Podcast (Audio) After the Whistle

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

They want to do the whole professional media guy thing but neither of them want to do the professional part. Which is perfectly exemplified in Rivet’s ‘apology’. I chose to speak from an informed position, I couldn’t be bothered to be informed, don’t @ me bros.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Haven't listened to the full episode yet but doesn't surprise me petey is complaining about the AAV for Okies contract...

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Haven't followed this whole thread but.... so much hate.

I'll admit - ATW is the only podcast i listen to religiously & I'm a big fan of it, as well as Peters / Rivet.

Some of their takes are (intentionally) hot / OTT. But i love how a bunch of keyboard GMs are so quick to belittle a pair of guys who actually made it to the top of this sport

The Hellebuyck/Levi thing is clearly not going to happen. But the fact remains that Levi is nowhere close to the player Hellebuyck is today - and as much as this fanbase has already anointed him - there's a good chance Levi NEVER reaches that level. So is it really such a hot take - when put in the context of discussing moves which make this team better?

Whenever those guys talk about how over attached Sabres fans are to young players / prospects - i always think of this forum & get a chuckle out of it.

 

[Ace]

Haven't followed this whole thread but.... so much hate.

I'll admit - ATW is the only podcast i listen to religiously & I'm a big fan of it, as well as Peters / Rivet.

Some of their takes are (intentionally) hot / OTT. But i love how a bunch of keyboard GMs are so quick to belittle a pair of guys who actually made it to the top of this sport

The Hellebuyck/Levi thing is clearly not going to happen. But the fact remains that Levi is nowhere close to the player Hellebuyck is today - and as much as this fanbase has already anointed him - there's a good chance Levi NEVER reaches that level. So is it really such a hot take? P

Whenever those guys talk about how over attached Sabres fans are to young players / prospects - i always think of this forum & get a chuckle out of it.

imma stop you right there. Because the Helle/Levi thing isn’t about who the better goalie is in 2023. It’s about who the better goalie is from 2028 - 2038. When Levi is fully developed and Helle is 35 x- reitred.

you want to trade a top goalie prospect for a 30 year old who is one year away from getting paid 9-10 million per year on a contract that goes so far past his prime its ridiculous? Well…I’ve got just the podcast for you. You’ll learn all kind of heights and weights and nothing about value.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

imma stop you right there. Because the Helle/Levi thing isn’t about who the better goalie is in 2023. It’s about who the better goalie is from 2028 - 2038. When Levi is fully developed and Helle is 35 x- reitred.

you want to trade a top goalie prospect for a 30 year old who is one year away from getting paid 9-10 million per year on a contract that goes so far past his prime its ridiculous? Well…I’ve got just the podcast for you. You’ll learn all kind of heights and weights and nothing about value.

Coming from the undisputed king of hot takes...

- I didn't say i personally want to make the move nor did i comment on the value.

- IIRC they mentioned the rumour (it came from elsewhere) & then discussed it in the context of a move which makes this team better next year... which it undoubtedly does.

- Again IIRC both guys (certainly Petey did) said they WOULDN'T trade for him if the extension cost that much.

- Last but not least.... You display the classic Stockholm syndrome of only caring about five years down the line at the expense of the present. When 2028 rolls around - I'm sure you will spend all your time prioritising/worrying about 2033. It's f***ing pathetic.

 

[Jacob582]

This was a comedy bit Andrew Peters put out to bust on Rivet.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Haven't followed this whole thread but.... so much hate.

I'll admit - ATW is the only podcast i listen to religiously & I'm a big fan of it, as well as Peters / Rivet.

Some of their takes are (intentionally) hot / OTT. But i love how a bunch of keyboard GMs are so quick to belittle a pair of guys who actually made it to the top of this sport

The Hellebuyck/Levi thing is clearly not going to happen. But the fact remains that Levi is nowhere close to the player Hellebuyck is today - and as much as this fanbase has already anointed him - there's a good chance Levi NEVER reaches that level. So is it really such a hot take - when put in the context of discussing moves which make this team better?

Whenever those guys talk about how over attached Sabres fans are to young players / prospects - i always think of this forum & get a chuckle out of it.

I listen to them regularly also. Probably more than any other sabres related podcast (Having 3-4 pods a week probably has something to do with that) but I enjoyed them on WRG also. I was excited to see them make the decision going the podcast route because it would allow them to tell it how it is and not have to hold back there opinions.

Of course they're going to have hot takes like anyone else but I do enjoy most of there input and the guest they have on the pod. I do think they should have a producer of some sort just to help keep them on track or to fact check stuff.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I listen to them regularly also. Probably more than any other sabres related podcast (Having 3-4 pods a week probably has something to do with that) but I enjoyed them on WRG also. I was excited to see them make the decision going the podcast route because it would allow them to tell it how it is and not have to hold back there opinions.

Of course they're going to have hot takes like anyone else but I do enjoy most of there input and the guest they have on the pod. I do think they should have a producer of some sort just to help keep them on track or to fact check stuff.

I kinda enjoy the 'unprofessional' nature of it TBH. Especially when they're with Roenick.

I do wish they'd get more of the random guests like Daniel Negreanu or Ryan Leaf though.

This was a comedy bit Andrew Peters put out to bust on Rivet.

The thing that gets me is that they never actually played together. With the relationship they have - you'd assume they were team mates going back all those years.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

I kinda enjoy the 'unprofessional' nature of it TBH. Especially when they're with Roenick.

I do wish they'd get more of the random guests like Daniel Negreanu or Ryan Leaf though.

I know most hate him and I dont align with most of his political views but JR provides solid input on the business side of the NHL and tells some amazing stories.

And I do agree that they need to bring back the guest/interview portion of the podcast. I loved the Sopel interview

 

[Rowley Birkin]

I know most hate him and I dont align with most of his political views but JR provides solid input on the business side of the NHL and tells some amazing stories.

And I do agree that they need to bring back the guest/interview portion of the podcast. I loved the Sopel interview

I could listen to JRs stories/anecdotes for hours on end. Or from any of the guys TBH.

You learn a lot of things about former Sabres players/staff from the stuff they say that you wouldn't otherwise know - eg Pominville being stingy, Vanek being overly generous, Regier being a total asshole, etc. And confirmation of some other stuff you kinda already knew like Derek Roy's personality, Ruff being a hard coach on floaters, etc.

Rather listen to that - than some high brow twat tell me how much more he thinks he knows about hockey than i do - which seems to be the majority of other podcasts out there....

 

[Ace]

I understand everything I need to about why you think it's a good show now.

Who cares if they know what they're talking about. JR is here to peddle Damar Hamlin conspiracy theories and blame whatever he thinks woke culture is!

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

Haven't followed this whole thread but.... so much hate.

I'll admit - ATW is the only podcast i listen to religiously & I'm a big fan of it, as well as Peters / Rivet.

Some of their takes are (intentionally) hot / OTT. But i love how a bunch of keyboard GMs are so quick to belittle a pair of guys who actually made it to the top of this sport

The Hellebuyck/Levi thing is clearly not going to happen. But the fact remains that Levi is nowhere close to the player Hellebuyck is today - and as much as this fanbase has already anointed him - there's a good chance Levi NEVER reaches that level. So is it really such a hot take - when put in the context of discussing moves which make this team better?

Whenever those guys talk about how over attached Sabres fans are to young players / prospects - i always think of this forum & get a chuckle out of it.

Phil housley made it to the top of his sport, fell on his face as a coach. Being a top athlete =\= knowledgeable. Being a public figure =\= free from criticism. Blind support =\= you being right. Professionalism is not built in, it’s a separate skill entirely.

And

Rivet and Peters, are now just another couple of keyboard warriors.

 

[dire wolf]

The problem with Rivet and Peters isn't that they have hot takes. It's that they proudly don't do their homework and often have no idea what they are talking about. If they were better informed and had controversial opinions, I'd be fine with that. They also repeat themselves ad nauseum. Rivet sometimes makes good general points -- usually related to the need for role players and the importance of team bonding. I'll give him a little credit for that. But he also has so little knowledge about so many players, advanced stats, salary cap issues, CBA rules, prospects, etc. Not to mention the fact that a hockey "professional" won't take the time to even try to correctly pronounce people's names. As he would say, it's "extremely irritating."

 

[debaser66]

I understand everything I need to about why you think it's a good show now.

Who cares if they know what they're talking about. JR is here to peddle Damar Hamlin conspiracy theories and blame whatever he thinks woke culture is!

these Chinese and there wok culture

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Phil housley made it to the top of his sport, fell on his face as a coach. Being a top athlete =\= knowledgeable. Being a public figure =\= free from criticism. Blind support =\= you being right. Professionalism is not built in, it’s a separate skill entirely.

And

Rivet and Peters, are now just another couple of keyboard warriors.

The fact that both guys made it as professionals for many years - in Rivet's case a particularly long successful career where he became a well respected leader league wide.... Gives them an insight that you, I or anyone else here simply can't have.

 

[Push Dr Tracksuit]

The fact that both guys made it as professionals for many years - in Rivet's case a particularly long successful career where he became a well respected leader league wide.... Gives them an insight that you, I or anyone else here simply can't have.

Sure does. And time and time again the real world has shown that doesn’t translate to having informed opinions about roster management, player development, cap management, or physical development.

But what insight do they actually even have anymore? Did they come up in the video game and technology era? How much do they know about the science of recovery? Would they even fit in to a modern locker room dominated by emojis and social media? If I want to know why it’s like to come up in a turn of the century locker, I’ll listen to what they have to say. But my personal experience as a 37 yr working with 24yr olds says more likely than not their insights are no longer relevant to the modern locker. The podcast equivalent to a 2006 Darien Hatcher.

What I do know is that neither puts in the work to provide an informed basis to make their opinions.

 

[rtfirefly]

Today's Steve Dangle podcast (narcissistic and moronic to the point—almost—of being pathetic) makes Peters' and Rivet's Bevis and Butthead act seem, in comparison, like Kenneth Clark speaking to Alistair Cooke.

 

[HOOats]

Peters said on today's ep he'd trade Mittelstadt for Adam Lowry "in a heartbeat." That's all for now.

 

[Zman5778]

Peters said on today's ep he'd trade Mittelstadt for Adam Lowry "in a heartbeat." That's all for now.

Prior to Quinn's injury, I think it'd be a deal worth considering. Lowry is a pretty gosh-darned ideal 3rd line center. Wins 50% of his faceoffs, good on the PK, solid defensively, not a black hole offensively and has some grit to his game.

That said, with Quinn hurt........I'm counting on Mitts to fill in for him offensively.

 

[HOOats]

Prior to Quinn's injury, I think it'd be a deal worth considering. Lowry is a pretty gosh-darned ideal 3rd line center. Wins 50% of his faceoffs, good on the PK, solid defensively, not a black hole offensively and has some grit to his game.

That said, with Quinn hurt........I'm counting on Mitts to fill in for him offensively.

I hear that argument. I just think Mitts can offer some of the same things while being a 60 point player instead of a 30 point player. Also don't like trading a guy just entering his prime for a guy 5.5 years older about to exit his prime.

 

[TehDoak]

Prior to Quinn's injury, I think it'd be a deal worth considering. Lowry is a pretty gosh-darned ideal 3rd line center. Wins 50% of his faceoffs, good on the PK, solid defensively, not a black hole offensively and has some grit to his game.

That said, with Quinn hurt........I'm counting on Mitts to fill in for him offensively.

That is an easy yes. Quinn had 37 points last year. Lowry is signed for 3 more years reasonably.

Improves the PK, improves our faceoffs, makes the 3rd line a functional matchup line.

 

[TehDoak]

I hear that argument. I just think Mitts can offer some of the same things

Mitts:

- Doesn't play the PK
- Horrible at faceoffs
- Needs high Ozone starts to produce.

Lowry:

- Plays. the PK
- Decent at faceoffs
- Takes mostly d-zone starts

while being a 60 point player instead of a 30 point player

Again, Mittelstadt is a good offfensive player and an average to below average defensive player. Lowry is basically the opposite of that, good defensive player with OK offense.

. Also don't like trading a guy just entering his prime for a guy 5.5 years older about to exit his prime.

Lowry is signed 3 more years at 3M per. Mittelstadt is at least going to be 4+ on his next contract and that will take him well outside his prime age.

 

[HOOats]

Mitts:

- Doesn't play the PK
- Horrible at faceoffs
- Needs high Ozone starts to produce.

I think Mitts should develop into secondary PKer still. And I couldn't care less about faceoffs, between not being an individual stat and not really mattering.

Lowry is signed 3 more years at 3M per. Mittelstadt is at least going to be 4+ on his next contract and that will take him well outside his prime age.

Mitts' next contract will be 3-5 years, all prime years, taking him to the age that Lowry currently is, exiting his prime. Can't have it both ways.

Now Krebs for Lowry, we can talk.

 

[joshjull]

Prior to Quinn's injury, I think it'd be a deal worth considering. Lowry is a pretty gosh-darned ideal 3rd line center. Wins 50% of his faceoffs, good on the PK, solid defensively, not a black hole offensively and has some grit to his game.

That said, with Quinn hurt........I'm counting on Mitts to fill in for him offensively.

It’s a bad idea even with Quinn healthy. Part of the reason why you already posted. He can fill in for Quinn, he already filled in for Tage, etc. He can play anywhere on the top 2 lines as an injury fill in and in some of them as a regular ( if they chose to mix things up). That is valuable and something Lowry can‘t do.

It would be nice to add Lowry but not with an overpayment like this. Thats bad asset management. It’s also debatable if this trade it makes us much better. It fills one need while taking away a key forward depth piece.

Obviously adding Lowry and keeping Mitts would clearly be a big upgrade to the NHL roster. Thats where they could try to use their forward prospects to make a deal.

 

[Jim Bob]

I may need to listen to this one just to hear the rest of this as this is one of my pet peeves.