform breakout passes help with that notion of speed.



They both lack explosiveness. They aren’t slow by any means, but the amount of time they take to hit their stop speed is far from elite. Most players in the league will reach high speed if they have have space and distance.

Neither do they need to be. There’s no worry to have about both players. Suzuki is incredibly crafty, and his ability to come out with the puck even when he gets second on the puck is attributed to his body work and smarts. Caufield has an elite shot, even with his lack of explosiveness defensemen have to respect his ability to score.

Having guys like Anderson and Newhook on different lines will definitely help. Opposing players will have to be aware on the ice if not it will create multiple chances on the rush. Everyone in the league knows Anderson’s style, he’s still able to get breakaways every game because of how fast he reaches that top speed.

Again, I’m no fan of Newhook, but that’s definitely an aspect of his game that will help this forward group. With the likes of Monahan, Dvorak, Gallagher, Armia and others, this is a welcome change in term of pace.

Dach probably ready to break out anyway. Many struggle first 2 or 3 years

 

[Scriptor]

It's amazing what wrist injuries does to a guy eh lol

Just ask Dach.

 

[Rapala]

I know it's only a scrimmage but for all those with negative comments about Alex Newhook feel free to KMA. I'm particularly thankful to those Av's fans who felt the need to come here and give us such glowing feedback.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Can't wait to see him! He have great stats in NCAA and always considering top 10-15 pick before the 2019 draft. He have certainly the talent to surprise people..

Dach, Caufield and Newhook are all comes from a solid draft. I believe that MSL can do the same thing with Newhook than he did with Dach and Caufield !

I think we can get more out of Newhook but how much more? Not sure. I like to think he breaks out like Dach and Caufield but my gut says he won't. Gains will happen with more ice time/opportunity but modest gains. That's my level of expectation today

Who Newhook plays with and if he plays center or wing are factors. I do think he helps our puck possession on the PP though.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

I know it's only a scrimmage but for all those with negative comments about Alex Newhook feel free to KMA. I'm particularly thankful to those Av's fans who felt the need to come here and give us such a glowing feedback.

I wasn't one of them. So I'll skip this line if you don't mind. I had a feeling that Newhook was a buy-low opportunity similar to Dach to a degree. I know what the odds are against a late first or second succeeding in the NHL. It struck me as a high-percentage play.

 

[26Mats]

I think we can get more out of Newhook but how much more? Not sure. I like to think he breaks out like Dach and Caufield but my gut says he won't. Gains will happen with more ice time/opportunity but modest gains. That's my level of expectation today

Who Newhook plays with and if he plays center or wing are factors. I do think he helps our puck possession on the PP though.

I'd be curious to see RHP - Newhook - Anderson if the plan is to play Newhook at center.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd be curious to see RHP - Newhook - Anderson if the plan is to play Newhook at center.

Not me. I think Newhook needs to be with Dach or Monahan. Could be with Suzuki/Caufield but I have Anderson with them. I think we get the best out of Anderson this way.

Who's the responsible one on the RHP / Newhook / Anderson line? I think we would be asking too much from Newhook in the 200' game.

Trying to create the line-ups are difficult. So many different options we can try

 

[Rapala]

I wasn't one of them. So I'll skip this line if you don't mind. I had a feeling that Newhook was a buy-low opportunity similar to Dach to a degree. I know what the odds are against a late first or second succeeding in the NHL. It struck me as a high-percentage play.

You certainly weren't one of them. I just can't get my head around people writing off this deal. Not even considering what Newhook did accomplish in two seasons on a SC championship calibre team. Acting as if it was nothing.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You certainly weren't one of them. I just can't get my head around people writing off this deal. Not even considering what Newhook did accomplish in two seasons on a SC championship calibre team. Acting as if it was nothing.

Becomes Sakic's first trade he looses? Hope so. I know I liked when we traded for Newhook but I was not as excited as when we picked up Dach. There is a difference there for me.

Newhook did get a shot at 2C with Rantanen last season. Yeah, it was cup contender expectations but it didn't work out as well as the Avs hoped. With the Habs, he's going to clearly get more offensive usage.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Not me. I think Newhook needs to be with Dach or Monahan. Could be with Suzuki/Caufield but I have Anderson with them. I think we get the best out of Anderson this way.

Who's the responsible one on the RHP / Newhook / Anderson line? I think we would be asking too much from Newhook in the 200' game.

Trying to create the line-ups are difficult. So many different options we can try

Why does it matter about getting the best out of Anderson? To trade him? He will hold back Suzuki/Caufield.

 

[Habs Halifax]

why does it matter about getting the best out of Anderson? To trade him? He will hold back Suzuki/Caufield.

Anderson had his best numbers last year playing with Suzuki at the 2nd half. Did you watch the games?

We can't trade him for value now. Flat cap and he has to improve his numbers and be more consistent for a full season. How you do that is putting him in a stable spot. Something we have not done with him yet. Improved numbers with a higher cap is when we possibly trade him. For now, I'm happy to have him.

I don't agree one bit he will hold back Suzuki/Caufield. There is clear evidence of improved numbers with Anderson when he actually plays with talent.

 

[WeThreeKings]

People who said he wasn't fast.

The amount of disinformation people will believe on players these days.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

What do you think full time young NHL players goes for lol we gave up a sherback and a delarose

Yes. Draft picks are ALWAYS over valued on hfboards.