Value of: Adam Henrique at 50% retained

DavidBL

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Just for a point of reference, Rico is ranked 88th of all forwards in the NHL in GPG over the last 3 years for player with 80 more games played. IIRC it was .31 GPG which is a 25 goal pace. In PPG he ranks lower at 139 but solidly in top 6 territory based solely on production That is on a team that has finished second to last, 23rd overall and is looking to set records in futility this year during that span.
 
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John Mandalorian

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Just for a point of reference, Rico is ranked 88th of all forwards in the NHL in GPG over the last 3 years for player with 80 more games played. IIRC it was .31 GPG which is a 25 goal pace. In PPG he ranks lower at 139 but solidly in top 6 territory based solely on production That is on a team that has finished second to last, 23rd overall and is looking to set records in futility this year during that span.
I hope you're not posting this because someone said he's not a top 6 player on a good team. That comment has kind of been marginalized by this point. People/fans/teams are interested in him because they know he's a good player.
 

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I hope you're not posting this because someone said he's not a top 6 player on a good team. That comment has kind of been marginalized by this point. People/fans/teams are interested in him because they know he's a good player.
Fair enough. Like I said, just a point of reference of what exactly he has accomplished in the last 3 years.
 

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I'm not interested in him...which usually means we get em.

How's a 2nd + Prospect sound? Lol
At 50% retention for 2 playoff runs, that prospect better be pretty good. Otherwise, it needs to be a 1st (and the Ducks can take back a short-term cap dump, too.) Considering you say you aren't interested in him, I'm assuming you won't like that valuation.
 

John Mandalorian

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At 50% retention for 2 playoff runs, that prospect better be pretty good. Otherwise, it needs to be a 1st (and the Ducks can take back a short-term cap dump, too.) Considering you say you aren't interested in him, I'm assuming you won't like that valuation.
What about this: the Avs 1st in 2023 + Eric Johnson. 50% retention (for Henrique). If Henrique falls below .50 ppg during the 2nd season, you cede your 2024 2nd round pick to the Avs?
 

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What about this: the Avs 1st in 2023 + Eric Johnson. 50% retention (for Henrique). If Henrique falls below .50 ppg during the 2nd season, you cede your 2024 2nd round pick to the Avs?
It's not a bad offer, though I would not be willing to do the conditional pick (maybe I'd be willing to make it a 4th instead of a 2nd, but I honestly don't think this pick is necessary).
 

Adam da bomb

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Does it matter? The only rule is no picks that are conditional on re/signing, no?
I’m not saying I hate it. I’m just curious.

The Neal-Lucic trade had a condition based on total amount of goals scored. I imagine PPG is also possible.
Yes but in that case isn’t it usually about a pick getting bumped up? I’ve rarely seen clauses where the seller has to pay back or pick gets pushed backwards it would be an interesting precedent I like it.
 

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A first seems like aiming a bit high but if he’s fully retained I’m also not gonna say Ducks fans are off their rocker for suggesting it given that you’ll have him for 2 post-season runs. He’s having a bang up year but he’s at the age where next year - it would be perfectly natural to suggest he’s got some regression coming.

Ultimately I think teams are saving 2023 1sts - either period because of the strength of the draft or only out there for the big fish names. So I suspect ultimately Henrique’s package may look something akin to what Manson got. But that’s just a guess.

I don't agree with the valuation, but this is a very reasonable post. The thing is that if the potential return ends up being Manson-like, then I would prefer the ducks keep him and trade him next year or in the offseason when . . . I think they would also get at minimum a Manson-like return.

Not super worried about regression. He turns 33 next week and his game translates pretty well to aging (high IQ, solid at faceoffs, able to PK, defensively responsible). And he's a good character guy.
 

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Henrique seems like an ideal winger for one of Hughes or Barzal. Vast improvement in the faceoff dot if you let him take over the bulk of the faceoff duties, and obviously proven as a scorer.
 

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Prompted by some discussion on the Ducks forum. Would he be more valuable this deadline with term or next as a pure rental?

I could see him being valuable to a team like the Leafs who have needed a top 6 LW or upgrade at 3C for a while. He is a well rounded player who is pretty much money in the bank to pace out for at least 20 goals a season. Which is very surprising considering he has always been on rather lame teams through no fault of his own. Only 2 playoff births in his career, would be cool to see him get 2 or 3 chances to end his career.

Anyways what would you estimate his value to be this deadline. Is it possible he could bring back a first?

He'd be a perfect fit on the Leafs, I don't think he brings back a 1st though, because you still got Kane, Towes, Meier, ROR, Chychrun etc. who will all get 1sts.

Although he isn't a rental so MAYBE Dubas does it but I doubt it
 

LEAFANFORLIFE23

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he will not bring back a 1st even at 50% with 2+ yrs left.

eho has $3M in open cap space? Subeditor if you take back a horrrndous contract back you might have takers.

thr other issue is because his real money= cap hit…bringing in another team to retain will cost more.

Kane snd Toews are UFAs this year and money owed is about half ehat Henrique is this year.
thst extra year of salary will hurt his value significantly. Next season as a UFAto be you might get back a 2nd if he’s doing well.
The Leafs do thanks to LTIR

so does Vegas
 

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Henrique seems like an ideal winger for one of Hughes or Barzal. Vast improvement in the faceoff dot if you let him take over the bulk of the faceoff duties, and obviously proven as a scorer.


Looks like Horvat (56.1%) is centering Barzal now. Erik Haula (56.0%) got more time than he should have on Hughes' wing this year so he could take the draws. Wouldn't mind Henrique with Hughes but that might be more of an offseason conversation when Haula's deal is up.
 

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