Confirmed with Link: Alex Newhook for 31st, 37th and Fairbrother

[ChesterNimitz]

Newhook isn't big, but I wouldn't classify him as small either.. and he's certainly got an edge to his game. We didn't get bigger but we didn't get softer, we got more edge.

We got faster.

 

[Andy]

Yeah, pretty sad that Hutson selected 62nd last year, is our best prodpect.

Scherbak
Tinordi
McCarron
Poehling
Juulsen
Colberg
Thrower
Fucale
Brook
Ikoken
Ylonen
Olofsson
De La Rose
Kristo

List of late firsts and second picks since the Habs drafted Subban in round two in 2007. The next notable second round picks were Lekhonen and Romanov.

We're playing the odds here.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Scherbak
Tinordi
McCarron
Poehling
Juulsen
Colberg
Thrower
Fucale
Brook
Ikoken
Ylonen
Olofsson
De La Rose
Kristo

List of late firsts and second picks since the Habs drafted Subban in round two in 2007. The next notable second round picks were Lekhonen and Romanov.

We're playing the odds here.

The Bergevin years are skewing the numbers.

For now, Hughes is foreseeably 1/1. I kinda like his odds compared to Bergevin.

 

[Runner77]

Scherbak
Tinordi
McCarron
Poehling
Juulsen
Colberg
Thrower
Fucale
Brook
Ikoken
Ylonen
Olofsson
De La Rose
Kristo

List of late firsts and second picks since the Habs drafted Subban in round two in 2007. The next notable second round picks were Lekhonen and Romanov.

We're playing the odds here.

Really? You’re going to bring back picks from that many years back? Completely disingenuous and irrelevant.

Not the same drafting contingent.
Different management.
Analytics.
Better development.

Where is Beck in your list? Engstrom?

Why is our 62nd pick from last year, our best prospect?

What odds are you playing given how deep this draft is? Odds look so much better in this draft.

 

[Andy]

The Bergevin years are skewing the numbers.

For now, Hughes is foreseeably 1/1. I kinda like his odds compared to Bergevin.

Sure, but there is also the factor that Caufield, Dach, Suzuki need support now not in 4-5 years.

31+37 unlikely to make an impact in the nhl before that timeframe.

They don't have excess nhl ready assets to get in established players (as evidences by the Dubois saga). This is the way to bring in young players that could possibly join your already young core.

It's such a reasonable gamble.

 

[Takeru]

I was against the Dach acquisition because I felt we weren’t rebuilding as expected — and Dach’s injury/risk profile wasn’t attractive.

At this point I know better than to whine about this trade. My only complaint is at how worthless our prospect pool must be that we had to trade draft picks instead of our many many prospects.

Otherwise, sanguine.

Now, if you wanna get us into a tilt tell me Hughes is going to trade down from 5 so he could draft the next Chris Higgins.

It could be as you said or it could be we rathered keep the prospects that would have enticed COL in a trade and felt they'd be more valuable to our team or in future trades as they develop (compared to picks 31/37).

Just another way of looking at it, we don't know what other types of offers were on the table...

 

[Andy]

Really? You’re going to bring back picks from that many years back? Completely disingenuous and irrelevant.

Not the same drafting contingent.
Different management.
Analytics.
Better development.

Where is Beck in your list? Engstrom?

Why is our 62nd pick from last year, our best prospect?

What odds are you playing given how deep this draft is? Odds look so much better in this draft.

Are Beck, Huston, Engstrom playing in the nhl right now?

Maybe the new management, with their better develpment, new analytics team and new drafting contingent determine that no one at 31 + 37 had better upside than the player they acquired today.

The history of second round picks dictates you are far more likely to draft a bust regardless of the management team in place.

 

[HuGo Sham]

This makes me worried they pick Reinbacher now lol
(I knoooooow , I know, could be worse than getting a top 4 RD -maybe-)

not at 5. for some reason I'm starting to actually get michkov vibes - unless some team like Nashville, caps or philly go nuclear and offer Hughes the moon

 

[waffledave]

Newhook is also half a decade older.

Like I said before, he was this size when he was drafted. Just saying this "b-but Basu said!!!" thing is nonsense.

And 22 years old vs 18 years old

Not an insult to Michkov, just saying they aren't the same size.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

Sure, but there is also the factor that Caufield, Dach, Suzuki need support now not in 4-5 years.

31+37 unlikely to make an impact in the nhl before that timeframe.

They don't have excess nhl ready assets to get in established players (as evidences by the Dubois saga). This is the way to bring in young players that could possibly join your already young core.

It's such a reasonable gamble.

I didn't say otherwise.

I said I don't mind the trade. It's still a hefty price. And picking 31st and 37th in a strong is also a reasonable gamble.

So let's just not act like we gave nothing away. It could smack if it flops.

 

[Vachon23]

The team needs better centers than Evans and Dvorak. Significantly better.

Suzuki and Dach

And I don’t think they see Newhook as a Center

 

[hvac412]

After reading Marc Dumont's article on Newhook it looks like RHP has way more upside than this guy.Get's knocked off the puck easy,hard on himself,hard time finding open space, oh but wait he's a great guy and who knows maybe we have a Chris Wideman in the making,not particularly good at anything but just a great guy.

 

[Runner77]

Are Beck, Huston, Engstrom playing in the nhl right now?

Maybe the new management, with their better develpment, new analytics team and new drafting contingent determine that no one at 31 + 37 had better upside than the player they acquired today.

The history of second round picks dictates you are far more likely to draft a bust regardless of the management team in place.

Granted but Beck, Hutson and Engstrom are very projectable. You couldn’t say that about all the busts you listed at a similar timeline from their draft years.

We’ll revisit in 2-3 years and see if they all bust.

 

[River Meadow]

After reading Marc Dumont's article on Newhook it looks like RHP has way more upside than this guy.Get's knocked off the puck easy,hard on himself,hard time finding open space, oh but wait he's a great guy and who knows maybe we have a Chris Wideman in the making,not particularly good at anything but just a great guy.

Come on..

It's hard finding a great guy in 2023.

 

[JHabs]

Newhook's nickname is "The Dash"

 

[Andy]

Also, I should add the new management has shown fairly decent pro-scouting in year one targeting Dach, Matheson, Kovacevic, Monahan, Barron. I think they deserve some rope and trust on this one.

 

[ReHabs]

It could be as you said or it could be we rathered keep the prospects that would have enticed COL in a trade and felt they'd be more valuable to our team or in future trades as they develop (compared to picks 31/37).

Just another way of looking at it, we don't know what other types of offers were on the table...

I don’t see this as likely because prospects need to play and skill prospects need to play skill roles with appropriate TOI.

Farrell, for instance. RHP. Heineman. Ylonen. What’s going on with them? They won’t get top6 TOI in the NHL, but in the AHL we could also have Mešar and Slafkovsky and Joshua Roy and who knows who else.

 

[Andy]

You couldn’t say that about all the busts you listed at a similar timeline from their draft years.

This is incredible revisionist history if you think the majority of people didn't think highly of 70% of the players I listed there.

 

[ReHabs]

Like I said before, he was this size when he was drafted. Just saying this "b-but Basu said!!!" thing is nonsense.



Not an insult to Michkov, just saying they aren't the same size.

To be fair, pretty much everything you say about Michkov comes across as a barb at this point. I think you’ve sublimated some animosity from your overseas colleagues, perhaps unintentionally.

 

[Captain97]

Yeah but he doesn't gush about every player....

Nope he once said he think Suzuki will be a 3C, it was that day I took every opinion he ever said as pure guesswork

 

[River Meadow]

Nope he once said he think Suzuki will be a 3C, it was that day I took every opinion he ever said as pure guesswork

Fair but everyone can be wrong sometimes

 

[WeThreeKings]

After reading Marc Dumont's article on Newhook it looks like RHP has way more upside than this guy.Get's knocked off the puck easy,hard on himself,hard time finding open space, oh but wait he's a great guy and who knows maybe we have a Chris Wideman in the making,not particularly good at anything but just a great guy.

Marc Dumont is miserable right now and hates everything. Moody guy.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Suzuki and Dach

And I don’t think they see Newhook as a Center

Every team has four centers, but then you knew that.

Newhook may be played as 2LW, depending on Monahan's heatlh, while also having the ability to play 3C in the short term as well as 2C in the long term. At 22, I certainly would not write him off, especially with that speed and set of hands. As I mentioned elsewhere, part of his low stock is due to the Avs coach preferring vet players, which is the main reason for this opportunity. Bednar was in win-now mode, after a Cup win, despite the downgrade in goaltending, so he was disinclined to nurture young talent.

Moreover, I take solace in the parallels between last year's reactions to the Dach trade and this one. I suspect that there is significant overlap in the naysayers in both groups.

 

[Kairi Zaide]

Yeah but he doesn't gush about every player....

you just have to ask him to

and he's going to drop the time at which they were born, the name of their coach when they were 8 years old, and what grade they got in their 2nd math exam in their last year of high school

 

[Boris Le Tigre]

To be fair, pretty much everything you say about Michkov comes across as a barb at this point. I think you’ve sublimated some animosity from your overseas colleagues, perhaps unintentionally.