Confirmed with Link: Alex Newhook for 31st, 37th and Fairbrother

[OpenIceHit]

I hope his new contract will be decent for us.

 

[River Meadow]

He could say that about every player currently in the NHL.

Yeah but he doesn't gush about every player....

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Most people here have never even seen Newhook play, they're just basing their opinions off of what they read from some disgruntled Avs fan on some main boards thread 3 months ago, or looked up his stats when they read about the trade. Exact same thing with Dach.

Oh no we traded basically two second round picks for a 22 year old who has the very real potential to be a very good 2nd line winger. Say it aint so.

I've never seen a more overvalued trade currency than 2nd round picks man. It's amazing. They're complete dogshit like 99% of the time.

Hutson, Romanov, Lekhonen, Subban, Latendresse, Lapierre, Ribeiro.

That's 7 non-dogshit hits in 25 years, with 30x 2nd picks.

Mind you, many of those 7 hits weren't close to 31st or 37th.

So while I don't mind the trade, it's still a hefty price.

 

[River Meadow]

All ready somewhat stated by Hughes but even this next following draft it is likely that draft picks will be acquired for Monahan, Edmundson and perhaps others. At some point it would become difficult to fit everyone under the contract limit and he likely deems this a quality over quantity move. With all of the red flags I would have still like to have seen a swing for the fences with Heidt or Cristall though.

If Cristall is avail at #31 I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[Vachon23]

There are several needs and just because you filled one doesn't mean that the team stops trying to fill the rest.

Yes but we probably give our best asset to fill those need

 

[Scotianhab]

So far, the habs projected top 6 (hopefully) is:

Suzuki 5'11
Caufield 5'7
Dach 6'4
Newhook 5'11 (or 5'10 depending the site)
Slaf 6'3

It really isn't that smallish, and there is still a slot left to fill in theory.

Anderson

 

[Andy]

Hutson, Romanov, Lekhonen, Subban, Latendresse, Lapierre, Ribeiro.

That's 7 non-dogshit hits in 25 years, with 30x 2nd picks.

Mind you, many of those 7 hits weren't close to 31st or 37th.

So while I don't mind the trade, it's still a hefty price.

Lapierre and Latendresse are really nothing to hit home about. And the only two players post 2007 on this list are Huston, Lekhonen, and Romanov. That's three players in 15.

Then if you add in late first round picks, it doesn't look any better. Poehling, Scherbak, Tinordi, McCarron.

 

[Vachon23]

If Cristall is avail at #31 I'm gonna be pissed.

I mean Newhook >> Cristall though

 

[WentWughes]

If Cristall is avail at #31 I'm gonna be pissed.

Be ready lol. With the dinosaur scouts overvaluing intangibles over raw skill I think he is gonna slide hard.

 

[Andy]

Yes but we probably give our best asset to fill those need

If the 31st overall pick is your best asset, that is sad.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I don't understand the 50-contract limit excuse. I mean...it's not like the 31st and 37th pick would have been signed 1 day after the draft. Chances are both guys are signed in 2-3 years. You have time to empty the pool.

No problem with Newhook. Will have a problem with the mixture of the team when it will be time to contend.

That's many more picks and trades down the road. We'll be fine.

 

[Vachon23]

If the 31st overall pick is your best asset, that is sad.

31 + 37

But like I said I expect Newhook to be better then the guy that is gonna be draft at 31 so I’m not angry about that trade

I just would prefer If we filled bigger need and more important need

 

[ReHabs]

It's June 27. There will be a lot more moves made this offseason. Also, the Habs want Laval to have longer playoff runs so the kids can get lots of playoff experience before being integrated with the big club.

Keep in mind other teams would have been bidding for Newhook. He's a nice young player who should take a bump offensively this season with a coach who isn't afraid to play his youth. Newhook will immediately be our fastest skater and has great versatility.

Hey I won’t make the same mistake as with the Dach trade. You won’t catch me poo-pooing the value of acquiring Newhook or its risk of failure like I did with Dach. Nope.

My complaint about our bum prospect pool is tangential. It’s full of hopeless mopes, I feel.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Lapierre and Latendresse are really nothing to hit home about. And the only two players post 2007 on this list are Huston, Lekhonen, and Romanov. That's three players in 15.

Tender was a 30 goal scorer at a time when scoring went down and injuries did the rest. Lapierre, sure.

Anyway, he said 99% of the time, they're dogshit. Would you agree that 20% (3/15) is a lot better than 1%?

It's a gamble either way.

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

Didn't Hughes say he wanted to get a line driver to play with Suzuki and Caufield?

 

[Andy]

31 + 37

But like I said I expect Newhook to be better then the guy that is gonna be draft at 31 so I’m not angry about that trade

I just would prefer If we filled bigger need and more important need

Maybe you're bigger and more important need costs more than 31 + 37.

When you look at recent trades with the habs, it's a very reasonable cost:

The habs received two seconds for Eller (a middle 6 player)
The Habs trades two seconds for Shaw (a middle 6 player)
The habs received Barron (former 1st) and a second for Lekhonen (a middle 6 player)

The cost is fair.

And from the Dubois trade, it's very clear the habs don't have excess nhl ready talent to package with their surplus picks and non-nhl prospects. There is a limit to what they can acquire. I don't think some folks are being reasonable here.

 

[Runner77]

If the 31st overall pick is your best asset, that is sad.

Yeah, pretty sad that Hutson selected 62nd last year, is our best prodpect.

 

[Miller Time]

So far, the habs projected top 6 (hopefully) is:

Suzuki 5'11
Caufield 5'7
Dach 6'4
Newhook 5'11 (or 5'10 depending the site)
Slaf 6'3

It really isn't that smallish, and there is still a slot left to fill in theory.

yeah, i'm bullish on Slaf cementing a top-6 role as well, and i'm not so fussed about the size question in general as far as the NHL roster makeup. Talent is king.

to me it's as much a matter of flexibility in asset management on a go-forward basis. with so many of our prospects on the smallish side in one particular lineup area (W), it could impact moves later on, so some line of sight to diversify some of that prospect pool without falling into the mistakes of the past (management feeling the need to draft specifically for size at the expense of talent).

 

[WG]

What if Michkov goes before 5? Hmm, then what? Why wouldn't they say take Smith instead?

And why is everyone still in the camp that Michkov is a forgone conclusion as a DND for our habs?

3 years is a long time and our teams makeup could be vastly different.

Wouldn't it still be foolhardy to pass on a prospect with the potential of a Michkov due to the teams construction today?

It would be foolhardy. There's some discussion that Leonard will do two years at BC, and Reinbacher is likely not going to be a difference maker for 3 years if not longer given the development curve for D.

None of the guys Montreal will take at 5 OV are going to be much help in 24-25, certainly not in 23-24. Not having Michkov for 3 years is not a viable reason to pass on him.

 

[jj cale]

Hmm I really liked some guys that could have been available at those picks, heres hoping Newhook finds his wings in Montreal.

 

[Andy]

Tender was a 30 goal scorer at a time when scoring went down and injuries did the rest. Lapierre, sure.

Anyway, he said 99% of the time, they're dogshit. Would you agree that 20% (3/15) is a lot better than 1%?

It's a gamble either way.

Alex Newhook is 4 years from having been drafted mid-first round. Back-to-back 30 point seasons on a team whose primary focus is not on development. Is that more of a gamble that picking a late first and an early second?

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Alex Newhook is 4 years from having been drafted mid-first round. Back-to-back 30 point seasons on a team whose primary focus is not on development. Is that more of a gamble that picking a late first and an early second?

Maybe you should re-read my last sentence cause it already answers your question.

 

[Vachon23]

Maybe you're bigger and more important need costs more than 31 + 37.

When you look at recent trades with the habs, it's a very reasonable cost:

The habs received two seconds for Eller (a middle 6 player)
The Habs trades two seconds for Shaw (a middle 6 player)
The habs received Barron (former 1st) and a second for Lekhonen (a middle 6 player)

The cost is fair.

And from the Dubois trade, it's very clear the habs don't have excess nhl ready talent to package with their surplus picks and non-nhl prospects. There is a limit to what they can acquire. I don't think some folks are being reasonable here.

I don’t have that much problem with the price we paid, I would have paid a little bit more if it was it take to bring a relclamation project like Newhook but for a bigger need.

 

[River Meadow]

Newhook has some really sexy highlight reel plays/goals.

Dach didn't have much at all in the way of that when we got him from Chicago.

Imagine when Newhook has ALL the freedom in Montreal....

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

31 + 37

But like I said I expect Newhook to be better then the guy that is gonna be draft at 31 so I’m not angry about that trade

I just would prefer If we filled bigger need and more important need

The team needs better centers than Evans and Dvorak. Significantly better.