I am just loathe to have Sogaard in the NHL next year. He has things he needs to work on and he needs games to make those changes stick. He’s close but I really don’t want to ruin him by rushing him.
Player Discussion Alex DeBrincat
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Micklebot
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Goalies are voodoo, I figure you sign a cheap backup like the Hawks did with Stalock if your worried about Sogaard, guys like Copley, Ritich, Stalock, wedgewood, they can provide stability and competition for Mads.
What I'm not up for is clearing space for a one year solution.
JimmySpaetzle
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dmarc
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To me it seems like he isn't sure he wants to commit long term to Ottawa, honestly I'm sure it was a tough year for him personally, massive change from Chi > Ott, very young family and no support system in place, so-so year on the ice.
It's a big decision for him and I don't think the difference is going to be 64 million vs 70 million, it's going to be what his family wants, either way he's about to make generational wealth, the big question is does he want to make it in Canada
Beech
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16 teams that made the playoffs, 16 missed. Their stats are nearly identical
top 10 scoring on those teams; 7 guys on playoff teams were shorter than 5' 10", 6 guys on non playoff teams.
Grand total:
320 players in the top 10 of their team in scoring.
13 were shorter than 5' 10"
~ 24 were at 5' 10"
only 2 guys where in the top 2
only 3 guys were in the top 5
Only one guy, Brad Marchand of Boston is shorter than 5' 10", is a top 5 on his team in scoring and is in the playoffs
5' 7" Alex Debrincat.. And you want to throw 8 x 8 at him????? To get what?????
Who the f, thought that a 6th overall draft pick in a trade.. a 6.4 million 2022/2023 AAV salary. a 9 M true salary. And a 9 M qualifying offer.. is a good idea?
5' 7" !!!!
Has anyone that short done anything in this league the last 20 years? Johnnie Hockey has been one solid playoff bust.. and he is listed at 5' 9"..menaing possibly 5' 8". Still an inch (or more) than Debrincat.
320 guys...3 were in their teams top 10... This is not the Kentucky Derby or F1... As this team improves, so will the checking. So will teams taking them seriously.
top 10 scoring on those teams; 7 guys on playoff teams were shorter than 5' 10", 6 guys on non playoff teams.
Grand total:
320 players in the top 10 of their team in scoring.
13 were shorter than 5' 10"
~ 24 were at 5' 10"
only 2 guys where in the top 2
only 3 guys were in the top 5
Only one guy, Brad Marchand of Boston is shorter than 5' 10", is a top 5 on his team in scoring and is in the playoffs
5' 7" Alex Debrincat.. And you want to throw 8 x 8 at him????? To get what?????
Who the f, thought that a 6th overall draft pick in a trade.. a 6.4 million 2022/2023 AAV salary. a 9 M true salary. And a 9 M qualifying offer.. is a good idea?
5' 7" !!!!
Has anyone that short done anything in this league the last 20 years? Johnnie Hockey has been one solid playoff bust.. and he is listed at 5' 9"..menaing possibly 5' 8". Still an inch (or more) than Debrincat.
320 guys...3 were in their teams top 10... This is not the Kentucky Derby or F1... As this team improves, so will the checking. So will teams taking them seriously.
How many multi season 40 goal season guys are there under 5'10 in the league?
They didn't trade for him for his height, they traded for him in spite of his height.
The guy can play, he had an off year, on a new team with a brand new baby at home.
Imo our top 6 looks way better with him in the lineup than without.
Obviously its prefered to get him under 8 mill if possible, but we don't really have anyone to replace him in the top 6. If he was 7x7 it would help, but you gotta think if he doesn't wanna long term deal with us, he's gone at the draft
Still can't fathom being a professional athlete, and dealing with a newborn when you come home. Cat might finally get a good nights rest in the off season
The first year is insane. Sleep deprivation, an exhausted partner... who knows could even be some post-pardum going on....we really have no idea
Can't be overstated how much of an x factor it can be
But i do know the guy scores goals and competes. Little fella beat the shit outta a giant a few weeks back. Fired the whole team up.
Masked
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If he isn't looking to stay long term, which preferred teams would be able to trade for him and what would they be looking to send back? The biggest needs for the Sens are in goal and on the wing.
Assen na yo!
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Micklebot
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You don't sign a long term deal without your wife's buy in.
Idk if he plans on staying in Ottawa in the offseason but a couple months seeing how the offseason treats him and his family here before they make a decision on if this is a good long term fit or not makes sense.
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I wasn't meaning to push back too much, just an idea of where you thought dollars needed to go.
My main concern is we don't get a good return and we have a band-aid for 1 year when if we could just squeeze a year out tight against the cap we can then be in good shape moving forward.
I agree that DBC and Pinto are about $10M
Forms, JBD & Branny at approx $4M
So a little over $2M for a 7th D and goalie. That could be Kleven/Guenette and Mads.
It isn't ideal but I don't think we ruin Mads if he is a back-up. He will still get plenty of games and practice time but there would be an option of grabbing an older vet for cheap as well.
I don't think the team is ready for a Cup run next season so would rather we get some of our internal bottom 6 guys experience and then look at what we need to do going into the 24/25 season.
Against all odds I really hope we can get Formenton back in the fold.
Just spitballing:
-Wings. Hometown team for Cat, they have assets that we could use (4 1st rounders in the next 2 years), Fabbri, Kubalik, prospects like Soderblometc... Sure Detroit could put together a package
-Quacks have the assets to pull of a trade and surround MacTavish, Zegras, and whomever they draft with someone. Cat would instantly be their best player and they could afford his salary demands.
-Blue Jackets are going to be looking to bounce back. They made signings with the intention to compete, but injuries did them in. 2 first rounders in the draft, loads of young talent, prospects, and current roster guys that they could move as well
Masked
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When looking at this you need to look from the viewpoint of what assets will either make Ottawa better next year or can be traded right away to make Ottawa better next year.
Aside from their first rounders this year, what do the Red Wings have, that they'd be willing to move, that would interest Ottawa? They have little up front or in net.
The Ducks are the same situation except they don't even have first rounders they could give up.
Would Columbus even want him? They have Gaudreau and Johnson on LW already, unless they move Johnson to C. But if they were interested, they do have assets that would make Sens for Ottawa.
Assen na yo!
I reckon from the Wings it'd just be a quantity trade in terms of picks and prospects. One of Boston or NYI's picks, someone like Kubalik/Fabbri who won't fill Cat's production fully, but partially, and a prospect that we can use in a deal a long with saved cap space to address goaltending.
Ducks have a bunch of 2nds, prospects like Mintyukov, and depth guys like Vatrano, etc... Whatever assets we'd get from them could be used for goaltending, but the savings in depth players might also help us get a goalie.
For the BJs, the Jackets might be looking to transition Johnson into C. Roslovic, Kuraly, and they've got some decent picks/prospects that might work out for both sides. Can't imagine Cat wanting to extend in CBJ, but they could definitely use him as a replacement for what they thought Voracek would've provided
Not saying it has to be these teams or specific players, just getting cost controlled top 9 forwards might help.
Ducks have a bunch of 2nds, prospects like Mintyukov, and depth guys like Vatrano, etc... Whatever assets we'd get from them could be used for goaltending, but the savings in depth players might also help us get a goalie.
For the BJs, the Jackets might be looking to transition Johnson into C. Roslovic, Kuraly, and they've got some decent picks/prospects that might work out for both sides. Can't imagine Cat wanting to extend in CBJ, but they could definitely use him as a replacement for what they thought Voracek would've provided
Not saying it has to be these teams or specific players, just getting cost controlled top 9 forwards might help.
BondraTime
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A DBC trade is incredibly awkward for the Sens.
When trading a guy like him, there’s usually 2 set in stone principals.
The team looking to trade him is looking for futures (Hawks last year) the team looking to add him is trying to contend and trade futures (Sens last year).
Moving him now, after giving a big futures laden package less than a year ago including 7th overall, the Sens can’t get a futures based deal. That just doesn’t work, and would be utter incompetence.
A trade of DBC is going to be a stinky, stinky pile. Will be a much lesser player to step in now and some pretty paltry secondary pieces.
The teams looking to trade for him aren’t going to want to trade immediate NHL value, or good young value. It will be trams looking at future based deals.
The value in trading him would be almost entirely in the open cap and salary space, which has a lot of value.
Getting a ~3 million dollar 2nd/3rd liner tweener, late 1st/2nd round pick and a B prospect would be my guess.
When trading a guy like him, there’s usually 2 set in stone principals.
The team looking to trade him is looking for futures (Hawks last year) the team looking to add him is trying to contend and trade futures (Sens last year).
Moving him now, after giving a big futures laden package less than a year ago including 7th overall, the Sens can’t get a futures based deal. That just doesn’t work, and would be utter incompetence.
A trade of DBC is going to be a stinky, stinky pile. Will be a much lesser player to step in now and some pretty paltry secondary pieces.
The teams looking to trade for him aren’t going to want to trade immediate NHL value, or good young value. It will be trams looking at future based deals.
The value in trading him would be almost entirely in the open cap and salary space, which has a lot of value.
Getting a ~3 million dollar 2nd/3rd liner tweener, late 1st/2nd round pick and a B prospect would be my guess.
Not a good quote if you want Debrincat long term. Basically won’t make the decision until he’s taken to arb or gets his QO.
Give me futures and cap space and I’m good. It just needs to be done before the draft and FA.
BondraTime
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Problem is, there is no way the Sens would settle for a Futures deal, they just traded away a 7th, 39th and a 3rd for DBC, there is not a chance in hell that they turn around and trade him for a much lesser futures deal a year later. That would just be admitting that they made a gigantic, gigantic blunder, which I don’t foresee them doing.
If he’s traded, I’d be surprised if it wasn’t for a deal based around something like Jordan Martinook, Jack Drury and a 2nd, or something of that nature. A deal with around those type of parameters.
Serviceable, cheap player for the bottom 6, young, low potential NHLer, and a pick or prospect.
I’m hoping we get a new GM who isn’t tied to the original acquisition cost.
That's kinda looking at things in a vacuum imo
The Sens had a good year. Played meaningful games late in the season giving the core a taste. On the business side, revenues far exceeded budget which has been mentioned in a few instances recently. DeBrincat played a significant role in maturing the PP into a top performing unit.
If he is traded for a future package somewhat less than we gave up, some guys will go ballistic in here. But what value do you assign to the points I made above? And did DeBrincat contribute to that? To a more competitive team that drove increased revenue. To a high end PP?
If the worst case scenario is we move DeBrincat for some futures a little less than what we gave up, recapture and then deploy the cap space elsewhere, and the team matured during his time here....is that all bad?
Micklebot
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I kind of see an opportunity to take a less favourable contract back to increase the futures return, you take a Silverberg back who can play on your third line but is overpriced, and get back better picks. You delay the full extent of the cap relief by a year, but it still gives you some additional flexibility to shore up goal.
DaveMatthew
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If Debrincat isn't re-signed, that's bad news for the future top 6 of this team.
• Giroux is going to be 35 next year. At some point, he'll take a step back.
• After this year, Batherson looks much more like a PP specialist who needs to be sheltered at ES than a top-end guy (aka Mike Hoffman).
• Pinto and Greig are more likely to be 3rd liners
• We didn't have a 1st round pick last year, don't have one this year, and none of Boucher, Ostapchuk, etc project to be offensive players.
We have Stützle and Tkachuk. Norris I think is a safe bet. But after that? A whole lot of question marks.
We have to keep him and not trade him for 50 cents on the dollar.
• Giroux is going to be 35 next year. At some point, he'll take a step back.
• After this year, Batherson looks much more like a PP specialist who needs to be sheltered at ES than a top-end guy (aka Mike Hoffman).
• Pinto and Greig are more likely to be 3rd liners
• We didn't have a 1st round pick last year, don't have one this year, and none of Boucher, Ostapchuk, etc project to be offensive players.
We have Stützle and Tkachuk. Norris I think is a safe bet. But after that? A whole lot of question marks.
We have to keep him and not trade him for 50 cents on the dollar.
SlapJack
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DeBrincat saying he wants to think about his future is the default thing to say when in contract negotiations. Means nothing
Was really hoping that Dorion would be removed as GM before getting to make this decision.
He obviously won't want to admit he made a mistake trading for DeBrincat without even talking extension beforehand. Made a ill-advised gamble and we're going to pay the price.
As difficult as it will be to manage cap-wise, I could see him extending DeBrincat on his 9M QO to kick the can down the road instead of doing the difficult (but neccessary) thing by trading him for a package of futures, even if it will be nowhere close to what we gave up to get him.
He obviously won't want to admit he made a mistake trading for DeBrincat without even talking extension beforehand. Made a ill-advised gamble and we're going to pay the price.
As difficult as it will be to manage cap-wise, I could see him extending DeBrincat on his 9M QO to kick the can down the road instead of doing the difficult (but neccessary) thing by trading him for a package of futures, even if it will be nowhere close to what we gave up to get him.
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