Adam Johnson passed away after accident during game - Mod edit: Do not post the incident in the forum

[66-30-33]

I couldn't disagree more, there's no way that the guy had any intention of doing that. Also, there hasn't been a precedent set to define what actually should or shouldn't happen. But to prosecute the guy seems rather ridiculous. We could play another 50 years of hockey and that sorta thing wouldn't happen again.

He didn't mean to kill him, but it did happen. You don't agree people should face consequences for their actions regardless?

 

[Fordy]

I couldn't disagree more, there's no way that the guy had any intention of doing that. Also, there hasn't been a precedent set to define what actually should or shouldn't happen. But to prosecute the guy seems rather ridiculous. We could play another 50 years of hockey and that sorta thing wouldn't happen again.

well yeah, it's literally unprecedented, so i don't know why people were so confident nothing legal was going to come from it

 

[Ryder71]

He didn't mean to kill him, but it did happen. You don't agree people should face consequences for their actions regardless?

In most situations absolutely! But this is a freak accident in a sporting event sanctioned by some sort of low level hockey league in the United Kingdom. I can see a civil suit more than a criminal inquiry. I'm sure the guy didn't wake up that morning or had any pre mediated plan. If he was under the influence like for example a drunk driver, well, then yes because there is a precedent there.

well yeah, it's literally unprecedented, so i don't know why people were so confident nothing legal was going to come from it

How do you aptly adjudicate it? As there's no precedent. It was a freak accident. That should be the end of it. Unfortunate to be sure, but not a criminal offense.

 

[Fordy]

In most situations absolutely! But this is a freak accident in a sporting event sanctioned by some sort of low level hockey league in the United Kingdom. I can see a civil suit more than a criminal inquiry. I'm sure the guy didn't wake up that morning or had any pre mediated plan. If he was under the influence like for example a drunk driver, well, then yes because there is a precedent there.


How do you aptly adjudicate it? As there's no precedent. It was a freak accident. That should be the end of it. Unfortunate to be sure, but not a criminal offense.

it’s not the end of it if they decide to bring charges in which case it will be adjudicated in court

 

[Ryder71]

it’s not the end of it if they decide to bring charges in which case it will be adjudicated in court

Bring charges for what exactly? It was a freak accident in a sanctioned sporting event.

 

[66-30-33]

In most situations absolutely! But this is a freak accident in a sporting event sanctioned by some sort of low level hockey league in the United Kingdom. I can see a civil suit more than a criminal inquiry. I'm sure the guy didn't wake up that morning or had any pre mediated plan. If he was under the influence like for example a drunk driver, well, then yes because there is a precedent there.


How do you aptly adjudicate it? As there's no precedent. It was a freak accident. That should be the end of it. Unfortunate to be sure, but not a criminal offense.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, my stance aint changing.

 

[Ryder71]

Unless they can show intent then this is a nothing burger IMO.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree, my stance aint changing.

I don't even know what your stance is. lol

 

[orby]

Bring charges for what exactly? It was a freak accident in a sanctioned sporting event.

As I understand it, accidents can still be considered manslaughter if the person involved is found to have been criminally negligent.

 

[Fordy]

Bring charges for what exactly? It was a freak accident in a sanctioned sporting event.

it’s literally just manslaughter. intent has nothing to do with it as i doubt they could ever prove intentional manslaughter, but i could absolutely see unintentional

 

[Ryder71]

it’s literally just manslaughter

I know that, my question was rhetorical. I think because the powers that be wanna safe face and because it's in the public eye they're likely giving in to pressure. But that's not how such things should be dealt with (public pressure).

 

[66-30-33]

Unless they can show intent then this is a nothing burger IMO.


I don't even know what your stance is. lol

That I agree with what is happening to him because no matter what you should face some sort of consequence for your actions as a human being. He didn't mean to kill him with his skate, he was trying to hit him in some sort of weird fashion (I guess using his leg) but he brought it too high and did the unthinkable. I'd want justice too if he was part of my family.

 

[Ryder71]

As I understand it, accidents can still be considered manslaughter if the person involved is found to have been criminally negligent.

I'm not so sure that's negligent. UNLESS that particular player had past or previous warnings along those lines. And obviously those sorts of things would be documented.

 

[Andy99]

So in criminal law in the US if you commit an act willfully (meaning you deliberately throw your leg in the air, as opposed to, let’s say, you have a seizure and your leg kicks out, or someone else pushes you into a position that caused your leg to extend) and it’s reasonably foreseeable that someone else is around in a position where they could get struck by your leg, then you are criminally liable, at minimum for felony assault or battery…that’s the only intent necessary

 

[Fordy]

I know that, my question was rhetorical. I think because the powers that be wanna safe face and because it's in the public eye they're likely giving in to pressure. But that's not how such things should be dealt with (public pressure).

all the public pressure i see is in the opposite direction. anything online that gets too many people supporting the arrest gets locked, the family’s statement basically went ignored… the entire crowd at the game yesterday cheering for the guy that killed him during the memorial? it’s completely bizarre

 

[Ryder71]

That I agree with what is happening to him because no matter what you should face some sort of consequence for your actions as a human being. He didn't mean to kill him with his skate, he was trying to hit him in some sort of weird fashion (I guess using his leg) but he brought it too high and did the unthinkable. I'd want justice too if he was part of my family.

If the guy has A conscience I'm sure living with the fact he took someone's life isn't easy. But beyond that if say in a civil proceeding he was ordered to pay restitution to his family, that'd be great! 100% for it!

 

[Ugene Magic]

Unless they can show intent then this is a nothing burger IMO.


I don't even know what your stance is. lol

They can show intent to dramatically change his course to reach for a play that wasn't there. While I don't believe he should serve time, but that's not for me to decide, but within the game reaching and causing injury or in this case a death, he should be culpable for what is a penalty. Nobody in their right mind would say he intended to injure and kill him, but his actions did bring that result. It was an awkward play he should never had reached for. He 100% intended on impeding him.

 

[Ryder71]

So in criminal law in the US if you commit an act willfully (meaning you deliberately throw your leg in the air, as opposed to, let’s say, you have a seizure and your leg kicks out, or someone else pushes you into a position that caused your leg to extend) and it’s reasonably foreseeable that someone else is around in a position where they could get struck by your leg, then you are criminally liable, at minimum for felony assault or battery…that’s the only intent necessary

I don't necessarily believe that's what happened, it was a follow through to a hit I believe. I don't see it as a player who purposely through his leg up in the air like that. At best it's murky.

 

[66-30-33]

If the guy has A conscience I'm sure living with the fact he took someone's life isn't easy. But beyond that if say in a civil proceeding he was ordered to pay restitution to his family, that'd be great! 100% for it!

If the family get justice in some way and he did not get any jail time I would agree with the result. I'm pretty much for the Johnson family so whatever they decide I'll be fine with it.

 

[Ryder71]

They can show intent to dramatically change his course to reach for a play that wasn't there. While I don't believe he should serve time, but that's not for me to decide, but within the game reaching and causing injury or in this case a death, he should be culpable for what is a penalty. Nobody in their right mind would say he intended to injure and kill him, but his actions did bring that result. It was an awkward play he should never had reached for. He 100% intended on impeding him.

Impeding him isn't a criminal offense though. And yes it was ''awkward''. I see it as a one off once in a billion type circumstance. Now, if the player in question has a history of such recklessness with his skates then you might have something.

 

[Ugene Magic]

Impeding him isn't a criminal offense though. And yes it was ''awkward''. I see it as a one off once in a billion type circumstance. Now, if the player in question has a history of such recklessness with his skates then you might have something.

He does. In how he uses his legs reaching.

 

[Ryder71]

If the family get justice in some way and he did not get any jail time I would agree with the result. I'm pretty much for the Johnson family so whatever they decide I'll be fine with it.

I'm 100% for a civil suit.

He does.

Well, if that's the case than that's a different story. I wasn't aware that he has been careless with his skates in the air other than this incident.

 

[Ryder71]

If there's conclusive evidence to suggest this player was reckless beyond this incident, and or possibly received (in some form or fashion) a reprimand from the league, fines or suspensions than that's a completely different story.

 

[Ugene Magic]

I'm 100% for a civil suit.


Well, if that's the case than that's a different story. I wasn't aware that he has been careless with his skates in the air other than this incident.

That is the best course.

 

[Ryder71]

I'll put it this way, if the guy in question was like Sidney Crosby, who played the game the right way that's decidedly different than say a Matt Cooke or Chris Simon.

 

[Jumptheshark]

As someone who has lived in the UK for 25 years... what happened today is standard operating procedure here in the UK. Because it was a work place death--everyone knew this was going to happen