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Fiji Water said:
Not a good look for Petgrave...

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Really? I'm a long way from seeing this as anything but a freak accident and the guy is undoubtedly feeling incredibly awful that it happened. There's no evidence that he's some unique maniac and the people who want to pile on or go digging for a "pattern" (that highlight is a dime a dozen) are way off base.

I don't think we need to import Twitter here.
 
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blindpass said:
Really? I'm a long way from seeing this as anything but a freak accident and the guy is undoubtedly feeling incredibly awful that it happened. There's no evidence that he's some unique maniac and the people who want to pile on or go digging for a "pattern" (that highlight is a dime a dozen) are way off base.

I don't think we need to import Twitter here.
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Did you actually watch the clip I posted? It shows him during his OHL days recklessly swinging his leg in the air and tripping his opponent in a similar manner as what he did to Adam Johnson
 
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Buddy Bizarre said:
I hope that the player who caused the injury is seeking help. I could not imagine being in his shoes right now.

Reminds me of the girl in Cbus who died. Sports Illustrated put the player who shot the puck on their front cover as if he was at fault.. Just a disgusting display of "journalism"
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The player in question was suspended in 2018 in the ECHL for slewfooting

I have no interest in seeing the video but many who have say although there was no intent to slit the opponent's throat, this was no accident
 
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So does anyone think this is deserving of jail time? just curious. Accident from wrecklessness or not, someone still died. If it was done via vehicle it would be called vehicle manslaughter.
 
66-30-33 said:
So does anyone think this is deserving of jail time? just curious. Accident from wrecklessness or not, someone still died. If it was done via vehicle it would be called vehicle manslaughter.
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He deserves to suffer internally,,.... he should feel very guilty that his selfish reckless play caused someone to lose their life. Hopefully it makes evolve into a much better person.

Sports are that weird spot where you can legally be reckless, endangering someone else.
 
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66-30-33 said:
So does anyone think this is deserving of jail time? just curious. Accident from wrecklessness or not, someone still died. If it was done via vehicle it would be called vehicle manslaughter.
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No. Contact sports are inherently dangerous, whereas the car example is not necessarily inherently dangerous. I dont think the video really shows anything that isn't sort of happening on every other play.



I don't know how law works in England. Maybe you guys have less burden of proof.

But in the US, i would highly doubt a jury finds for the plaintiff in a criminal proceeding.
 
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Fiji Water said:
Did you actually watch the clip I posted? It shows him during his OHL days recklessly swinging his leg in the air and tripping his opponent in a similar manner as what he did to Adam Johnson
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I did. The clip was nothing similar at all and doesn't seem like it was even called a penalty.

It needs to be investigated, of course, but from just the video we've seen it seems reckless for people to call it intentional.

Coastal Kev said:
He deserves to suffer internally,,.... he should feel very guilty that his selfish reckless play caused someone to lose their life. Hopefully it makes evolve into a much better person.
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No doubt he is suffering plenty without the social media pile on.
 
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Fiji Water said:
Not a good look for Petgrave...

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You need to be very close to the other guy to trip him like this. It's not reasonable to think Petgrave was trying to trip Johnson. It's more likely he was going for a hip check lost his balance and recklessly put his skate up to avoid falling.
 
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Mike C said:
The player in question was suspended in 2018 in the ECHL for slewfooting

I have no interest in seeing the video but many who have say although there was no intent to slit the opponent's throat, this was no accident
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I saw the video, it looks intentional to me. Calling it a freak accident is just a cop out for what really happened.
 
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I feel for Petgrave. His life is probably ruined. He can't go on social media anymore, probably can't play hockey anymore from the trauma of the incident, and he's gonna get shit for this for the rest of his life.
 
I mean on the video I saw and I have seen others commeting on this as well the kicking motion he does is impossible to explain. When you lose your balance and fall why would you do that motion with your leg, he's kicking it straight out with agressive force as well and this is most likely why Adam died. We have seen accidents like this before and they are incredibly nasty but getting your throat clipped by a skate is very different from getting kicked straight in the throat with brute force by a sharp blade.

The kick was so hard it cut the guys artery you can even see on the video the amount of blood he lost within only 10 seconds was so much that is was practically impossible to save the guy, his fate was already sealed. Sorry but I can't find anyway to explain how this was an ''accident'' Seems to me the other skater done a severe reckless/incautious action and sadly it lead to the death of another person.

Now I am sure of course he never ever thought that this would be the outcome but regardless it was an incredibly dumb thing to do and his ''history'' of reckless plays certainly does not help him.
 
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frig that dude is mental, why kick someone in the head like that

Whats the thought process?
This guy is setting a pick on me! so im gonna leap over and ninja kick this other mofo in the head!
 
https://nitter.net/NewXPosterity/status/1720211642342936677#m

JUST IN: The family of hockey player Adam Johnson who got slashed in the neck by a skate, is furious at Matt Petgrave for Johnson's death. Kari Johnson, the aunt, called Petgrave's actions "reckless" and said she wants "justice" for what happened to her nephew. "It was very reckless. I just want them [police] to get it right. We are looking for justice for Adam." "You don't take your leg and kick somebody and cut their throat. I'm sorry. We were watching the game in real time and we did witness what happened. Horrific is the word to describe." "My nephew was 6-feet tall, and whether you lost your balance or not, to have that leg come up that high and do a kicking motion like he did, that is just unacceptable. I think the actions were unnecessary. It was just unnecessary. Nobody touched him. I've watched that video hundreds of times." "I'm sure Mr. Petgrave probably didn't even think about the consequences could be of that happening, but there comes a time when you have to realize, that's not hockey." "He took our boy. There are a few of us in the family that think it was a totally unnecessary, very, very bad action to take." Kari Johnson also spoke out about how Johnson's parents are coping with the incident. "As far as his dad, my brother, he's just been a mess. Along with Adam's grandma and Adam's brother and myself." "I would have to say his mother has probably been the strongest of us. But I don't know deep down inside if she's in shock or crying when she's alone. She's just been very strong." Wow.
 
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Coastal Kev said:
https://nitter.net/NewXPosterity/status/1720211642342936677#m

JUST IN: The family of hockey player Adam Johnson who got slashed in the neck by a skate, is furious at Matt Petgrave for Johnson's death. Kari Johnson, the aunt, called Petgrave's actions "reckless" and said she wants "justice" for what happened to her nephew. "It was very reckless. I just want them [police] to get it right. We are looking for justice for Adam." "You don't take your leg and kick somebody and cut their throat. I'm sorry. We were watching the game in real time and we did witness what happened. Horrific is the word to describe." "My nephew was 6-feet tall, and whether you lost your balance or not, to have that leg come up that high and do a kicking motion like he did, that is just unacceptable. I think the actions were unnecessary. It was just unnecessary. Nobody touched him. I've watched that video hundreds of times." "I'm sure Mr. Petgrave probably didn't even think about the consequences could be of that happening, but there comes a time when you have to realize, that's not hockey." "He took our boy. There are a few of us in the family that think it was a totally unnecessary, very, very bad action to take." Kari Johnson also spoke out about how Johnson's parents are coping with the incident. "As far as his dad, my brother, he's just been a mess. Along with Adam's grandma and Adam's brother and myself." "I would have to say his mother has probably been the strongest of us. But I don't know deep down inside if she's in shock or crying when she's alone. She's just been very strong." Wow.
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Petgrave should never play pro hockey again... walk away and find another path. A round house kick to the throat, killing a player should be enough. I am supportive of a police investigation... there are many, many people who have been around this game a long time that can tell you there was nothing normal, nor without some level of intent, in that play.
 
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Coastal Kev said:
https://nitter.net/NewXPosterity/status/1720211642342936677#m

JUST IN: The family of hockey player Adam Johnson who got slashed in the neck by a skate, is furious at Matt Petgrave for Johnson's death. Kari Johnson, the aunt, called Petgrave's actions "reckless" and said she wants "justice" for what happened to her nephew. "It was very reckless. I just want them [police] to get it right. We are looking for justice for Adam." "You don't take your leg and kick somebody and cut their throat. I'm sorry. We were watching the game in real time and we did witness what happened. Horrific is the word to describe." "My nephew was 6-feet tall, and whether you lost your balance or not, to have that leg come up that high and do a kicking motion like he did, that is just unacceptable. I think the actions were unnecessary. It was just unnecessary. Nobody touched him. I've watched that video hundreds of times." "I'm sure Mr. Petgrave probably didn't even think about the consequences could be of that happening, but there comes a time when you have to realize, that's not hockey." "He took our boy. There are a few of us in the family that think it was a totally unnecessary, very, very bad action to take." Kari Johnson also spoke out about how Johnson's parents are coping with the incident. "As far as his dad, my brother, he's just been a mess. Along with Adam's grandma and Adam's brother and myself." "I would have to say his mother has probably been the strongest of us. But I don't know deep down inside if she's in shock or crying when she's alone. She's just been very strong." Wow.
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Could not imagine being at the game and seeing your family member on the ice like that. Horrific
 
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PanniniClaus said:
Petgrave should never play pro hockey again... walk away and find another path. A round house kick to the throat, killing a player should be enough. I am supportive of a police investigation... there are many, many people who have been around this game a long time that can tell you there was nothing normal, nor without some level of intent, in that play.
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Has he played since?

Just remembered he was invited to WB/S AHL camp around like 2017
 
blindpass said:
That thread has many examples of skates going dangerously high.
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Most are not intently to prevent the player with the puck from skating.

He held up and stuck his leg out. This wasn't in a intent to kill or cut his throat, the intent was to impede Adam due to having the puck. This was reckless, and it got worse when his right skate hits Adams skates. That's 100% a penalty, which is worthy of a suspension if there's a injury due to a clear penalty. The game didn't get to finish so there were no penalties handed out. Had it gone on without serious injury it would/should be a penalty.

Now what do you do when a clear penalty leads to a death?

He should 100% not be allowed to play hockey again. Not just for sake of punishment, but for his own well being of being able to move on in life. Something Adam doesn't get that choice because of his bad choice he should be accountable for.

At worst, he may get in a civil lawsuit. But he won't serve time because he wasn't looking to kill him, that's just the result of his reckless play. One that is pretty compelling from the video. Grainy/blurred and all plus his history of how he plays the game.

I don't feel for Petgrave other than it may end up costing him the rest of life dealing with it. But he did the act and should be reduced reliving it in civil court.

This should also be example A: Why reaching for plays that are not there are a bad choice because, generally it's the other person who suffers for your bad decision.
 
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