Value of: Adam Henrique at 50% retained

[John Mandalorian]

My point is that; (i) the only teams that should be interested in Henrique are cup contending teams with low first round picks; (ii) as such, higher first round picks from non-contenders are not relevant in this discussion and should be ignored; and (iii) some people here are overvaluing those low first round picks, which are the only ones that are relevant to this thread.

That's what you've said already. But it's not necessary to complain about which half of the first round the 1sts will be. That's a given.

Are people overvaluing 1sts or are you going too far in valuing him something close to Giroux? Keep in mind, the appeal of Henrique is cost relative to other options. I think the extra year appeals to some but not everyone agrees.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

he isn’t a player you give up a 1st for….evrn st 50%.

on a good team he isn’t a top 6 or evrn top 9 player.

then that extra year in this tight cap world scare off teams even more.

Bullshit.


I'd be thrilled to get Henrique at 50% for 2 playoff runs and would absolutely give up a 1st round pick to get him.

He's a very good middle 6 Center.

 

[JlindiesANA]

It makes no sense to start clearing a potential log jam by moving a 21 year old who happens to be the only one of the bunch who has played in the NHL.

Drysdale only gets moved if there happens to be an opportunity to acquire a young star player. He's not someone who would be actively shopped around and it's really dumb to double down on thinking otherwise. Spamming crap like this is part of why your last five accounts were banned.

Don't use my post to try and back up your stupidity.

Apparently you haven’t seen the market. Buffalo offered Quinn plus a 24’ first with conditions which you didn’t recognize.

Quinn would make sense with Zegras and Terry. He can crash the net like no one’s business.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Apparently you haven’t seen the market. Buffalo offered Quinn plus a 24’ first with conditions which you didn’t recognize.

Quinn would make sense with Zegras and Terry. He can crash the net like no one’s business.

Where is your source on that? Are you confusing fan discussions with reality again?

The offers you see floating around twitter, here and in your head, are not real offers.

 

[Static]

Apparently you haven’t seen the market. Buffalo offered Quinn plus a 24’ first with conditions which you didn’t recognize.

Quinn would make sense with Zegras and Terry. He can crash the net like no one’s business.

 

[JlindiesANA]

Where is your source on that? Are you confusing fan discussions with reality again?

The offers you see floating around twitter, here and in your head, are not real offers.

It’s fan discussion. This is a Internet forum. Everyone here has discussed trade talk for days leading up to the deadline in March. Am I suppose to get Lebrun? That’s what was offered by Buffalo fans. And what we have been discussing.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

It’s fan discussion. This is a Internet forum. Everyone here has discussed trade talk for days leading up to the deadline in March. Am I suppose to get Lebrun? That’s what was offered by Buffalo fans. And what we have been discussing.

Posting false rumors is against the rules, maybe that's why you are on your sixth account here Ducksgo

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

he isn’t a player you give up a 1st for….evrn st 50%.

on a good team he isn’t a top 6 or evrn top 9 player.

then that extra year in this tight cap world scare off teams even more.

Are these just terrible takes leftover from the eichel trade threads lol

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Why is Anaheim taking a second and Foote? Anaheim has plenty of money to sign someone similar. Anaheim doesn’t need that second and Foote handicap. And then also asking us to retain? Wow….

First and he’s theirs at 50% retention. That’s what the starting conversation should be imo.

Not trying to criticize, but Anaheim has no interest in Foote just for a simple second. Henrique can goto another team.

Because the team may like a guy like foot…. We’re going to have high end talent on the roster, we’re going to need depth pieces and complement pieces to go around those. Foote could potentially provide that.

If there isn’t a 1st on the market for Henrique(which could be a possibility). A 2nd certainly helps us in a rebuild, this should be the year we look to trade picks and move up draft position or look for cap casualties to use picks for (example the Devon toews trade).

 

[Gliff]

he isn’t a player you give up a 1st for….evrn st 50%.

on a good team he isn’t a top 6 or evrn top 9 player.

then that extra year in this tight cap world scare off teams even more.

I’m sorry but you are just clueless to who he is if you think he wouldn’t be a top 9 player on a good team. He was on pace for 60 points last year and is on pace for about 30 goals this year on the worst offense in the NHL.

You’re crazy if you think he wouldn’t be atleast a top 9 player.

 

[duckpuck]

he isn’t a player you give up a 1st for….evrn st 50%.

on a good team he isn’t a top 6 or evrn top 9 player.

then that extra year in this tight cap world scare off teams even more.

If your valuation of him was correct (not even a top 9 player), then I agree he's not worth a first. But I think that's a bizarre valuation/assessment of Henrique and where he plays on a contending team. He's a productive middle 6 forward who can play anywhere in the lineup and in lots of situations including PK and brings strong leadership intangibles. Super valuable to a cup contending team where depth is a huge factor with the only downside being his cap hit, which the ducks can address through retention or taking back salary.

That's what you've said already. But it's not necessary to complain about which half of the first round the 1sts will be. That's a given.

Are people overvaluing 1sts or are you going too far in valuing him something close to Giroux? Keep in mind, the appeal of Henrique is cost relative to other options. I think the extra year appeals to some but not everyone agrees.

In terms of the bolded, maybe that was a "given" for you, but not for lots of others. And its wasn't a complaint, but rather pointing out the value (or overvaluing) of a low first round pick.

And I have no idea how you're concluding I or anyone else is valuing Henrique "something close" to Giroux. Ignoring for now that Giroux had a full NMC and was a pure rental, and is older, Giroux (with retention) returned a 2024 or 2025 first (which right now might be higher than expected), a third and a pretty decent NHL ready prospect (Tippett). That's a lot more than a low first which is the ask for Henrique (with 1.5 years of retention).

 

[JlindiesANA]

Because the team may like a guy like foot…. We’re going to have high end talent on the roster, we’re going to need depth pieces and complement pieces to go around those. Foote could potentially provide that.

If there isn’t a 1st on the market for Henrique(which could be a possibility). A 2nd certainly helps us in a rebuild, this should be the year we look to trade picks and move up draft position or look for cap casualties to use picks for (example the Devon toews trade).

What’s your end game plan? That’s four second round picks. And likely more with Shattenkirk and Klingberg.

Do you want Anaheim drafting the entire second round? Or are you planning to use them to move up.

And I didn’t mean to reiterate, but what’s your final position in this draft. Just give me a perspective.

For instance, I’m gonna trade all second round picks for Brayden Yager at the six spot

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

What’s your end game plan? That’s four second round picks. And likely more with Shattenkirk and Klingberg.

Do you want Anaheim drafting the entire second round? Or are you planning to use them to move up.

And I didn’t mean to reiterate, but what’s your final position in this draft. Just give me a perspective.

For instance, I’m gonna trade all second round picks for Brayden Yager at the six spot

Have as many assets as possible to trade up picks and/or trade for cap casualties.

Henrique holds no value to us down the line.

 

[JlindiesANA]

Have as many assets as possible to trade up picks and/or trade for cap casualties.

Henrique holds no value to us down the line.

We’re on same page then. I want to move up also.

 

[Homesick]

I'd be on board for Henrique(50%) for a 2023 1st and Puljujarvi.

Hyman-McDavid-Holloway
Kane-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
RNH-Henrique-Kostin
Foegele-Ryan-Janmark

I don't see the Oilers making a change on the backend unless a serious upgrade that no one saw coming becomes available.
Unless an injury or Brouberg/Bouchard can't hold it together(which I'm not confident of)

 

[quietbruinfan]

I can see Boston being interested if Toews does not happen, but much more likely in the off-season.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I'd be on board for Henrique(50%) for a 2023 1st and Puljujarvi.

Hyman-McDavid-Holloway
Kane-Draisaitl-Yamamoto
RNH-Henrique-Kostin
Foegele-Ryan-Janmark

I don't see the Oilers making a change on the backend unless a serious upgrade that no one saw coming becomes available.
Unless an injury or Brouberg/Bouchard can't hold it together(which I'm not confident of)

That's some really solid looking depth. Nuge and Rico would find themselves some pretty favorable matchups as third line.

 

[Homesick]

That's some really solid looking depth. Nuge and Rico would find themselves some pretty favorable matchups as third line.

Or a nuclear top 6

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't think it's a good idea to trade for him for an above average 3C role and have plans to play him in a defensive role.

 

[Unsustainable]

I could see the Canes being interested

 

[Doothpick]

I could see the Canes being interested

I think that could be a great fit. Any interesting prospects Canes might be willing to give up?

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I could see the Canes being interested

The Ducks could use a prospect with a nickname like "Boom"

 

[Unsustainable]

The Ducks could use a prospect with a nickname like "Boom"

Everyone wants Boom, but I think he’s more likely used for Meier if those rumblings are happening.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Everyone wants Boom, but I think he’s more likely used for Meier if those rumblings are happening.

Everyone should

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We’re on same page then. I want to move up also.

No you are talking bout trading drysdale for scraps

Everyone wants Boom, but I think he’s more likely used for Meier if those rumblings are happening.

Carolina was a team i could see being interested if they miss out on a bigger name