Alex Edler - Part II

[Reverend Mayhem]

Well, chicken or egg really. Is Edler off because the Canucks aren't as offensive as years past or are the Canucks not offensive as years past because Edler isn't as great a threat on the other side of the puck anymore?

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

How else would you explain Edler's on-ice shooting % last season, if not through luck?

Edler's own shooting % was fairly normal so unless Edler's presence on the ice somehow drastically affected the other four players on the ice with him for the worse for the majority of last season, I attribute his unsustainably low on-ice shooting % last year to luck.

I think this is a small problem with advanced stats. People say stuff like this where it becomes luck. Just looking at Edler last year or the year beforehand, the dude was in the Mojave desert on a serious vision quest trying to rediscover his game. Or at least it looked so on most nights.

 

[HighAndTight]

Well, chicken or egg really. Is Edler off because the Canucks aren't as offensive as years past or are the Canucks not offensive as years past because Edler isn't as great a threat on the other side of the puck anymore?

My thoughts as well, but on the other hand when has Edler been paired with a real offensive threat on his other side? With Salo and Ehrhoff he was excellent. We need to try and recreate that magic. Garrison wasn't really ever a fit and never meshed with Edler.

It would be nice to have a real shooter on the point or someone to properly feed Edler for one timers...that we still don't try for...

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

My thoughts as well, but on the other hand when has Edler been paired with a real offensive threat on his other side? With Salo and Ehrhoff he was excellent. We need to try and recreate that magic. Garrison wasn't really ever a fit and never meshed with Edler.

It would be nice to have a real shooter on the point or someone to properly feed Edler for one timers...that we still don't try for...

Another thing is Edler has changed roles so damn often on this team. One year he's carrying the defensive side of things, the other he's the PP specialist, the next he's testing water as the #1.

 

[tc 23]

I think this is a small problem with advanced stats. People say stuff like this where it becomes luck. Just looking at Edler last year or the year beforehand, the dude was in the Mojave desert on a serious vision quest trying to rediscover his game. Or at least it looked so on most nights.

I'm not arguing that Edler was good last season. I'm saying that he was unlucky in that the players on the ice at the same time as him last season were scoring on an unsustainably low percentage of their shots. I don't buy that a defenseman can negatively affect the shooting % of the four players on the ice at the same time as him to such a degree.

 

[HighAndTight]

Another thing is Edler has changed roles so damn often on this team. One year he's carrying the defensive side of things, the other he's the PP specialist, the next he's testing water as the #1.

Exactly.

First he was the Shooter on the PP, then he was the passer to Hoff and Salo then were tried him as the number one and a defense first guy.

Truth is Edler is above average in all areas and you have to play him like that. We can't keep trying to pigeon hole this kid.

 

[arsmaster*]

He's good at everything but a master of none.

 

[HighAndTight]

He's good at everything but a master of none.

In AV/Gillis' time here Edler personified this team for better or worse. Like you said he's good at everything but a master of nothing is exactly what this team's identity was.

Pretty decent at everything but not the best. When we were on top we always had someone picking up the slack, but you can't rely on that come playoff time.

 

[Nucker101]

He's good at everything but a master of none.

I'd argue that he's average offensively these days(can make a first pass and skate with the puck, but that's about it, I don't think he really creates offense), and he's also below average as a PP d-man.

Nothing wrong with that, but man this team really needs a legit PMD that can actually make our forwards better offensively and create offense for others.

 

[arsmaster*]

I'd argue that he's average offensively these days(can make a first pass and skate with the puck, but that's about it, I don't think he really creates offense), and he's also below average as a PP d-man.

Nothing wrong with that, but man this team really needs a legit PMD that can actually make our forwards better offensively and create offense for others.

Ok. Semantics. He's adequate at everything. Not exceptional at anything (other the bruising shins).

 

[arsmaster*]

How else would you explain Edler's on-ice shooting % last season, if not through luck?

Edler's own shooting % was fairly normal so unless Edler's presence on the ice somehow drastically affected the other four players on the ice with him for the worse for the majority of last season, I attribute his unsustainably low on-ice shooting % last year to luck.

I'm too ignorant to be in a real math conversation, but what were his corsi events like? Average shot distance while on ice?

I mean I guess there is a baseline avg that each defender should have and Edler's was exorbitantly low, but is it enough to just say that?

Can we dig deeper (not that I care to).

Edler looked like he forgot the basics of hockey last season.

I'm glad he's bounced back. I'm not sure where we'd be if he didn't.

 

[tc 23]

I'm too ignorant to be in a real math conversation, but what were his corsi events like? Average shot distance while on ice?

I mean I guess there is a baseline avg that each defender should have and Edler's was exorbitantly low, but is it enough to just say that?

Can we dig deeper (not that I care to).

Edler looked like he forgot the basics of hockey last season.

I'm glad he's bounced back. I'm not sure where we'd be if he didn't.

Last season, Hockeyanalysis.com has his Corsi For % at 52.4 and Fenwick For % at 51.9. NHL.com has his average shot length at 63 (not sure if any site has average shot distance of on-ice shots for/against).

For comparison's sake, Edler's on-ice shooting % last season was 3.63% (according to Hockeyanalysis.com). Among dmen who played 1000+ mins, 2nd worst on-ice shooting % was 5.29%, followed by 5.46% and 5.48%. The previous season, Edler's on-ice shooting % was 7.12% and the lowest (among dmen who played 500+ mins) was 4.12%. The season before that, Edler's on-ice shooting % was 7.51% and the lowest (among dmen who played 1000+ mins) was 5.24%. It's basically an extreme anomaly for a defenseman to have an on-ice shooting % beginning in the 3's over 1000+ minutes.

Over 800 on-ice shots on goal, the difference between an on-ice shooting % of 3.63% and 7% is 27 goals for.

I just don't know how the extreme anomaly can be (largely) attributed to anything except bad luck. He had a bad season but he wasn't actively sabotaging his teammate's shots while he was on the ice.

 

[Alflives*]

Ok. Semantics. He's adequate at everything. Not exceptional at anything (other the bruising shins).

He's heavier than average, and has a lot of his weight in his rear-end. He's far better than average at taking hits on the wall to free up the puck for his teammates. There are a lot of little things (that are actually big things) Edler does in his own end that are well above average. We should not trade this player.

 

[leftwinglockdown]

Made some really nice plays to get his goal tonight. I guess that's being average offensively.

 

[tc 23]

Guy's also pretty above average at getting SOG, being consistently among the dmen league leaders in SOG

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

Guy's also pretty above average at getting SOG, being consistently among the dmen league leaders in SOG

Just wish more got in. We're on the right track tonight though.

 

[tc 23]

I was curious so looked at a few more years for on-ice shooting %. Apparently Edler's 2013-2014 season was the only season since its been tracked where a dman with 1000+ minutes has had an on-ice shooting % beginning with 3.

 

[leftwinglockdown]

What a great road trip for this guy. A monster 2 games when the team needed it the most.

 

[vanuck]

Last season, Hockeyanalysis.com has his Corsi For % at 52.4 and Fenwick For % at 51.9. NHL.com has his average shot length at 63 (not sure if any site has average shot distance of on-ice shots for/against).

For comparison's sake, Edler's on-ice shooting % last season was 3.63% (according to Hockeyanalysis.com). Among dmen who played 1000+ mins, 2nd worst on-ice shooting % was 5.29%, followed by 5.46% and 5.48%. The previous season, Edler's on-ice shooting % was 7.12% and the lowest (among dmen who played 500+ mins) was 4.12%. The season before that, Edler's on-ice shooting % was 7.51% and the lowest (among dmen who played 1000+ mins) was 5.24%. It's basically an extreme anomaly for a defenseman to have an on-ice shooting % beginning in the 3's over 1000+ minutes.

Over 800 on-ice shots on goal, the difference between an on-ice shooting % of 3.63% and 7% is 27 goals for.

I just don't know how the extreme anomaly can be (largely) attributed to anything except bad luck. He had a bad season but he wasn't actively sabotaging his teammate's shots while he was on the ice.

Interesting stuff. So much narrative about the effect Torts had and him mentally checking out is tied into his 2013-14 season that it's hard to tell just how much that part supposedly contributed to it. But I don't think he was ever as bad as the GF/GA would seem to indicate - even if he was having a down year in terms of his play I don't think his goal differential could have been that bad. The %'s certainly were unsustainable.

 

[member 202355]

He's good at everything but a master of none.

He's a master at having a huge disparity in his iCorsi relative to his iFenwick.

 

[tc 23]

He's a master at having a huge disparity in his iCorsi relative to his iFenwick.

Same could be said for most other dmen

(Top 30 Dmen for SOG from not too long ago)

 

[NuxFan09]

What a great road trip for this guy. A monster 2 games when the team needed it the most.

My thoughts exactly. Massive weekend for him in which he played like an undisputed #1 guy. If this is him just heating up then that will be a massive boost for the playoffs!

 

[TheWanderer]

5 points in 5 games for Edler

 

[Tim Calhoun]

Edler finished the season with back-to-back 3 points games, and 14 points in the last 14 games.

Nice to see him bounce back offensively as well.

 

[Fa Ci La]

reminder that Edler only won the green jacket last season coz of an insanely unlucky offensive season


Edler last season: On Ice Shooting percentage 3.65% - Goals for 19 Goals against 43
(Before this game) Edler this season: On Ice Shooting percentage 6.39% - Goals For 40 Goals Against 36
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