Hunter Gathers
The Crown
As long as he stays healthy and continues his high level of play, Adam Fox will go down as the best Rangers defenseman when all is said and done.
That is quite a bar and would outright require a second Norris.As long as he stays healthy and continues his high level of play, Adam Fox will go down as the best Rangers defenseman when all is said and done.
It would require more than a second NorrisThat is quite a bar and would outright require a second Norris.
I don't know if you can compare careers based on one Conn Smythe run but if it's close, you give the guy that has one the nod.It would require more than a second Norris
A Cup (or three) and a Conn Smythe.
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I have cards of Fox and several other top defensemen.
He's the best defenseman in the league.
Imagine being as mid as Miro Heiskanen. That's so sad.
True but a more accurate representation of what he's doing offensively would be like 125 instead of 99.Really hate that Karlsson is going to win purely based on offensive output. He's not even average defensively, he's god awful
True but a more accurate representation of what he's doing offensively would be like 125 instead of 99.
He's going to have 100 points on a lottery team. I have no problem giving out a Norris for the best offensive season the position has ever seen.
Really goes to show how much Lindholm struggled in Eakins system. Cannot wait till he is gone. That team is a mess on defense.View attachment 681066
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I have cards of Fox and several other top defensemen.
He's the best defenseman in the league.
Imagine being as mid as Miro Heiskanen. That's so sad.
It's crazy. They were in such great shape and then totally screwed the pooch. Imagine them with Theodore and Lindholm still on their team. +Fowler +Drysdale + Zellweger next year +Mintyukov down the road.Really goes to show how much Lindholm struggled in Eakins system. Cannot wait till he is gone. That team is a mess on defense.
It's crazy. They were in such great shape and then totally screwed the pooch. Imagine them with Theodore and Lindholm still on their team. +Fowler +Drysdale + Zellweger next year +Mintyukov down the road.
I think he's going to retire as a top 3 Ranger period barring injury. That's how good he is already and his game is perfect to age well.He will very likely surpass Howell, Park, Greschner, Patrick.
But not Leetch unless he wins several more big trophies.
I would be shocked if he doesn't win at least another Norris.That is quite a bar and would outright require a second Norris.
Machinehead......I'm GOBSMACKED ! The best offensive season the position has ever seen ?????True but a more accurate representation of what he's doing offensively would be like 125 instead of 99.
He's going to have 100 points on a lottery team. I have no problem giving out a Norris for the best offensive season the position has ever seen.
Paul Coffey had some big offensive yearsMachinehead......I'm GOBSMACKED ! The best offensive season the postition has ever seen ?????
Let me tell you a story about a man named Jed.......oops wrong story.
It all begin in the small Ontario town of Parry Sound on Mar. 20,1948 when Doug and Arva Orr welcomed Robert Gordon into the world. Known as Bobby he was a sick baby at birth and his survival was tenuous. He displayed his hockey talent at an early age playing his first organised hockey at the age of 5.
Oh wait this could take too long. Lets jump ahead a bit.
In 1969-70 he bacame the first and to this day over 50 years later the only defenceman to win the Art Ross Trophy as the NHL's leading scorer with Defenceman SHATTERING RECORDS for GOALS, ASSISTS,and POINTS with 33G 87A. 120 pts. Phil Esposito(who benefited being Orr's teammate) was 2nd with 99 . THE 2ND PLACE DEFENCEMAN HAD 44 POINTS . ORR HAD ALMOST 3 TIMES THE POINTS AS THE 2ND PLACE DEFENCEMAN !!!
In 1970-71 with 37G 102 A 139 points he would break his own records for a defenceman . The assists and points records still stand today over 50 years later even despite there being an over decade long era of substanially higher points scoring.
In 1974-75 he again won the Art Ross trophy and broke his goal scoring record with 46.
HE REVOLUTIONIZED THE GAME OF HOCKEY !
Prior to ORR the Bruins had sat in the basement of the league for several years.
When average scoring in an NHL game was 8 pts. compared to 6 for Orr.Paul Coffey had some big offensive years
Last year Roman Josi scored the most points in a season for a defenseman since I believe Housley in the early 90's.As long as he stays healthy and continues his high level of play, Adam Fox will go down as the best Rangers defenseman when all is said and done.
he would probably have the second Norris locked up by now if this wasn't the case. nobody else has such a big gap above GAR and xGAR as he doesOur finishing with Fox on the ice is dog ass. He should have 80 points.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a player more overrated than this guy by hockey media.If Makar is the best defenseman since Orr, does that make Fox the best player since Gretzky?
fixedhe’s descended from heaven
I would be shocked if he doesn't win at least another Norris.
Counter argument is that Leetch wasn't nearly as good a defender as Fox.Last year Roman Josi scored the most points in a season for a defenseman since I believe Housley in the early 90's.
Fox is good. But let's not go overboard here. Leetch scored over 1000 career points playing through the dead-puck era. Over 900 of those as a Ranger. He scored over 100 points in a season. Fox will never beat Leetch. Leetch flat out dominated games with his skating, skills, and vision. Fox is nowhere near the skater Leetch was. Leetch scored 34 points in the 1994 playoffs, 3 shy of the NHL record. That was in 23 games. Fox played 20 playoff games last year and scored 23 points. 11 more points in only 3 extra games by Leetch. 89 career playoff points. That's while being held back by garbage Rangers teams that missed the playoffs for 7 seasons.