Confirmed with Link: Alex Newhook for 31st, 37th and Fairbrother

[26Mats]

With Newhook in, there will be a battle between RHP and Slaf for the last roster spot, unless one of Armia, Hoffman, Dvorak or Gallagher is going out... and what happens with Gurianov.

I don't even have Armia and Hoffman in the picture. Gotta play RHP, Slaf, Ylonen, and Newhook ahead of them. So as of now, if Dvo stays, there are no more spots for Hoffman, Armia, and Gurianov.

Caufield Suzuki Dvo/Monahan
RHP Dach Anderson
Newhook Monahan/Dvo Slaf
Gallagher Evans Ylonen
Pez

But Dvo might get moved.

Rather than liquidate them, I want to see them let go for fair value but as part of a roster building strategy. Right now, it just looks like they’re prioritizing unrealized potential with speed.

Well Hughes did well with Petry when he had to liquidate him.

We'll see what he does with Eddy this summer, and I think guys like Harris and Struble down the line.

 

[Cournoyer12]

We can only hope!!!!!

 

[wildD]

I liked the kid in his draft and still like him, but I think this is an overpayment for an undersized player.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

I disagree with your disagreement of my take.

Especially when you mix up my name.

I hit post and had to go back and edit the damned thing. My fingers aren’t as nimble as they used to be. I’m gonna go yell at a cloud and tell some miserable teenagers to get off my lawn here in a bit.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

The size is actually my main problem with it. I don't mind giving up the picks. But we need size and elite talent on this team. This move brings us neither and therefore appears useless to me. All it gives us is another undersized body.

Like, this is not some overreaction to the Dubois hype train that was going on. This is just my reaction to them trading valuable assets for what seems to be something that as useless as tits on a bull to our organizational makeup.

The fact that it happened in such proximity with us not getting Dubois really makes it look like a panic move.



I will take your points one at a time:

-I have to judge people by their actions, not what they say. A good snake oil salesman can justify just about anything. The overpayment seems to add to that.

-I think many of us rate size at the exact spot it should be rated. I realize you can be 5'10" with good lower-body strength, but you'll stull be overpowered by someone who's 6'2" with good lower-body strength. You can have 5'10" players on the team, but you need to surround them with size.

Look at Suzuki. He's thick, but he just isn't that strong relative to other NHLers, sorry. Because of that, he and his line often have problems getting the puck out of our own end.

-If you're not watching Canadiens games, there's generally a reason for that. Maybe you're a little tired of what they bring to the table as well? I mean, I don't know your situation and life definitely gets in the way, but there was a time in my life that I worked 70-hour weeks and still found some time to watch a game here and there. Regardless, they've been tiny and getting pushed around for... maybe two decades? So I'm sure you might have noticed it at some point.

-We'll have to see how MSL and Hughes do. Despite what our fanbase is saying, there's yet to be evidence they're the development gurus everyone things they are.



You're entitled to your opinion of course, but the vibe I was getting from Hab fans was a frenzy around PLD. Heck, look at our very own topics here on this forum. This seems to be an emergency backup move to deflect from that failure.

Some of us here feel not giving away the farm for PLD is hardly a failure but constitutes a true blessing.

 

[Habs]

I like this trade as most of our prospects generally turn to crap.

With that said if KH trades down from 5 as well and this draft turns out to be as good as people say he will look extremely bad.... Gutsy move

why on earth would anyone below is want to move up to 5, considering we have nothing to offer at this point? Who you going to use as a bargaining chip? Teams below are rebuilding, it makes no sense at all, I think its a Kent Hughes fanboi-bot making this stuff up

 

[pickles555]

All those assets wasted just to replace Drouin

Newhook 82 games 30 points

Drouin 58 games 29 points

What a waste!!

 

[Beendair Donedat]

All those assets wasted just to replace Drouin

Newhook 82 games 30 points

Drouin 58 games 29 points

What a waste!!

You!

Go to the penalty box for two minutes and feel shame.

 

[ArtPeur]

Brière has been reported to be looking to move up and looks to have interest in Michkov, who may likely be there at the Habs’ drafting slot.

Moving up makes sense, yes. Everything else in that trade doesn't: Hart for Dvo to move up 2 places.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

But he's not small. If you watch him, you don't see a small player and you don't see a slow player. The whole size issue is bring overblown. He's not Sean Farrell or Cole Caufield size. And he doesn't need to be Anderson size to be a solid player. He's missed 11 games total in 2 years, so he seems durable.

What are the valuable asstes? 31st OA is a valuable asset compared to a guy who went 16th OA in another really good draft? But also has 2 NHL years under his belt already? This isn't to say anyone they'd take 31st OA wouldn't amount to anything. But instead of waiting 4-5 years to see if that player pans out, you can have a player who can grow and reach his potential as soon as next year and for years to come.

Do you think he's redundant because you look at his 30-point production and think that's his ceiling? We need to understanding the context he was in in Colorado? They're in a win now mode. When Newhook came into the NHL, Avs had MacKinnon, Kadri, Rantanen, Landeskog, Nichuskin, Burakovsky, acquired Lehkonen. So he was playing in a Bottom-6 role. Avs were not in a spot where they had to develop the kid.

The average height of NHL forwards is 6'-6'1". The Average weight is 200 lbs. He's small.

The problem I have with this player is, number one:

-I get top 6 or bust vibes from him, since I don't find small bottom 6ers particularly useful.

Number Two:

-If he does make the top 6, that gives us another small guy in out top 6. I don't think you can win in the playoffs with that kind of top 6. Maybe you can if one of them is Patrick Kane or Michkov, but not f***ing Alex Newhook. He might be good, but he'll never be a superstar.

Even if you don't think he's "small," fine. But when you're facing a team of 6'2" behemoths in the playoffs, you're going to get creamed if half your top 6 is 5'10" or smaller.

Number Three:

-As a result of this nonsense, we're definitely not drafting Michkov, which just goes to show, to me, that the organizational philosophy of this team is milquetoast, corporate, and pathetic as ever.

 

[Skip Bayless]

OK while possible I suppose, and understand your reasoning as to why they might move down.

It still doesn't suggest that it has a move down wriiten all over it, nor that we will infact be doing that.

It's very unlikely we stick to #5 when we aren't picking Michkov. Knowing the players we like might still be there around 6-7-8.

Hughes knows he is getting a 1st round pick back, Newhook was available and he liked him.

I don't think Hughes makes the trade today without knowing he's getting another first rounder to move down. He's basically eye'ing for a haul like Leonard + Musty + Newhook.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I'm betting we see

Newhook - Dach - Anderson as a line next year

This kid’s superior skating ability provides many options.

 

[MarioLeMoose]

Useless trade with wasted assets imo. Would've rather used those picks to move up to 4.

Lol well those picks weren’t getting you up to 4 so don’t worry about it

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Some of us here feel not giving away the farm for PLD is hardly a failure but constitutes a true blessing.

I don't mind the lack of PLD trade, I just don't like this panic move that stemmed from it.

 

[Rapala]

Some of us here feel not giving away the farm for PLD is hardly a failure but constitutes a true blessing.

I think the Poll reflects that perfectly well. When 65% don't want to give up assets it surely means something.

 

[MarioLeMoose]

You!

Go to the penalty box for two minutes and feel shame.

He’s a troll account

 

[sheed36]

We are becoming a repository for unloved and underperforming Quartexx clients.

Who’s next?

Yup I mixed up repository and suppository there for a second.

 

[MadMslm]

I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t disappointed.

Like many on this board, the draft is the culmination point of the season and it sucks to lose 2 of our top 3 draft picks. Hughes could definitely soften the blow by trading down or acquiring other picks. Sure, draft picks shouldn’t get in the way of building a contender.

For context, I was more than alright with Dach’s trade last year.

Newhook isn’t a bad player, great speed and good hands, but every time I watch him, he is disappointing in term of winning battles. He thrives on the rush and set plays whenever there’s space on the ice.

He can be explosive, but most of it comes in short bursts. Sure, he could get 40 + points next season and look good at times, but to what end ?

We just saw two big teams in the playoffs that could play any style and that’s not something Newhook can do.

He’s still young, but I doubt he ends up as a center, he’ll have to use his speed on the wing. He does go on the inside, but I was left disappointed watching him last season. At times, it felt like his brain could only process the game at one speed only.


Those two picks might amount to nothing, and if Newhook hits 40/50 pts a year it will probably be a win. I just feel they could have been used to target things this team needs more than a small winger talented winger.

Obviously, we have too many forwards and Hughes could recoup picks elsewhere.

 

[HabbyGuy]

It's very unlikely we stick to #5 when we aren't picking Michkov. Knowing the players we like might still be there around 6-7-8.

Hughes knows he is getting a 1st round pick back, Newhook was available and he liked him.

I don't think Hughes makes the trade today without knowing he's getting another first rounder to move down. He's basically eye'ing for a haul like Leonard + Musty + Newhook.

What if Michkov goes before 5? Hmm, then what? Why wouldn't they say take Smith instead?

And why is everyone still in the camp that Michkov is a forgone conclusion as a DND for our habs?

3 years is a long time and our teams makeup could be vastly different.

Wouldn't it still be foolhardy to pass on a prospect with the potential of a Michkov due to the teams construction today?

 

[Team_Spirit]

Marchessault just won the Conn Smythe he's freaking 5'9

Size queens

 

[Barriwhite]

We are becoming a repository for unloved and underperforming Quartexx clients.

Who’s next?

Coin toss between Zadina & Veleno.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I don't mind the lack of PLD trade, I just don't like this panic move that stemmed from it.

I don’t see the panic. They identified a player that they believe can improve the team with his dynamic speed. All trades come with risks. But this was an insightful trade that offers immediate and long term upside and benefit. We are a better team as a result of it. Its good to have insightful management at the helm of this franchise after decades of dullards running the show. Gutsy trade.

 

[NobleSix]

The Dach-esque flip flopping most of you will do next season will be delicious. I really had a good time witnessing it first hand last season and I'm looking forward to the opportunity to do it again.

 

[BaseballCoach]

I don't even have Armia and Hoffman in the picture. Gotta play RHP, Slaf, Ylonen, and Newhook ahead of them. So as of now, if Dvo stays, there are no more spots for Hoffman, Armia, and Gurianov.

Caufield Suzuki Dvo/Monahan
RHP Dach Slaf
Newhook Monahan/Dvo Slaf
Gallagher Evans Ylonen
Pez

But Dvo might get moved.


Well Hughes did well with Petry when he had to liquidate him.

We'll see what he does with Eddy this summer, and I think guys like Harris and Struble down the line.

You have Slaf twice but no Anderson

 

[Barriwhite]

Yup I mixed up repository and suppository there for a second.

This asset might dissolve under heat and pressure… you may be an oracle