Value of: Adam Henrique at 50% retained

[Arthuros]

Would the 1st be enough on its own, or what grade of prospect would be attached to it? And if a 1st isn't available, is there another asset that would be acceptable?

Also, assuming retention, can Anaheim take back expiring contracts?

Personally I would take a B-level forward prospect alongside the 1st for half off Henrique and us taking a contract back. Not sure if you have many of those...

 

[lwvs84]

I'd love to get Henrique, but I'm having a hard time judging what fair value would be. What are Ducks fans really looking for in a return? What prospect positions are areas of need?

The prospect position is a really tough question. The Ducks need high end talent at every position (who doesn't?) but Henrique isn't worth a future top line/top pair guy. They have depth prospects everywhere, but the weakest might be guys that can compliment Z/McTavish? There is a long line of young D headlined by Drysdale, Minty, and Zellweger. Zegras/McTavish/Lundestrom have the future top 3 center spots looking solid and Ducks have Groulx and Gaucher coming up too. Offensive wingers are a lot more iffy... Comtois isn't showing what he did a couple years ago, Tracey and Perrault aren't doing great on a terrible San Diego team, and Pastujov while promising isn't a sure fire bet to make the NHL. Beyond Terry, there isn't much of guaranteed support in the top 6... so adding a guy that has a chance to do that would be the biggest need for a prospect.

The 1st allows the Ducks to try to go for someone that might be a sleeper with higher upside than a prospect they could trade for. The older a prospect gets, the easier it is to see what they will become so it's less likely they are able to trade for a guy with high upside.

 

[Static]

With the Tarasenko Trade
Tatasenko = sniper - key pp player - last year contract
Mikkola = # 5 -#6 Def - 26 year old - last year contract
For
1st 2023 draft pick (Between 26 to 31)
4th draft pick
Sammy blais = bottom 6 player last year contract
Skinner = 21 year old def (ECHL most part of time)

For me Mikkola worth a 4th and 1/4 of blais
So tarasenko worth 1st + 3/4 of blais

SO for Henrique @ 50% for this year + 1 more
It worth less than Tarasenko package.
My guess a 3rd round pick + A prospect C not more

 

[Homesick]

Oilers 1st and Puljujarvi for Henrique @ 50%

Draisaitl-McDavid-Kane
Hyman-Henrique-Yamamoto
Kostin-RNH-Janmark
Foegele-McLeod-Holloway

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Oilers 1st and Puljujarvi for Henrique @ 50%

Draisaitl-McDavid-Kane
Hyman-Henrique-Yamamoto
Kostin-RNH-Janmark
Foegele-McLeod-Holloway

Id do that personally

 

[HuGort]

He's having good seasons, 20 goals. Could be one of those sleeper trades

 

[Hey234]

Oilers 1st and Puljujarvi for Henrique @ 50%

Draisaitl-McDavid-Kane
Hyman-Henrique-Yamamoto
Kostin-RNH-Janmark
Foegele-McLeod-Holloway

Not enough. The 1st will be low and the Ducks should be able to get the 1st+ for Henrique @ 50%. Taking Puljujarvi who is rumored to go on waivers would be equal to a cap dump.

 

[Sean Garrity]

He's having good seasons, 20 goals. Could be one of those sleeper trades

Teams that miss out on the premier options should certainly be interested in him. I'm not sure if him not being a rental makes him more or less valuable, but the Ducks should be able to retain to maximize the return.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Based on tanks return from the Leafs id offer
2023 1st + Robertson + 2023 3rd (Ottawa) + kerfoot.
For
Henrique @ 50% retained + comtois @ 50% retained.

Henrique has less value then Tank and comtois has similar value to Mikkola. So the Leafs pay a bit extra for retention for both ducks.

 

[gilfaizon]

Based on tanks return from the Leafs id offer
2023 1st + Robertson + 2023 3rd (Ottawa) + kerfoot.
For
Henrique @ 50% retained + comtois @ 50% retained.

Henrique has less value then Tank and comtois has similar value to Mikkola. So the Leafs pay a bit extra for retention for both ducks.

Would much prefer Knies to the 1st or Robertson. Seems light either way considering retention and taking back Kerfoot.

 

[Hockey 4 Life]

Would much prefer Knies to the 1st or Robertson. Seems light either way considering retention and taking back Kerfoot.

Your not getting knies so you can end it right there. This package accurately reflects the value of both players at 50% retained. No one is trading a high end prospect for either duck players.

 

[Gliff]

Would much prefer Knies to the 1st or Robertson. Seems light either way considering retention and taking back Kerfoot.

Knies isn’t going to be moved for a trade like this.

 

[Leonardo87]

Devils fan. Curious if Anaheim would consider moving Terry and Henrique for a Meier type of return.

Sorry if I’m way off on value, I don’t watch Anaheim closely but NJ badly needs a center and I’m wondering if both wing and center can be addressed for Meier’s price.

Would say Zegras, Terry, McTavish and Drysdale are untouchables for the Ducks.

As per Henrique , really don’t see them moving him unless the return is substantial.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Would much prefer Knies to the 1st or Robertson. Seems light either way considering retention and taking back Kerfoot.

They arnt moving knies for anything we are offering there

 

[dracom]

Based on tanks return from the Leafs id offer
2023 1st + Robertson + 2023 3rd (Ottawa) + kerfoot.
For
Henrique @ 50% retained + comtois @ 50% retained.

Henrique has less value then Tank and comtois has similar value to Mikkola. So the Leafs pay a bit extra for retention for both ducks.

don't really like this from the Ducks pov. retaining and taking a cap dump back and the best thing we get back is an injury prone prospect? no thanks. we have enough bad luck with taking back injury prone players in trades, not really interested in another one.

 

[gilfaizon]

don't really like this from the Ducks pov. retaining and taking a cap dump back and the best thing we get back is an injury prone prospect? no thanks. we have enough bad luck with taking back injury prone players in trades, not really interested in another one.

Exactly. If we aren't getting Knies, then there is no need to help Toronto.

 

[Gliff]

Exactly. If we aren't getting Knies, then there is no need to help Toronto.

That’s absurd. There is no way they would move him, and I don’t blame them at all. I wouldn’t trade one of our top prospects in a move like this either if we were in their position.

There are a ton of other assets they could give that would make the trade doable.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Exactly. If we aren't getting Knies, then there is no need to help Toronto.

Lol come on man….

Based on tanks return from the Leafs id offer
2023 1st + Robertson + 2023 3rd (Ottawa) + kerfoot.
For
Henrique @ 50% retained + comtois @ 50% retained.

Henrique has less value then Tank and comtois has similar value to Mikkola. So the Leafs pay a bit extra for retention for both ducks.

Okay I don’t mind the basis , but I wouldn’t want to use a retention on comtois, is that still doable for Toronto. Same idea essentially just no retention on comtois, as I’d rather save the retention slots for klingberg and to flip kerfoot

Henrique at 50%
Comtois

For
Robertson
1st in 23
Kerfoot
3rd in 23

That gives us the ability to shop kerfoot at 50% to a team like NJ, Colorado, Edmonton etc

 

[Fogelhund]

Would much prefer Knies to the 1st or Robertson. Seems light either way considering retention and taking back Kerfoot.

At the deadline, Kerfoot is owed $170k in actual salary. It's small potatoes.

As a Leafs fan, I'm quite interested in Comtois and Henrique. Comtois badly needs a change of scenery, and I don't see any future with him and the Ducks org... so might as well get some value now.

Lol come on man….


Okay I don’t mind the basis , but I wouldn’t want to use a retention on comtois, is that still doable for Toronto. Same idea essentially just no retention on comtois, as I’d rather save the retention slots for klingberg and to flip kerfoot

Henrique at 50%
Comtois

For
Robertson
1st in 23
Kerfoot
3rd in 23

That gives us the ability to shop kerfoot at 50% to a team like NJ, Colorado, Edmonton etc

Send me the paperwork... I'm good with that.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

At the deadline, Kerfoot is owed $170k in actual salary. It's small potatoes.

As a Leafs fan, I'm quite interested in Comtois and Henrique. Comtois badly needs a change of scenery, and I don't see any future with him and the Ducks org... so might as well get some value now.



Send me the paperwork... I'm good with that.

Agree bout comtois, unfortunately cause I do think he still has some upside.

If Henrique isn’t a long term ducks player it’s better asset management to sell higher on him.

I think there would be a late market on kerfoot at 50% (teams that miss out on horvat, Henrique, Meier). I could see it bringing back a 2nd tbh so essentially we’re getting

Robertson 1st 2nd 3rd and some cap space we wernt going to use next year. For a player that will be too old by the time we’re good and a player that just hasn’t fit w/ team and coach

Would much prefer Knies to the 1st or Robertson. Seems light either way considering retention and taking back Kerfoot.

You flip kerfoot at 50 after the trade… he’ll bring back a decent asset

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Devils fan. Curious if Anaheim would consider moving Terry and Henrique for a Meier type of return.

Sorry if I’m way off on value, I don’t watch Anaheim closely but NJ badly needs a center and I’m wondering if both wing and center can be addressed for Meier’s price.

I have to imagine terry is part of our core. Depending how draft goes this year we should be adding a forward which likely means 1 of zegras/mctavish / this years pick is going to the wing.


We’re pretty weak w/ wingers.
Tracey perreault pastujov and colangelo still havnt showed enough.

Idk what it would take for me to want to move terry, but I doubt any team would want to pay it

 

[gilfaizon]

At the deadline, Kerfoot is owed $170k in actual salary. It's small potatoes.

As a Leafs fan, I'm quite interested in Comtois and Henrique. Comtois badly needs a change of scenery, and I don't see any future with him and the Ducks org... so might as well get some value now.



Send me the paperwork... I'm good with that.

Because its light. Dubas has a gun to his head and needs to get creative. Based on what we've seen from PV so far, he is not in the business of helping teams out of the messes they create.

Agree bout comtois, unfortunately cause I do think he still has some upside.

If Henrique isn’t a long term ducks player it’s better asset management to sell higher on him.

I think there would be a late market on kerfoot at 50% (teams that miss out on horvat, Henrique, Meier). I could see it bringing back a 2nd tbh so essentially we’re getting

Robertson 1st 2nd 3rd and some cap space we wernt going to use next year. For a player that will be too old by the time we’re good and a player that just hasn’t fit w/ team and coach


You flip kerfoot at 50 after the trade… he’ll bring back a decent asset

Hilarious. Keep in mind the three retention slots. Henrique and Klingberg are two already, Kulikov/Shattenkirk is potentially another. Put your controller down.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

At the deadline, Kerfoot is owed $170k in actual salary. It's small potatoes.

I was about to post the same thing. Taking on Kerfoot isn't much of a burden at all, certainly not enough of a burden to add any substantial cost to a proposed deal.

 

[Fogelhund]

Because its light. Dubas has a gun to his head and needs to get creative. Based on what we've seen from PV so far, he is not in the business of helping teams out of the messes they create.

Helping out teams of the messes they create?

That's a weird take. He's in the business of helping his own team. It's a decent haul for the assets. If you retain on Kerfoot and get a 2nd from someone... do you really believe that current play Klingberg is going to return more? How many teams do you really think are looking at Klingberg ,and his terrible defensive play, and saying... that's the guy we need to get over the edge?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Because its light. Dubas has a gun to his head and needs to get creative. Based on what we've seen from PV so far, he is not in the business of helping teams out of the messes they create.




Hilarious. Keep in mind the three retention slots. Henrique and Klingberg are two already, Kulikov/Shattenkirk is potentially another. Put your controller down.

I’d rather use them on kling and kerfoot…. Kulikov even retained gets us what a 5th?

And from what was reported it sounds like we’re trying to bring shatt back.

Put your controller down is such a childish response. But sure keep expecting knies like prospect in a Henrique trade…. That’s realistic