Confirmed with Link: Alex Newhook for 31st, 37th and Fairbrother

[Whitesnake]

I don't understand the 50-contract limit excuse. I mean...it's not like the 31st and 37th pick would have been signed 1 day after the draft. Chances are both guys are signed in 2-3 years. You have time to empty the pool.

No problem with Newhook. Will have a problem with the mixture of the team when it will be time to contend.

 

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

But he's not small. If you watch him, you don't see a small player and you don't see a slow player. The whole size issue is bring overblown. He's not Sean Farrell or Cole Caufield size. And he doesn't need to be Anderson size to be a solid player. He's missed 11 games total in 2 years, so he seems durable.

What are the valuable asstes? 31st OA is a valuable asset compared to a guy who went 16th OA in another really good draft? But also has 2 NHL years under his belt already? This isn't to say anyone they'd take 31st OA wouldn't amount to anything. But instead of waiting 4-5 years to see if that player pans out, you can have a player who can grow and reach his potential as soon as next year and for years to come.

Do you think he's redundant because you look at his 30-point production and think that's his ceiling? We need to understanding the context he was in in Colorado? They're in a win now mode. When Newhook came into the NHL, Avs had MacKinnon, Kadri, Rantanen, Landeskog, Nichuskin, Burakovsky, acquired Lehkonen. So he was playing in a Bottom-6 role. Avs were not in a spot where they had to develop the kid.

Bednar also has a reputation for greatly favoring his vets. I would think that MSL just metes out icetime based on both performance and pedigree, so I can see Newhook doing more on the powerplay here, despite the Avalanche talented supporting cast.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Toffoli is gone to the devils.

 

[Habsfan18]

My question to everyone:

If this deal was Newhook for one of Mailloux/Mesar AND Beck…what would have been your initial reaction?

 

[Skip Bayless]

Where exactly does this money come from? The advertising and corporate funds afforded to the team are only possible because of it's fans. Without the fans none of these things exist.

Without sheep there's no use of a shepard.

It probably belongs in a politics thread.

It wouldn't be an issue if the owner was Joe Schmo, but it's a Molson.

Picking a russian high is too controversial and presents many risks for many investors.

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[JohnTheBaptist]

Slafkovsky - Suzuki - Caufield
Newhook - Dach - Harvey Pinard

 

[xX SEYF Xx]

It's obvious Michkov is not their guy. If he was, the media wouldn't be on a rampage to tear down his reputation so freely. Believe me, Mathias Brunet/Martin McGuire and Dany Dubé wouldn't be yapping as much if Michkov was the guy. These people are connected.

Lol you giving those guys more weight than they could carry

 

[Andy]

My question to everyone:

If this deal was Newhook for one of Mailloux/Mesar AND Beck…what would have been your initial reaction?

What if it's Poehling and Colberg?

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Toffoli is gone to the devils.

wow…..a 3rd + ahl spot

 

[Takeru]

It didn't shift one bit. They were perfectly transparent right from the get go that this is going to be what they try to do and they did by acquiring Barron, Heineman, Dach and Newhook.

The masturbation over draft picks is ridiculous. Bergevin hoarded those picks and much good did it do us.

People should go ahead and slam HuGo for faulty player evaluation if Barron, Heineman, Dach and Newhook turn to shit. Before that happens, they don't have a ground to stand on.

I feel it's all about having a balanced mix of (as good as possible) assets.

This is likely what "cost" us the PLD upgrade opportunity. We had a bunch of futures but little we were willing to spare in terms of young roster players, and virtually no interesting veteran type players either.

This year I hope is when we start turning a corner in terms of our prospects/youngsters gradually fullfilling bigger roles, either at the NHL or AHL level. Then, with more prospects on the way, we should afford to be in on those PLD/Eichel type upgrade opportunities.

 

[ReHabs]

Didn't you ramble on for months about how draft picks are magic beans? Good heavens man!

Draft picks are worth more than drafted prospects. The problem I’ve highlighted is pretty obvious: our prospects are worthless on the trade market.

 

[Habsfan18]

What if it's Poehling and Colberg?

Point taken. But with that specific proposal, being done right now..you didn’t answer the question.

My point is, this forum is always more enamoured with the THOUGHT of young prospects and draft picks than the actual reality of the young players.

It’s a high cost, but Newhook certainly still has potential. A lot of people writing him off already and that’s silly.

 

[Barriwhite]

Draft picks are worth more than drafted prospects. The problem I’ve highlighted is pretty obvious: our prospects are worthless on the trade market.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Could we not have exploited the situation a little better since we knew Colorado couldn’t afford him?

Just trying to figure out how we ended up coughing up 2 picks when one might have gone the job in what is a very deep draft.

I know … “it is what it is.”

Newhook's still a highly regarded young player around the NHL and there would have likely been several teams interested in him. I posted last night that I think he could break out this season. He's at that age when so many forwards take a production leap. He also offers great versatility and there is a huge pile of teams in need of a center.

I think he's now the fastest forward on our NHL roster. Playing for MSL and on a team that doesn't have serious playoff aspirations will be a great situation for his development to take off.

 

[Andy]

Point taken. But with that specific proposal, being done right now..you didn’t answer the question.

My point is, this forum is always more enamoured with the THOUGHT of young prospects and draft picks than the actual reality of the young players.

It’s a high cost, but Newhook certainly still has potential. I lot of people writing him off already and that’s silly.

It's a silly question because picks 31 and 37 are not real players right now, so your scenario is meaningless.

Maybe, I wouldn't trade Mailloux and Mesar...but I would trade Poehling, Colberg, Fucale, De La Rose, McCarron, Scherbak, Thrower, Brook, Ikonen. Also, there is nothing certain about Mesar at present.

I'm not sure what your point is exactly. The reality is that late firsts and second round picks are more likely to bust than boom. In Montreal, we've had a huge history of busts.

 

[ReHabs]

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On the trade market? Absolutely.

For one team? I’d always go for the known quantity than the magic beans. Schooner Guy tried to pin me on this because I really do rail against the fetishistic obsession with draft picks. Magic beans is all they are.

But our team is desperate for high end skill and seemingly incapable of ever trading quantity for quality… so magic beans is basically all we have to get a star player.

 

[sukimono]

One point in the playoffs!

 

[ZUKI]

Zegras for 5th overall?

Anaheim adds Fantilli and Mickov.

Suzuki , we should trade Suzuki because we could get a very good draft selection in return
Smith and Zegras added to Habs !!!

 

[Schooner Guy]

Draft picks are worth more than drafted prospects. The problem I’ve highlighted is pretty obvious: our prospects are worthless on the trade market.

Hughes has said several times he's open to trading draft picks for young players on the verge of breaking out. Newhook certainly fits the bill.

 

[Takeru]

This is a good way to see it, in my opinion. Newhook was a 16th OA pick and people are upset they gave up 31st OA as if it's guaranteed they'd be better than Newhook, who still has a lot of room to grow and can do it as of next year rather than 4-5 years from now.

And he was a 16th OA pick in what is already being seen as one of the better draft classes in 2019.

This fanbase sure panics easily. No idea if it will turn out the same way but I have déjà vu from when the Habs acquired Dach. Same negative comments.
Hughes has earned some leeway and if it happens this ends up being a mistake, so be it. Not a single GM is perfect in decision making. As long as the good moves outweigh the bad ones.
It's an interesting move. What are the chances picks 31 and 37 end up better than Newhook? Might seem like a slight overpay but we'll find out in a few years from now.

Guys, don't you know, it's as good as done the next Jason Robertson will be drafted with those picks /s

 

[Naslundforever]

How would you define good?

Should have written « better »; but if it’s what you mean that ain’t much so the dead wood left is not worth strategizing around

 

[Habsfan18]

It's a silly question because picks 31 and 37 are not real players right now, so your scenario is meaningless.

Maybe, I wouldn't trade Mailloux and Mesar...but I would trade Poehling, Colberg, Fucale, De La Rose, McCarron, Scherbak, Thrower, Brook, Ikonen. Also, there is nothing certain about Mesar at present.

I'm not sure what your point is exactly. The reality is that late firsts and second round picks are more likely to bust than boom. In Montreal, we've had a huge history of busts.

I’m just curious is all. Spitballing. I can honestly see both sides of this. I agree with those who are excited to see what he can bring and who were big fans of him in his draft year, and I can also agree with those who feel the price was a little steep.

Just honestly curious what the reaction would be if the trade was announced on HF Habs today as Newhook for Mailloux and Beck. My guess is not good.

But yes, Newhook is more of a sure thing than two unknowns.

 

[Miller Time]

Why. I'm not like the others. I dont like this trade. We have wayyyy too many forwards like this. And im not sure Newhook is the type of player we should be aiming for.

Probably something else brewing or else this is stupid. We traded 31s and 37th damn.

this is my only concern... especially with PLD officially never coming to Mtl.

assuming he is going to slot in on the wing, our top-6 W depth chart is a lot of sub smallish/thin players

CC, Newhook, RHP, Ylonen Roy, Ylonen, Mesar, Farrell, Heineman, Roher...

with only Anderson & Slaf (and MAYBE Tuch in 3-4 years) as large framed wingers that can be expected to play top-6 role

I trust in Hughes/Gorton, and assume that in making this deal, they believe that Newhook will be a dynamic top-6 contributor sooner than later... I just hope they have some rabbits up their sleaves to add at least 1, if not 2, quality top-9 contributors that aren't cut from the same mould of the vast majority of our current NHLers and prospects.

 

[Whitesnake]

So if I understand correctly....we should stop concentrating on draft picks? The very same draft picks that we were talking for a full year waiting for the Panthers to drop so we'd get as good a pick as possible?

 

[OpenIceHit]

I'm not overly thrilled with acquiring Newhook but let's see how he does this year. However, couldn't we get something better for that package?