Prospect Info: Aleksander Barkov (signed 7/15/13)
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I love how he comes with variety. In SM-Liiga he wasn't a one-trick pony. He's got a bag of moves. That's really important in the shootout. The more moves in a guy's toolbox the more unpredictable the player. There's footage of him pulling backhands, forsbergs, datsyuks, between the legs, etc.
Can anybody find his shootout % from last season?
There's footage of 3 shootout attempts on youtube. He nearly scored on all 3.
"I have (almost) never just shot the puck."
And he said he watches a lot what Datsyuk does ;P
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Totally different types of players but his hands are really good like Malkin´s. He doesn´t shoot as much though, more like a playmaker.
He did set a new record for finnish U20 league when he scored 4 shootout goals in a row. His most effective move is to the backhand and top corner. It's a simple move but he does it so quickly that goalies have hard time to save it. Last year former NHL goalie Antero Niittymäki injured his groin when he tried to save it.
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in all fairness, Niittymaki probably injures his groin now when he farts.
didn't he have to retire because of his chronic groin problems?
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Now that I've watched loads of Barkov interviews (mostly in Finnish) it really seems that he's quite down to earth kind of guy. Maybe not charismatic, but not an ahole to say the least. And yeah, he does have silky hands, haven't actually seen many of his shootouts in FEL.
Damn I seriously hope that he's going to make an impact in the NHL. Huberdeau and Sasha, once again in fall I have to stay up late to see some Panthers games. And Ducks (Vatanen) games. And Wild (FBJ).
Thank you mother earth or god or whoever's responsible for time zones.
Damn I seriously hope that he's going to make an impact in the NHL. Huberdeau and Sasha, once again in fall I have to stay up late to see some Panthers games. And Ducks (Vatanen) games. And Wild (FBJ).
Thank you mother earth or god or whoever's responsible for time zones.
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Hockey's Future ratings are out:
Seth Jones: 9.0 C
Nathan MacKinnon: 9.0 C
Jonathan Drouin: 9.0 C
Aleksander Barkov: 8.5 C
I believe that was the same rating they gave Huberdeau after he was drafted. Then after another dominate year in juniors; they changed his from 8.5 C to 8.5 B.
Seth Jones: 9.0 C
Nathan MacKinnon: 9.0 C
Jonathan Drouin: 9.0 C
Aleksander Barkov: 8.5 C
I believe that was the same rating they gave Huberdeau after he was drafted. Then after another dominate year in juniors; they changed his from 8.5 C to 8.5 B.
Well, it's not bad actually, you have to remember there's always that "European factor".
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Also, you have to consider how Barkov wasn't even playing in his age bracket last season.
He scored 2 goals out of 10 shots in shootouts. In one game he missed all of his 4 shots.
I think he scored at least once outside shootouts in regular time but I don't have full stats on this.
20 % is relatively poor or average at best but it's probably variation and he'll be able to score something like 4/10 in the long run. He has loads of moves and there were several attemps he outplayed the goalie but missed his shot.
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IIRC it's same as international rules, 3 different shooters first and then whoever you want if the SO is still going after those 3.
Don't like the rule myself.
Three first shooters must be different players, from then on it's sudden death and one player can take every shot for his team.
Since there is so quite here I thought I'd try to make an adjustment of Barkov's SM-liiga stats to represent what kind of production he could have had in a Canadian junior league. The only way for doing it was use of league equivalency numbers. Since I like using the work of others to make life easy I took the numbers from here: http://www.behindthenet.ca/projecting_to_nhl.php So basically what I did was to calculate the ratio of league equivalencies and VOILA multiplying by PPG production I got the Junior production value for Barkov. But then I noticed in that article there was a section of 17 year old production vs 18 years old production in Canadian junior vs the peak NHL production (NHLPPG*2=JuniorPPG(18) and NHLPPG*1.33=JuniorPPG(17)).
Now, I know these numbers aren't thoroughly thought through, so there might be HUGE errors in the high end of the prospects both from Canadian junior and FEL when trying to use the league equivalencies as a parameter. But before you complitely dismiss it, check out the numbers from that article for yourself. You'll notice there definitely is something there.
But anyway here I go.
Barkov PPG FEL 17yo (0.91)
MacKinnon PPG QMJHL 17yo (1.705)
Canadian junior league equivalency (~0.29)
FEL equivalency (~0.54)
"A 17-year-old player with 2 PPG in Junior can expect, on average,
to score 1.5 PPG in the NHL at age 22, while an 18-year-old Junior
doing the same thing has an NHL projection of 1.0 PPG"
So the peak production in NHL is on average 0.75 times the 17yo season production in Canadian Junior. Now, to compare the two, we have to make the bold assumption that this development would be the same for Europeans. So we use league equivalency numbers to adjust Barkov's stats to represent Canadian junior stats:
Barkov in Canadian junior
0.54/0.29*0.91=1.694
So now, how will their offensive prime year production look like:
MacKinnon 1.279PPG (105 points over an 82 game season)
Barkov 1.271PPG (104 points over a season)
EDIT: had to check it for Drouin also:
Interpolating with Drouin's half a year difference in birth date:
0.625*JuniorPPG=NHLPPG
Drouin 1.34PPG (110 points over a season)
If this happens this sure is the best draft ever no
Now, I know these numbers aren't thoroughly thought through, so there might be HUGE errors in the high end of the prospects both from Canadian junior and FEL when trying to use the league equivalencies as a parameter. But before you complitely dismiss it, check out the numbers from that article for yourself. You'll notice there definitely is something there.
But anyway here I go.
Barkov PPG FEL 17yo (0.91)
MacKinnon PPG QMJHL 17yo (1.705)
Canadian junior league equivalency (~0.29)
FEL equivalency (~0.54)
"A 17-year-old player with 2 PPG in Junior can expect, on average,
to score 1.5 PPG in the NHL at age 22, while an 18-year-old Junior
doing the same thing has an NHL projection of 1.0 PPG"
So the peak production in NHL is on average 0.75 times the 17yo season production in Canadian Junior. Now, to compare the two, we have to make the bold assumption that this development would be the same for Europeans. So we use league equivalency numbers to adjust Barkov's stats to represent Canadian junior stats:
Barkov in Canadian junior
0.54/0.29*0.91=1.694
So now, how will their offensive prime year production look like:
MacKinnon 1.279PPG (105 points over an 82 game season)
Barkov 1.271PPG (104 points over a season)
EDIT: had to check it for Drouin also:
Interpolating with Drouin's half a year difference in birth date:
0.625*JuniorPPG=NHLPPG
Drouin 1.34PPG (110 points over a season)
If this happens this sure is the best draft ever no
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^^^^ Those numbers seem very inflated, but if the averages between these three guys stays consistent, I'm even happier with getting Barkov now than I was before. 1 point less than Mack with a much better all-around game is well worth it to me.
Barkov shootout goal from year ago beginning of 12-13 sesaon in european trophy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n23u--MV8CA
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Barkov's shootout ability is second to none compared with guys on our team right now. H & B are our best shootout players because they have above average skill and IceQ. Huberdeau seems to either deke or shoot. Barkov looks like he dekes 99% of the time. But, he dekes lot's of different ways. Remember Pavel Bure on breakways. It was always a deke to the forehand or a deke to the backhand. Barkov sort does the same thing, except he uses deception rather than speed to fool the goalie. My only concern is of course deking to the backhand too often (I.e. #85).
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Actually the numbers I'm most sceptical in are exactly the Barkov ones. There is no movement between FEL and Canadian Junior, so there are no direct equivalency numbers available. I'm quite doubtful of Barkov being a 1.7PPG player in Canadian Junior, but since there is no way of really knowing and these numbers being the only ones to even get a glimpse of what he COULD be, I did this comparison.
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I was looking back at Jokinen's numbers when he was in the FEL at about the same age.. They were pretty impressive too. I guess that's why he was picked so early back then... Kinda scares me.
No comparison. Olli isn't/wasn't nearly as offensively creative that Barkov is nor had the hockey IQ Barkov does.
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I realize that.. But he had 41 points in the FEL his draft year, compared to Barkov's "unbelievable" 48 pts. I'm not saying I don't love Barkov, it's just something to think about..
