Confirmed with Link: Alex Newhook for 31st, 37th and Fairbrother

[Naslund]

Not against the deal by the way. I wanted Newhook a lot in 2019. And I think that opportunities could help him a lot. Just saying it sucks for the draft show that it is. But it's just that. If Newhook gets us 55 points next year, nobody will remember the draft show....

I really hope though that they do the right think at pick 5.

They will do the right thing and pick up Leonard.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Given the timing, Hughes pulled this trade as some kind of consolation prize.

It's not unusual for deal makers to pull another deal thinking they accomplished something. Unfortunately, the second deal comes with blinders and ego...and more importantly, a distraction from other failed deal.

Not a big Hughes supporter and now, the shine is wearing off for me.

As for Newhook....

We got a TON of Newhooks on the way so other then a consolation prize, why bother? He's shown to be a soft 30 pointer so far and that is not what we need to take us into contender neighborhood.

Did we really have to give up three assets to get at best, a soft mid level center when we have a ton of them and likely drafting one tomorrow?

A ton of Newhooks on the way ? Other than Beck, none of our forward prospects project as sure fire or probable top six players. The strength of our prospect pool is on defence. Having Newhook in our system changes that dynamic.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

So if Newhook pans out as a 20-25g 65-70pt player you think that a late 1st and a 2nd is still an overpayment?

He had a sophomore slump but he can be a very good 3C that puts up 20G/50-60pts which would be very elite for a 3C

 

[Runner77]

A ton of Newhooks on the way ? Other than Beck, none of our forward prospects project as sure fire or probable top six players. The strength of our prospect pool is on defence. Having Newhook in our system changes that dynamic.

Changes by how much? It’s a start but we have several other organizational imbalances to improve upon. I’d wait and see how else the offensive forward contingent is altered before being sold that a new dynamic is at play.

Doesn’t hurt to have an offensive-minded coach, though.

 

[LaP]

Feels a bit like the Dvorak deal. Late 1st and early 2nd for a middle six center. The only good part is there's the possibility Newhook has room to grow with a bigger role. Newhook is likely better than anything the Habs could have drafted with the 31st pick, unfortunate they had to give up #37 as well though.

Newhook is younger though.

Dvorak was "what you see is what you get" at this point of his career. Dvorak was 25 when we acquired him. There's always the late blomer believers i mean we can't escape them sadly but the reality is most players at 26 are done developing and Dvorak was going to hit 26 the next season after we acquired him. Late bloomers are the exception not the norm and you should not make a trade expecting it to happen and at the price we paid for Dvorak he had to be a late bloomer to be a good trade.

Newhook is younger at 22 and could still develop there's no question about it. I'm not a big fan personally. But the sample size is not massive. I've seen him at the u20, during playoffs and a few times in the regular seasons. He never looked me as a gamers and a guy you should go to war with to me. I would be more fine with the trade had the 2nd round pick been Colorado's own 2nd round pick next year that we got in the Lehkonen trade. But as i always do i'll give Newhook the chance to prove me wrong but at the price we paid he MUST develop at minimum into a 25-30/50-55 (in 82 games) 2nd line player both in the regular season and in the playoffs (not Ryder or Tatah 2.0).

He had a sophomore slump but he can be a very good 3C that puts up 20G/50-60pts which would be very elite for a 3C

That's too much for a 3rd line center unless he's a perennial selke nominee for the next 10 years. Average 3rd line centers are easy to find and a rebuilding team should not pay that price for one. He'll need to be more than that for this trade to be worth it. BTW 3rd line centers don't do 60 points not enough TOI. 40 points is about the max a 3rd line player will do unless he's used on the 2nd line which in reality make him a 2nd line player a.k.a The Philip Danault case.

 

[Vachon23]

Even after Caufield fell to us?

Yes massive mistake by myself

 

[26Mats]

Newhook is younger though.

Dvorak was "what you see is what you get" at this point of his career. Dvorak was 25 when we acquired him. There's always the late blomer believers i mean we can't escape them sadly but the reality is most players at 26 are done developing and Dvorak was going to hit 26 the next season after we acquired him. Late bloomers are the exception not the norm and you should not make a trade expecting it to happen and at the price we paid for Dvorak he had to be a late bloomer to be a good trade.

Newhook is younger at 22 and could still develop there's no question about it. I'm not a big fan personally. But the sample size is not massive. I've seen him at the u20, during playoffs and a few times in the regular seasons. He never stroke me as a gamers and a guy you should go to war with. I would be more fine with the trade had the 2nd round pick been Colorado's own 2nd round pick next year that we got in the Lehkonen trade. But as i always do i'll give Newhook the chance to prove me wrong but at the price we paid he MUST develop at minimum into a 25/50 (in 82 games) 2nd line player both in the regular season and in the playoffs (not Ryder or Tatah 2.0).


That's too much for a 3rd line center unless he's a perennial selke nominee.

Later bloomers are the exception doesn't mean they're not possible, as we see with Chandler Stephenson.

What I see from Dvo is that he's not a dynamic center. But I think he has the offensive and defensive tools to be a useful top 9 winger. He scored at a pace of 48 points over 82 games his first year with us. I think he could top that playing on the wing with good offensive players.

 

[Runner77]

I've seen him at the u20, during playoffs and a few times in the regular seasons. He never stroke me …

You’re sure you’re on the right forum for that?

It’s Newhook, not NewHooker.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

Newhook is younger though.

Dvorak was "what you see is what you get" at this point of his career. Dvorak was 25 when we acquired him. There's always the late blomer believers i mean we can't escape them sadly but the reality is most players at 26 are done developing and Dvorak was going to hit 26 the next season after we acquired him. Late bloomers are the exception not the norm and you should not make a trade expecting it to happen and at the price we paid for Dvorak he had to be a late bloomer to be a good trade.

Newhook is younger at 22 and could still develop there's no question about it. I'm not a big fan personally. But the sample size is not massive. I've seen him at the u20, during playoffs and a few times in the regular seasons. He never stroke me as a gamers and a guy you should go to war with. I would be more fine with the trade had the 2nd round pick been Colorado's own 2nd round pick next year that we got in the Lehkonen trade. But as i always do i'll give Newhook the chance to prove me wrong but at the price we paid he MUST develop at minimum into a 25/50 (in 82 games) 2nd line player both in the regular season and in the playoffs (not Ryder or Tatah 2.0).


That's too much for a 3rd line center unless he's a perennial selke nominee for the next 10 years. Average 3rd line centers are easy to find and a rebuilding team should not pay that price for one. He'll need to be more than that for this trade to be worth it. BTW 3rd line centers don't do 60 points not enough TOI. 40 points is about the max a 3rd line player will do unless he's used on the 2nd line which in reality make him a 2nd line player a.k.a The Philip Danault case.

Yeah he probably won't but it depends on his PP time. But 50 pts is doable if you have the right linemates. Also I don't see him cracking the top 6 long term. The top 6 is made up of former top 5 picks, players who should've been around or in the top 5 (Suzuki and Caufield) and a future top 5 pick. So he'll probably be relegated to third line duties on a very good forward core in the future

 

[Vachon23]

Just listen the Kent Hughes interview , what did I learn ?

« Alex Newhook est épais »

 

[JianYang]

Newhook is younger though.

Dvorak was "what you see is what you get" at this point of his career. Dvorak was 25 when we acquired him. There's always the late blomer believers i mean we can't escape them sadly but the reality is most players at 26 are done developing and Dvorak was going to hit 26 the next season after we acquired him. Late bloomers are the exception not the norm and you should not make a trade expecting it to happen and at the price we paid for Dvorak he had to be a late bloomer to be a good trade.

Newhook is younger at 22 and could still develop there's no question about it. I'm not a big fan personally. But the sample size is not massive. I've seen him at the u20, during playoffs and a few times in the regular seasons. He never stroke me as a gamers and a guy you should go to war with. I would be more fine with the trade had the 2nd round pick been Colorado's own 2nd round pick next year that we got in the Lehkonen trade. But as i always do i'll give Newhook the chance to prove me wrong but at the price we paid he MUST develop at minimum into a 25/50 (in 82 games) 2nd line player both in the regular season and in the playoffs (not Ryder or Tatah 2.0).


That's too much for a 3rd line center unless he's a perennial selke nominee for the next 10 years. Average 3rd line centers are easy to find and a rebuilding team should not pay that price for one. He'll need to be more than that for this trade to be worth it. BTW 3rd line centers don't do 60 points not enough TOI. 40 points is about the max a 3rd line player will do unless he's used on the 2nd line which in reality make him a 2nd line player a.k.a The Philip Danault case.

I don't watch Colorado alot. Newhook never stood out to me when I did watch, though.

I'm not going to put a point total expectation on him. If he finds a way to be a useful roster player, it might be worth it on its own.

Chances are that at least one of those 30 something picks doesn't pan out at all, but time will tell.

 

[LaP]

Yeah he probably won't but it depends on his PP time. But 50 pts is doable if you have the right linemates. Also I don't see him cracking the top 6 long term. The top 6 is made up of former top 5 picks, players who should've been around or in the top 5 (Suzuki and Caufield) and a future top 5 pick. So he'll probably be relegated to third line duties on a very good forward core in the future

Yeah for sure but then it means he's a 2nd line player playing on a 3rd line for a cup winning team like Kessel did for a while with the Pens in 2015-2016. Bottom line is if he plays like a 3rd line player (i.e. Eller, Dvorak, Shaw ...) then it wont cut it for this trade to be good.

Just listen the Kent Hughes interview , what did I learn ?

« Alex Newhook est épais »

"Ya des gros os" - Kent Hughes.

 

[Koivu11]

Just listen the Kent Hughes interview , what did I learn ?

« Alex Newhook est épais »

Dans le bas du corps en plus.

 

[LaP]

You’re sure you’re on the right forum for that?

It’s Newhook, not NewHooker.

Hey i'm his only fan!

 

[Adam Michaels]

Bednar also has a reputation for greatly favoring his vets. I would think that MSL just metes out icetime based on both performance and pedigree, so I can see Newhook doing more on the powerplay here, despite the Avalanche talented supporting cast.

MSL said in the scrum that they plan to give Newhook more than the 12-13 minutes he was being given in Colorado. So he will definitely have the ice time and more of an opportunity here in Montreal.

 

[LaP]

Dans le bas du corps en plus.

Rawrrrr!!!

 

[Riddick412]

Was just reading what the kings paid for PLD.

Two things. He's waaaay over rated. And obviously he didn't really want to come here, contrary to the media hype.

Newhook is a much better option at those prices.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Just listen the Kent Hughes interview , what did I learn ?

« Alex Newhook est épais »

I remember when MB took Sergachev in 2016, he said "il est épais" in trying to say he's a big body.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Kotkaniemi had 43 points in 82 games last year and developing quite nicely with the Hurricanes. He will flirt with 55-60 points as soon as next year imo. Newhook is no where close in his development curve. Things can change, but I don't see Newhook putting 60 points next year with the habs. If he does then it's a good trade, but for now it just looks like overpayment.

KK has 3 years of NHL experience more than Newhook and played with much better linemates last season as well as receiving a lot more quality PP time. It is a ridiculous comparison to try and make a linear correlation between the two players based solely on last years stats. Newhook has been more impressive than KK given the relative opportunity that they have had at the same ages. Comparing KK's D+5 to Newhook's D+4 was silly to begin with tbh.

 

[CheldishGamibno]

Hey i'm his only fan!

Link?

 

[Vachon23]

Was just reading what the kings paid for PLD.

Two things. He's waaaay over rated. And obviously he didn't really want to come here, contrary to the media hype.

Newhook is a much better option at those prices.

I mean not really the same caliber of player.. We actually hope Newhook can play at the level PLD is playing in the past season

And yes PLD wanted to come but when a team wants you way more than the other and that is LA, you take it. Especially when your agent encourage you to take LA for the past year

 

[Garbageyuk]

The media is spewing propaganda so that Geoff doesn't have to explain he's nixing Michkov for being on the wrong side of the geopolitical conflict, stuff that fans don't and shouldn't care about. It doesn't matter if the attacks are unsubstantiated, it's out there.

Other team owners don't have that issue with their corporate/government posture, but Geoff does.

It is what it is.

All that for a 17 year old prospect he presumably won’t be picking, when he could just not pick him and not say a thing about it. Think about what you’re saying dude. Utterly ridiculous.

 

[HabbyGuy]

Newhook has some really sexy highlight reel plays/goals.

Dach didn't have much at all in the way of that when we got him from Chicago.

Imagine when Newhook has ALL the freedom in Montreal....

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the thinking on part of Hughes here. It makes plenty of sense from their team building philosophy of having a team built around a core of like aged players.

Newhook has plenty of potential that couldn't be realized due to where he fit in Colorado's timeline.

People are just taken back a bit by the price in what many have considered a deep draft. I too was surprised/confused at first blush. That said it's a very calculated gamble by Hughes and could pay very nice dividends. I'm sure many of our fan base are going to like what they see from him once he's on bell centre ice.

 

[River Meadow]

Was just reading what the kings paid for PLD.

Two things. He's waaaay over rated. And obviously he didn't really want to come here, contrary to the media hype.

Newhook is a much better option at those prices.

LA literally traded all of their grit for pretender charmin soft Pierre-Luc.

They're gonna regret it.

Mark my words.

 

[ZUKI]

Reading the tread, maybe Hugues can call back Sakic to offer him the 5th for the 31th and the 37th so he doubles his chance to get a star player, or even two